WA - Civil rights activist Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black, parents say #1

[Cubby]

That's great that she wants racial equity and all but c'mon - Spokane is whiter than white. You'd think she would have taken her crusade to Baltimore or places where, well black folks actually live.

But to pass yourself off as black when you are in fact very white and try and fool people with a tan and weave is just despicable. There are many black folks who act white and vice versa but to go so far as to claim to be something you are not is just sad.

And then to get caught and start side stepping questions and pretending like you're not a liar is pretty silly.

BBM. This didn't happen because she wouldn't have been able to BS black people in a community more diverse than the whiter than white area's she chose. She would have been booted out the door and onto her behind within 10 minutes of walking in with her ridiculous claims.

 

[kimi_SFC]

"The report concluded that Dolezal violated workplace harassment policy, revealed confidential information about police misconduct cases, and exhibited open bias against police."

http://nwpr.org/post/investigation-finds-dolezal-engaged-harassment-bias-citizen-panel

Thank you for this jjenny!

Here's the direct link to the segment from the Northwest Public Radio broadcast, for those who'd like to listen.

http://cpa.ds.npr.org/northwestnews/audio/2015/06/061715JR_Misconduct_web.mp3



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[otto]

There are some "fakers" who claimed to have survived holocaust. Similar to Tania Head that wasn't even in US on 911 but pretended she was in the tower.
Maybe that's what was meant by the comment.

"His memoir was hailed as a classic of Holocaust literature. There were prizes and breathless reviews. But one Swiss journalist smelt a rat and after months of whispers Binjamin Wilkomirski's book was yesterday withdrawn by his German publishers. Fiachra Gibbons and Stephen Moss unravel one of the great literary deceptions."
http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/oct/15/features11.g24

One of the first imposters I read about was a woman who claimed to be Anastasia Romanov: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Anna_Anderson
Jerzy Kosinski was famous until he was revealed as having lied and plagiarized The Painted Bird. When revealed, he committed suicide: http://www.artsandopinion.com/2007_v6_n6/routh-3.htm

 

[otto]

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She has got more issues than TV Guide!
She is a fraud and did a disservice to the women she attempted to be.

I finally understand orange being the new black ... I just needed a visual!

 

[EllieBee]

I'm thinking about it. There is identity and then there is deception. RD is a liar. She never identified internally as black. Not like transgendered persons. We know that because she sued Howard U for racial discrimination based on being WHITE. Not on being black or transracial. And people who identity with a gender or "race", culture, whatever, can simply claim it and adopt it. They don't need to lie about who their parents are or how they've been oppressed, or their history, or abuse they've suffered, etc.

But this woman has done all of that and much more. She's a liar who has intentionally hurt people through her lies and desire to be seen as a victim. I'm not sure why people keep tryin to compare this to being transgendered. Totally different. In fact, it would be different if she WAS actually "transracial" (a phenomena some have felt necessary to create). But she's not. She's just a liar. A likely very personality disordered liar who makes things up to feel important or get attention.

That's it.

I think you need to re-read my post.

I said RD was wrong, but that I do believe there are people who identify strongly, even needfully with a "race" to which they were not assigned.

I just cannot call "hogwash" on this because I do not know what it is to live it. And in my lifetime I have seen homosexuality called a mental illness and transgenderedpeople called freaks.

I am not ready to say that people who identify with a culture they are not "born" to are not as worthy of consideration as others who have had to make us aware of their struggle.

Plus, jeebus, it shouldn't be a big deal if Beyonce wants to be blonde or if I want to tan. Why would anyone care?

But yes, RD attempted and succeeded in defrauding people by claiming she WAS something other and claimed to have shouldered those struggles rather than just stating she prefers the look and culture of black America. She has probably caused a great deal more harm than we even know as yet.

 

[EllieBee]

I finally understand orange being the new black ... I just needed a visual!

Ugh,ORANGE!

We used to have a weather bunny here on our local news. She was very blonde (so am I -not busting on the bleach) and erm, "enhanced" (that is fine, too-wish I had the $$) and she was so spray-tan orange it hurt your first-thing-before-coffee-eyes. She was so wooden and oompah loompah I had to stop turning on my tv morning weather. It was awful.

Of course now she is on CNN. Because, yeah. True story. Name rhymes with Bennifer Bray.

 

[K_Z]

 

[EllieBee]

I'm encouraging my children to be open and come out with their secret transracial identity. Especially when applying for colleges and scholarships. And we've never had DNA tests done, so who knows whose kids they really are.

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Ha ha! They are probably human. Since biologically speaking, we are all one race. And for those who claim to be one color "race", they are often surprised that they have DNA from a place they never reckoned! Interesting stuff.

But ancestoral DNA might show ethnicity. . And that also may surprisesome folks.

I have posted before that my DD is often mistaken for being biracial (black/white).

She is (as far as WE know, lol) of Anglo Mutt mix and Italian/Greek/German heritage. And both of her parents blonde, blue-eyed with light skin that tans well. DD has light-med brown, very curly, thick hair that dreads on it's own if not groomed daily. And although she has very blue eyes, her skin is turns brown very easily. Even with sunblock. She is very athletic and spends much time outdoors. So she is very cafe au lait.

But she isn't trying to Ain't Jemima. It is not her fault people ask her if she is bi-racial. She is just who she is. I cannot imagine how hurtful it would be for her if someone accused her of trying to look "black".

She is who she is. And if she wanted to straighten her hair and dye it pink, well, fine. If she wanted to dye it black and have bantu knots, well, fine.

Why is it such a horrible thing to look like one another? We are all people.

And again, I am NOT definding RD. I just am not digging the comments about what people are "supposed" to look like.

 

[EllieBee]

Wow. Incredible. So he's going to win that case I think!

Oh and from your second link:

It doesn't get much whiter than that family.

Maybe this guy...


Nope. He is black.

 

[gitana1]

And what kind of example has she is setting for the children she is raising (her brother) and her own son?

Even her son ( I don't know if they call her brother or her actual son "Dolezal's son") was involved in making a complaint, claimed somebody yelled at him in the store, using racial slur, making him so scared he had to run home, knocking over wine bottles.
Turned out nothing like this happened, he (or his friend) was playing with a ball and knocked over some bottles (as shown on security video).
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/16/us/document-rachel-dolezal-cases.html?_r=0

That's the crazy thing. What does this do to her son's self-concept, his feelings about the world around him, himself, his mother? It's horrible.

"The report concluded that Dolezal violated workplace harassment policy, revealed confidential information about police misconduct cases, and exhibited open bias against police."

http://nwpr.org/post/investigation-finds-dolezal-engaged-harassment-bias-citizen-panel

And then there's this!

I think you need to re-read my post.

I said RD was wrong, but that I do believe there are people who identify strongly, even needfully with a "race" to which they were not assigned.

I just cannot call "hogwash" on this because I do not know what it is to live it. And in my lifetime I have seen homosexuality called a mental illness and transgenderedpeople called freaks.

I am not ready to say that people who identify with a culture they are not "born" to are not as worthy of consideration as others who have had to make us aware of their struggle.

Plus, jeebus, it shouldn't be a big deal if Beyonce wants to be blonde or if I want to tan. Why would anyone care?

But yes, RD attempted and succeeded in defrauding people by claiming she WAS something other and claimed to have shouldered those struggles rather than just stating she prefers the look and culture of black America. She has probably caused a great deal more harm than we even know as yet.

Nope. I read your post quite clearly. In my profession, you sort of have to be able to read and understand thoroughly. You keep bringing up "transracialism" when there is a) Zero proof that it has anything to do with this case. b) Zero proof that it is a phenomena that exists at all.

The term applies to kids who were adopted by someone from a vastly different ethnicity than their own.

Yes, trans persons have been marginalized and perceived as mentally ill for centuries. But they've existed at least since antiquity. In numbers that are not insignificant. I have never heard of one case of a person who believes themselves to be of an ethnic background they are not AND AT THE SAME TIME, believe that they were "born into the wrong race", which would be the only parallel to a transgendered person.

The only people I have heard of who believe themselves to be a different ethnic background than they are are people who were lied to about their heritage.

Transgender person =
1. Believes they are a different gender than that assigned to them at birth (usually defined by their biologic sex)
2. Believes they were born into the wrong body and that their brains are one gender while their bodies are associated with what is typically, the sex that isn't supposed to match their gender.
3. Lives as the opposite "sex" and claims a different gender from what was assigned to them at birth.
4. Has felt that way since very early childhood.

People who identify with a different heritage and assume the culture (not "transracial" as there is no such thing in the way you are using it):
1. Are attracted to a different heritage than their own, but know their own ethnicity
2. Know they were born into a certain culture or with a certain heritage, but feel a strong connection with a different culture or ethnic background.
3. May assume the lifestyle or cultural attributes of a different culture/ethnicity than the one they were born to.
4. May begin to feel an affinity with a different culture or identify strongly with it and claim it as their own, at ANY age.

The only characteristic of a person who claims an ethnicity different from their own, that is in any way similar to a transgendered person, would be number 3.

There is zero evidence of anyone outside of people who have been lied to or misled about their backgrounds, who was born (or shortly thereafter began) identifying as a different "race" except the fictional Zelig. And even for him it did not start until adulthood!

So I'm going to move on now.

 

[gitana1]

Maybe this guy...
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Nope. He is black.

Nope. His eyebrow and head hair color and facial features are not the same as RD and her brother. Skin is not as pale either.

 

[Nova]

One of the first imposters I read about was a woman who claimed to be Anastasia Romanov: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Anna_Anderson
Jerzy Kosinski was famous until he was revealed as having lied and plagiarized The Painted Bird. When revealed, he committed suicide: http://www.artsandopinion.com/2007_v6_n6/routh-3.htm

If you read the article at the second link, not even the article's author is sure THE PAINTED BIRD was plagiarized. That Kozinski lied about his childhood seems certain. But broadly calling Kozinski a "plagiarist" is to repeat claims the essayist can't confirm.

What's interesting to me about the article is that the autobiographical lie is considered a worse sin than any claim of artistic theft. Perhaps that's because the autobiographical lie is what can be categorically proven.

Or perhaps it says something about the Dolezal case: stealing is bad, but inauthenticity is a greater sin.

 

[nightwatch]

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I couldn't resist.

Oh this reminds me to record Saturday Night Live this week there may be a skit.

ciao

 

[Nova]

That's the crazy thing. What does this do to her son's self-concept, his feelings about the world around him, himself, his mother? It's horrible.



And then there's this!



Nope. I read your post quite clearly. In my profession, you sort of have to be able to read and understand thoroughly. You keep bringing up "transracialism" when there is a) Zero proof that it has anything to do with this case. b) Zero proof that it is a phenomena that exists at all.

The term applies to kids who were adopted by someone from a vastly different ethnicity than their own.

Yes, trans persons have been marginalized and perceived as mentally ill for centuries. But they've existed at least since antiquity. In numbers that are not insignificant. I have never heard of one case of a person who believes themselves to be of an ethnic background they are not AND AT THE SAME TIME, believe that they were "born into the wrong race", which would be the only parallel to a transgendered person.

The only people I have heard of who believe themselves to be a different ethnic background than they are are people who were lied to about their heritage.

Transgender person =
1. Believes they are a different gender than that assigned to them at birth (usually defined by their biologic sex)
2. Believes they were born into the wrong body and that their brains are one gender while their bodies are associated with what is typically, the sex that isn't supposed to match their gender.
3. Lives as the opposite "sex" and claims a different gender from what was assigned to them at birth.
4. Has felt that way since very early childhood.

People who identify with a different heritage and assume the culture (not "transracial" as there is no such thing in the way you are using it):
1. Are attracted to a different heritage than their own, but know their own ethnicity
2. Know they were born into a certain culture or with a certain heritage, but feel a strong connection with a different culture or ethnic background.
3. May assume the lifestyle or cultural attributes of a different culture/ethnicity than the one they were born to.
4. May begin to feel an affinity with a different culture or identify strongly with it and claim it as their own, at ANY age.

The only characteristic of a person who claims an ethnicity different from their own, that is in any way similar to a transgendered person, would be number 3.

There is zero evidence of anyone outside of people who have been lied to or misled about their backgrounds, who was born (or shortly thereafter began) identifying as a different "race" except the fictional Zelig. And even for him it did not start until adulthood!

So I'm going to move on now.

I don't know why everyone makes fun of lawyers. Without them, we might never sort out complex issues.

 

[EllieBee]

That's the crazy thing. What does this do to her son's self-concept, his feelings about the world around him, himself, his mother? It's horrible.



And then there's this!



Nope. I read your post quite clearly. In my profession, you sort of have to be able to read and understand thoroughly. You keep bringing up "transracialism" when there is a) Zero proof that it has anything to do with this case. b) Zero proof that it is a phenomena that exists at all.

The term applies to kids who were adopted by someone from a vastly different ethnicity than their own.

Yes, trans persons have been marginalized and perceived as mentally ill for centuries. But they've existed at least since antiquity. In numbers that are not insignificant. I have never heard of one case of a person who believes themselves to be of an ethnic background they are not AND AT THE SAME TIME, believe that they were "born into the wrong race", which would be the only parallel to a transgendered person.

The only people I have heard of who believe themselves to be a different ethnic background than they are are people who were lied to about their heritage.

Transgender person =
1. Believes they are a different gender than that assigned to them at birth (usually defined by their biologic sex)
2. Believes they were born into the wrong body and that their brains are one gender while their bodies are associated with what is typically, the sex that isn't supposed to match their gender.
3. Lives as the opposite "sex" and claims a different gender from what was assigned to them at birth.
4. Has felt that way since very early childhood.

People who identify with a different heritage and assume the culture (not "transracial" as there is no such thing in the way you are using it):
1. Are attracted to a different heritage than their own, but know their own ethnicity
2. Know they were born into a certain culture or with a certain heritage, but feel a strong connection with a different culture or ethnic background.
3. May assume the lifestyle or cultural attributes of a different culture/ethnicity than the one they were born to.
4. May begin to feel an affinity with a different culture or identify strongly with it and claim it as their own, at ANY age.

The only characteristic of a person who claims an ethnicity different from their own, that is in any way similar to a transgendered person, would be number 3.

There is zero evidence of anyone outside of people who have been lied to or misled about their backgrounds, who was born (or shortly thereafter began) identifying as a different "race" except the fictional Zelig. And even for him it did not start until adulthood!

So I'm going to move on now.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. .

I cannot just judge people as being poseurs because they want to dress or act a certain way.

The way the mainstream treated LGBTG folks until they were finally educated that "hey! It's okay!".

I am sure many well-meaning people touted "science" or the "bible" to back up their beliefs that certain people and their lifestyles and choices were wrong. Only now, those people look like ignorant, intolerant prigs.

I am NOT defending RD. I saying I don't see the problem with cultural appropriation as long as it is not under fraudulent circumstances. And I am not about to judge people for wanting fuller lips, thinner noses, darker skin, lighter hair, adopting different mannersof speech and dress.....

I just don't see why any person should not be allowed to look/dress/speak in a manner they admire or indentify with. Why are the race police allowed to tell people to act "black" or act "white".

Silliest thing ever.

But again, we just have to disagree on this. You obviously feel strongly about your views as do I about mine.

I'm a "live and let live" kind of gal.

 

[Nova]

Oh this reminds me to record Saturday Night Live this week there may be a skit.

ciao

It's summer time. SNL is showing reruns. Sorry.

 

[EllieBee]

Nope. His eyebrow and head hair color and facial features are not the same as RD and her brother. Skin is not as pale either.

I suppose you are right. Even if the guy were albino white I would imagine the Dolezals would be whiter, lol!

I thought the two pics were very similar. Thank you for "proving" me wrong!

 

[Nova]

We will have to agree to disagree on this. .

I cannot just judge people as being poseurs because they want to dress or act a certain way.

The way the mainstream treated LGBTG folks until they were finally educated that "hey! It's okay!".

I am sure many well-meaning people touted "science" or the "bible" to back up their beliefs that certain people and their lifestyles and choices were wrong. Only now, those people look like ignorant, intolerant prigs.

I am NOT defending RD. I saying I don't see the problem with cultural appropriation as long as it is not under fraudulent circumstances. And I am not about to judge people for wanting fuller lips, thinner noses, darker skin, lighter hair, adopting different mannersof speech and dress.....

I just don't see why any person should not be allowed to look/dress/speak in a manner they admire or indentify with. Why are the race police allowed to tell people to act "black" or act "white".

Silliest thing ever.

But again, we just have to disagree on this. You obviously feel strongly about your views as do I about mine.

I'm a "live and let live" kind of gal.

But is anyone saying Ms. D can't spray tan? I think the complaints concern her lies about her background, both personal and professional--not to mention the questionable claims that she is a victim of hate crimes.

I have a cousin who loves everything Scottish. She insisted her wedding party wear kilts and hasn't missed the annual Highland Games in decades! I have to admit I share some of her affinities (though I'm not traveling across country to watch folks toss telephone polls!) even though our ancestors have been in this country for two centuries!

But, as in gitana1's lists, my cousin doesn't claim she was born into the wrong culture; nor does she lie and tell people she was born in Edinburgh.

That said, elle, you are certainly right that some people seem to identify strongly with a race other than that into which they were born. The AA community even has slang terms for such people (wigga, Uncle Tom). But affinity, fondness for rap music, gangsta attitude, etc. are a far cry from a 5-year-old trying to amputate his own penis in order to "fix" his body.

 

[RickshawFan]

I think you need to re-read my post.

I said RD was wrong, but that I do believe there are people who identify strongly, even needfully with a "race" to which they were not assigned.

I just cannot call "hogwash" on this because I do not know what it is to live it. And in my lifetime I have seen homosexuality called a mental illness and transgenderedpeople called freaks.

I am not ready to say that people who identify with a culture they are not "born" to are not as worthy of consideration as others who have had to make us aware of their struggle.

Plus, jeebus, it shouldn't be a big deal if Beyonce wants to be blonde or if I want to tan. Why would anyone care?

But yes, RD attempted and succeeded in defrauding people by claiming she WAS something other and claimed to have shouldered those struggles rather than just stating she prefers the look and culture of black America. She has probably caused a great deal more harm than we even know as yet.

I can see that it would be very possible for a child raised among a different ethnic group to identify almost 100% with that group. Such a child might have very little social interaction with members of his/her own ethnic group. I don't believe this is rare. (On an interesting related topic, children raised by wolves, identify with wolves.) However, most young people these days, partly because of the more fluid boundaries between countries and regions as well as the fewer roles that are restricted by race (e.g. nannies), don't have that opportunity. And RD is certainly not in that category! She doesn't "identify": she masquerades. And she has no comparable story about how she grew up in another culture/ethnic group/race. She'd have had a story like this unless she liked the convenience of being able to select her race like an answer on a multiple choice test (a. white b. black c. biracial d. all of the above e. none of the above), and to erase her answer whenever and select another just because.

 

[RickshawFan]

I think you need to re-read my post.

I said RD was wrong, but that I do believe there are people who identify strongly, even needfully with a "race" to which they were not assigned.

I just cannot call "hogwash" on this because I do not know what it is to live it. And in my lifetime I have seen homosexuality called a mental illness and transgenderedpeople called freaks.

I am not ready to say that people who identify with a culture they are not "born" to are not as worthy of consideration as others who have had to make us aware of their struggle.

Plus, jeebus, it shouldn't be a big deal if Beyonce wants to be blonde or if I want to tan. Why would anyone care?

But yes, RD attempted and succeeded in defrauding people by claiming she WAS something other and claimed to have shouldered those struggles rather than just stating she prefers the look and culture of black America. She has probably caused a great deal more harm than we even know as yet.

I can see that it would be very possible for a child raised among a different ethnic group to identify almost 100% with that group. Such a child might have very little social interaction with members of his/her own ethnic group. I don't believe this is rare. (On an interesting related topic, children raised by wolves, identify with wolves.) However, most young people these days, partly because of the more fluid boundaries between countries and regions as well as the fewer roles that are restricted by race (e.g. nannies), don't have that opportunity. And RD is certainly not in that category! She doesn't "identify": she masquerades. And she has no comparable story about how she grew up in another culture/ethnic group/race. She'd have had a story like this unless she liked the convenience of being able to select her race like an answer on a multiple choice test (a. white b. black c. biracial d. all of the above e. none of the above), and to erase her answer whenever and select another just because.