WA - Four killed in Pilchuk High School shooting, Marysville, 24 Oct 2014

[PhantomAngel]

Why can't we figure out what makes kids do this?

 

[Frigga]

Fly high and free sweet Gia... gone way too soon.

I hope you didn't suffer.

 

[Isabelle]

Why can't we figure out what makes kids do this?

I would like to figure out why parents/people don't lock up their guns! If the shooters we have seen in rampages didn't have access to guns there would be a lower incidences of these attacks.

We have no children at home and manage to keep our guns under lock and key.

 

[Curious Guy]

Why can't we figure out what makes kids do this?

IMHO this kid had no coping skills and lots of pent up rage. He wasn't bullied he was just mad and vengeful. He had specific targets that had wronged him in his mind and he executed them.

I imagine he would have been a major threat to any perceived enemies in the future had he not shot his "friends".

He certainly gets no sympathy from me. I'll send all mine to his victims who by all accounts seem to be beautiful children.

JMHO

 

[hambirg]

Why can't we figure out what makes kids do this?

We need to be honest. It's not just kids, it's boys specifically. We are failing our sons.

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[Trino]

I would like to figure out why parents/people don't lock up their guns! If the shooters we have seen in rampages didn't have access to guns there would be a lower incidences of these attacks.

We have no children at home and manage to keep our guns under lock and key.

This is a teenager, not a child. A 14 yr old could easily figure out how to unlock and/or get a gun.

 

[MsMarple]

I'm watching kiro7 News. The very same reporter who tweeted confirmation of Gia's death just reported her as still being in critical condition - IOW, she reported on the 4 kids and said nothing about the FB post.

I'm not doubting that Gia's dead; what I'm saying is that I'm disappointed in the manner the shooting has been reported. I understand the parents' request for privacy but IMO this is absolutely the wrong way to go about disseminating news in our community. Holding back on updates keeps the rumor mill spinning, which serves no useful purpose - all it does is create confusion. It's reckless reporting and it lowers the credibility of our local news stations.

I don't have a Twitter account and I don't want one but I'm tempted to open one just so I can tell all the local news stations and the reporters how very disappointed I am in them.

 

[Trino]

I'm watching kiro7 News. The very same reporter who tweeted confirmation of Gia's death just reported her as still being in critical condition - IOW, she reported on the 4 kids and said nothing about the FB post.

I'm not doubting that Gia's dead; what I'm saying is that I'm disappointed in the manner the shooting has been reported. I understand the parents' request for privacy but IMO this is absolutely the wrong way to go about disseminating news in our community. Holding back on updates keeps the rumor mill spinning, which serves no useful purpose - all it does is create confusion. It's reckless reporting and it lowers the credibility of our local news stations.

I don't have a Twitter account and I don't want one but I'm tempted to open one just so I can tell all the local news stations and the reporters how very disappointed I am in them.

This is the Tulalip Nation. The are in charge of their community and the news. The local news stations and reporters are adhering to what the NA community wants.

 

[Rallibella]

If we're confused, imagine the kids.

 

[kalekona]

So you think they need help because they aren't lashing out at the shooter?
Many of the kids are family and a majority of them are members of the same tribe. They are protective of all involved and angry at strangers assuming they know better than those in the middle of this. They are showing unconditional love and compassion- My God they loved this kid as much as they loved his victims, they are dealing with loss on every front.
I personally believe these kids understand better than many adults that what Jaylen did was horrible but that it wasn't all of who he was.

Maybe observers are missing the fact that these kids were/are family and they can either pull together as a family or watch that family collapse from pointed fingers and blame.

This community is making sure these students and their families are cared for- they are having both tribal and community meetings addressing all of this in a united way.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Just in: mother of Gia Soriano confirms she was taken off life support. Bringing death toll #MarysvilleShooting to 3. @KIRO7Seattle

https://twitter.com/DeborahKIRO7

God Speed little one. No more pain sweet girl. :rose:

 

[possumheart]

How many bullets can this type of gun hold? I'm pretty sure there were six shots (6 students) but maybe more since one report had him either reloading or checking the gun because it may have misfired. Student witnesses said it was a small gun. I wonder who he chose to shoot first, a girl he was angry with or one of his cousins?

Twelve

This is the Tulalip Nation. The are in charge of their community and the news. The local news stations and reporters are adhering to what the NA community wants.

I find it fascinating. I understand that when the time comes to bury Jaylen, his tribe will all walk to his burial plot.

 

[Isabelle]

This is a teenager, not a child. A 14 yr old could easily figure out how to unlock and/or get a gun.

Not if they do not have access to the key or combination.

 

[kimi_SFC]

So you think they need help because they aren't lashing out at the shooter?
Many of the kids are family and a majority of them are members of the same tribe. They are protective of all involved and angry at strangers assuming they know better than those in the middle of this. They are showing unconditional love and compassion- My God they loved this kid as much as they loved his victims, they are dealing with loss on every front.
I personally believe these kids understand better than many adults that what Jaylen did was horrible but that it wasn't all of who he was.

Maybe observers are missing the fact that these kids were/are family and they can either pull together as a family or watch that family collapse from pointed fingers and blame.

This community is making sure these students and their families are cared for- they are having both tribal and community meetings addressing all of this in a united way.

I have to say I agree with this. Trying to understand why this happened is paramount to healing for everyone, especially those closest to these kids. As one of the victim's mom said, "No hate, just love."

It's not an approach all can fathom, but one that I can respect. It is one likely born of their culture, and I hope their healing process will allow them to become stronger than they were before this happened.

A girl can dream.

JMO....


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[LaborDayRN]

If we're confused, imagine the kids.

I was thinking about that very thing. Being a young teen is such an emotionally charged time. Add to that the trauma these kids have suffered, and not knowing what is happening with their classmates and friends........ I wish they could be given honest information and allowed to grieve.

 

[kalekona]

I'm watching kiro7 News. The very same reporter who tweeted confirmation of Gia's death just reported her as still being in critical condition - IOW, she reported on the 4 kids and said nothing about the FB post.

I'm not doubting that Gia's dead; what I'm saying is that I'm disappointed in the manner the shooting has been reported. I understand the parents' request for privacy but IMO this is absolutely the wrong way to go about disseminating news in our community. Holding back on updates keeps the rumor mill spinning, which serves no useful purpose - all it does is create confusion. It's reckless reporting and it lowers the credibility of our local news stations.

I don't have a Twitter account and I don't want one but I'm tempted to open one just so I can tell all the local news stations and the reporters how very disappointed I am in them.

Honestly your disappointment doesn't matter. What matters is what the family and the tribal leaders believe is best for all of those involved. Trust me the people who matter know the truth and don't need or want the media to tell them what is what.


I don't believe the hospitals can even report on the students detailed condition unless the parents have given them the ok to do so.
I personally thought the community meeting earlier would be used to confirm to the community on the conditions of the girls and Andrew.

 

[MsMarple]

This is the Tulalip Nation. The are in charge of their community and the news. The local news stations and reporters are adhering to what the NA community wants.

In which case KIRO7 news reporter Deborah Horne had zero business to tweet her "confirmation."

If the Tulalip Tribe has taken charge of news releases then IMO the community should be told that's the case and the responsible statement should be to the effect that no information will be released at this time. Updates have been given regarding the two boys - who are tribe members - so why the secrecy about the girls? And why continue to say the girls are still in critical condition if that's a lie? How does that serve the members of Native American communities who are also waiting for news?

BTW, I'm not claiming it is a lie - so far we have no official information regarding the condition of the two girls.

To be clear, my beef here is that information coming from social media may or may not be accurate. This shooting affects all of us here in Washington and it's mind-boggling that we have to depend on random tweets and posts in social media to learn who has survived this awful shooting and who has not.

 

[PhantomAngel]

I am sorry, but someone knows how to stop this so that we quit losing innocent lives, I just wish they would enlighten us so that we can help before more have to pass.

 

[kimi_SFC]

I had a post drafted and lost it. :sigh:

The complexities involved in the Release of Information are beyond the average case. There are multiple victims, they are minors, more than one facility has been involved in their care, there is talk of organ donation, this is an active criminal investigation, AND we are dealing with the TN (edited).

If (and this hasn't been officially confirmed) an organ donation is in the works, all parties would have to consent to the ROI for us to hear about it through Media Relations at the facility(ies). Otherwise, privacy protection measures are built into the system to safeguard the donor and recipient(s).

I researched this at length in preparation for my Board examination for Health IT - but I don't have a link handy so :moo:

When you look at the big picture, and all the factors / variables affecting the lack of updates / communication to the general public, one must consider what this might mean. Quite honestly, I question whether or not it could potentially be affecting the investigation (i.e. Is Tribal Law factoring into all of this?)?

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I am choosing to have faith that everyone is working towards the best possible resolution - on all fronts. At this point, we have no reason to believe otherwise.

:twocents:


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[Trino]

I had a post drafted and lost it. :sigh:

The complexities involved in the Release of Information are beyond the average case. There are multiple victims, they are minors, more than one facility has been involved in their care, there is talk of organ donation, this is an active criminal investigation, AND we are dealing with the Tulalip Reservation.

If (and this hasn't been officially confirmed) an organ donation is in the works, all parties would have to consent to the ROI for us to hear about it through Media Relations at the facility(ies). Otherwise, privacy protection measures are built into the system to safeguard the donor and recipient(s).

I researched this at length in preparation for my Board examination for Health IT - but I don't have a link handy so :moo:

When you look at the big picture, and all the factors / variables affecting the lack of updates / communication to the general public, one must consider what this might mean. Quite honestly, I question whether or not it could potentially be affecting the investigation (i.e. Is Tribal Law factoring into all of this?)?

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I am choosing to have faith that everyone is working towards the best possible resolution - on all fronts. At this point, we have no reason to believe otherwise.

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Since this happened in a public school not on tribal land, I don't think the tribal police would be leading the investigation. As a matter of courtesy, however, I would guess tribal police would be involved.