WA WA - Joseph Pichler, 18, Bremerton, 5 Jan 2006 - Child Actor - #2

[Chicogirl36]

Mushrooms...in the car....supposedly...what if...again just speculating...what if these kids didn't do this on the regular and was sold a bag that was NOT legit and actually caused harm....but why not go to the police if something happened? scared they would get in trouble for the shrooms? kinda vibes with cammie saying they wanted to remove something from the car...

They didn't care enough to conduct an interview, but DID care enough to want to remove the shrooms? why? did they KNOW that if tested they may come back as the wrong variety, the kind that poisons?

Just thinkin' out loud but please, tell me if I get something wrong in the details!

You are on the right track, IMO. There was vomit found in Joes car, but Im 99.9% sure they never analized it. I think that is what one of the family's beefs are with BPD.

 

[Chicogirl36]

That's ok Lilly. I've read that article over and over and still can't figure out what they are saying. lol. FWIW, I think Joe could be a possibility.

I would looove for this to be Joe for the family to put some closure on this and for Joe to rest in peace. I am getting from the articles that the bones are newer (within a year) and Joe has been missing for a few years. Im kind of confused by two diff articles, but if there is something Im missing, plaese let me know. Im off to cook, or I would re-read them right now. :crazy: crazy kid day today- must be a full moon??

Joe has a lot of money that he earned and nothing has been touched. His SS has not been used. He was very close to his family and would NEVER let his mother worry like this. There is a chance he is mentally incapasatated? Please dont get me wrong~ I would love for Joe to be found alive, but I fear he is no longer alive.

 

[LillyRush]

Chico, I was thinking maybe he was held against his will somewhere and then not killed until maybe a year or so after the disappearance, not necessarily that he had been gone willingly all this time. So, that would explain the remains appearing not to have been decomposed for as long as he's been missing. Of course, I might be totally reaching with that.

Or, as you mention, he could have had some sort of amnesia or mental breakdown for awhile and then not past away until more recently.

The other thing I was thinking of is that maybe the remains were stored in a freezer or something where they would not decompose as fast and then they were just dumped sometime within the last year. I suppose the ME will eventually be able to tell whether the remains were ever exposed to those types of conditions.

 

[Chicogirl36]

LR- You are right - There are many scenarios we can draw upen, but these kids are not talking or breaking their silence- Talk about a code!!!
I think the whole truth would only come out if someone broke the code, JMHO. :chicken::furious::bang:

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

LR- You are right - There are many scenarios we can draw upen, but these kids are not talking or breaking their silence- Talk about a code!!!
I think the whole truth would only come out if someone broke the code, JMHO. :chicken::furious::bang:

speaking of code lol

I just can't let the website go, and yeah we went the same route on that one...

I think i'm going to print their posts, try to look at them differently, maybe having cross conversations, or key words that are "codes"? Far fetched I know, but why do this with the site if it has nothing to do with the disappearance lol to be honest maybe i'm just hoping there isn't anyone that mean and ugly. Ah well, off to try and print those pages

 

[ilovemew]

You are on the right track, IMO. There was vomit found in Joes car, but Im 99.9% sure they never analized it. I think that is what one of the family's beefs are with BPD.

Don't know if this has been mentioned but I remember hearing this and I found this *copied from wikianswers

*Do you throw up on magic mushrooms?
In: Hallucinogens

It can happen... usually at higher doses, or if you have eaten something before. Magic mushrooms are also a food poisonning, so your body naturally reacts that way. If you want to feel the effects, you should try to hold them is for as long as you can. Throwing up on magic mushrooms can feel really purifying.

 

[Chicogirl36]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but I remember hearing this and I found this *copied from wikianswers

*Do you throw up on magic mushrooms?
In: Hallucinogens

It can happen... usually at higher doses, or if you have eaten something before. Magic mushrooms are also a food poisonning, so your body naturally reacts that way. If you want to feel the effects, you should try to hold them is for as long as you can. Throwing up on magic mushrooms can feel really purifying.

Thank you ilovemew :blowkiss:, and thanks for contibuting to Joe's thread. ANY info you can help us out with is welcomed! Im so happy that people are showing a new interest in Joe's case. There are a handful of us that still check in, but most people give up soon because the clues are few and hard to come by.

BTW- YEAH LAKERS!!!!! :woohoo::woohoo: Sorry for OT, I saw your avitar and couldnt help myself...lol:woohoo::woohoo:

 

[warbuckle]

This is the disctrict attorney's office in Kitsap county
[email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
Maybe we could add these people to our email list...

This is Joe's case #
Report #B06000286 Joe Pichler

This is the letter I wrote them.

Dear Mr. Hauge,
Joe Pichler has been gone since January 3, 2006. His case is classified as 'endangered missing teen'.
Joe's car was robbed and his apartment was robbed on 1/3/06. Joe is gone and has not been seen since 1/3/06.
New evidence has been discovered on MySpace that one of the people at Joe's house the night of 1/3/06 knew
of a plan among the people going there that night. A plan that made her nervous, people were being weird
and sketchy, and she didn't want to go to Joe's, but she went anyway.
Now Joe is gone and has been gone for 2 years. He was never seen again after that night.
We believe his case is an 'abduction' or 'suspected foul play', but the case escalated from 'endangered missing
teen' to a criminal offense when Joe was robbed and evidence of 'a plan' surfaced on MySpace prior to his disappearance.
Please help us change Joe's case or do what you can to help get this changed. Joe's case # is B06000286.
Joe Pichler is a high profile case. He was a child actor and his case has been receiving a lot of attention in the
last few months.
We have spoken to Detective Krane and Detective Davis from the Bremerton Police Dept. Many other detectives in the US have also spoken to Detective Krane and Davis without success. Many concerned citizens have also called the Bremerton Police Dept. Please help us get this case reclassified so that this case can get the attention it deserves.

Do you know which Magic cards were missing? These are collectable cards so perhaps if you can find who has his cards you can find out what happened.

 

[warbuckle]

Check this out and see if he had any of these that were stolen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Nine

One of the cards sold for up to 20K in orginal print. I agree something else is going on but without more information how can one determine if he voluntarily missing or victim of foul play. Seems like the people there that night could provide more info to help solve this mystery.

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

it was also said in earlier threads that Joe was trying to get away from the friendships he had with the teens with question with him that night. If so, why party with them?? Could have have known? Was there a falling out?? Did I miss this somewhere??

 

[Chicogirl36]

it was also said in earlier threads that Joe was trying to get away from the friendships he had with the teens with question with him that night. If so, why party with them?? Could have have known? Was there a falling out?? Did I miss this somewhere??

IIRC, Joe was set up that night. He had started partying with a friend writing poetry (later called his so-called suicide note that was poetry, not a good-bye note- contents unknown to me) and I dont know where the alcohol and drugs came into play- He wasnt known to be a big drug user, but kids at his age do a lot of things their family doesnt know about.

Sharon (fam friend) told me that their was some email correspondence between the girls in the group talking about 'something' that was going to go down and about how one of them didnt want to particpate. I do know the one of the girls names and it has been widely posted as she was one of the key players rhymes with jammies

And to answer your question, yes, it was said he didnt want to be associated with this group of peeps anymore- Some were childhood friends who had changed while he was away in Los Angeles. I think some were there to take advantage of a nice, good kid who didnt think in his wildest dreams that that would harm him. Everything ever said about Joe has said what a nice, kind, gentle kid he was- Reminds me of my son I was told he was trying to get away, but they were using him and Im sure used him until he was gone-

 

[Chicogirl36]

Check this out and see if he had any of these that were stolen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Nine

One of the cards sold for up to 20K in orginal print. I agree something else is going on but without more information how can one determine if he voluntarily missing or victim of foul play. Seems like the people there that night could provide more info to help solve this mystery.

Wow Warbuckle- great info and thanks for sharing- I have NO idea what cards were missing. I do not remember ever reading or seeing it, about do know that when his brother got concerned the next day and went to his apt to look for him, he found a lot of cards strung around the apt. IIRC, there were both cheap and expensive ones left behind as if the theif didnt know what was worth what. I want to say there may have been a couple cards in the car, but I am kinda rusty on his story- I did save some IMs with Sharon with good info- I will look when I get off work and see what I can post

 

[LillyRush]

Does anyone know who was interested in these "magic" cards first? I mean, was it Joe who had the initial interest and then he shared/introduced it to the friends? Or, vice versa?

 

[believe09]

Does anyone know who was interested in these "magic" cards first? I mean, was it Joe who had the initial interest and then he shared/introduced it to the friends? Or, vice versa?

I do not know. I believe that he worked part time at a games type store where he would have access to the cards when they came in....as well as having another job during the day. Chico, correct me if I am wrong on this one.

I have a hard time with the conspiracy theories around his case, and wonder if it was far more simple, except he has not been found. I wish I knew if BPD interviewed the staff at the resturant and if anyone (a dishwasher, waitstaff, cook) was missing or had a shift that got off early in the am. Did they all return to work or did anyone quit shortly after he went missing? Because it seems likely that Joe was transported in another vehicle from where his was found for some purpose...jmo.

 

[believe09]

Wow Warbuckle- great info and thanks for sharing- I have NO idea what cards were missing. I do not remember ever reading or seeing it, about do know that when his brother got concerned the next day and went to his apt to look for him, he found a lot of cards strung around the apt. IIRC, there were both cheap and expensive ones left behind as if the theif didnt know what was worth what. I want to say there may have been a couple cards in the car, but I am kinda rusty on his story- I did save some IMs with Sharon with good info- I will look when I get off work and see what I can post

I don't know if we know there was a thief, Chicogirl...his apartment was unlocked according to the brother IIRC, BUT, I also recall an interview where brother stated that the friend of Joe's who was with him went into the apartment by a porch or back door that was unlocked.

IIRC, Joe had books of cards in the trunk of his car and Sharon's contention was about the empty slots. There was no evidence however that the slots were not empty prior to Joe going missing-he may have sold them for cash if he did not want his parents seeing what he was taking from his bank account, or even just sold/traded them for new ones...it would be nice to know if BPD printed them, but since he and his friends regularly handled them, who knows if it would have shown anything relevant. Frustrating, for sure.

I remember all of the discussion we had around the statement regarding vomit on the passenger side front seat floor mat/board. I did a lot of work around locating labs that would test DNA for the public etc but never found out if Joe's family had the mats/floorboard tested. (A great way to spend some of his earnings if they could not afford to pay for the testing themselves...JMO.) Does anyone know if it was ever done?

 

[ilovemew]

Wow Warbuckle- great info and thanks for sharing- I have NO idea what cards were missing. I do not remember ever reading or seeing it, about do know that when his brother got concerned the next day and went to his apt to look for him, he found a lot of cards strung around the apt. IIRC, there were both cheap and expensive ones left behind as if the theif didnt know what was worth what. I want to say there may have been a couple cards in the car, but I am kinda rusty on his story- I did save some IMs with Sharon with good info- I will look when I get off work and see what I can post

My mind is spinning with this question now: Why would the thief (and very possible abductor/murderer) throw all the cards around like that. If they didn't know what was worth a lot why not take all the cards. Is it possible that the cards strewn all about are a red herring? Maybe someone did that to make it look like Jo was the target of a theft. Possibly to cover up an accidental murder.

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

My mind is spinning with this question now: Why would the thief (and very possible abductor/murderer) throw all the cards around like that. If they didn't know what was worth a lot why not take all the cards. Is it possible that the cards strewn all about are a red herring? Maybe someone did that to make it look like Jo was the target of a theft. Possibly to cover up an accidental murder.

So ok what do we know about if any cash or electronics were missing from his place? was there cash available to take? Meaning, did it look like just the cards were messed with and no one messed with anything worth more to the average person?

I keep going back to accidental murder as well. With Jammie rhyme saying something about getting shrooms out, the vomit, heck, with all of the conspiracy of people being worried about setup maybe they KNEW it was a poisonous mushroom or something and disposed of the body...

Does anyone still have contact with JP's mom??

 

[believe09]

So ok what do we know about if any cash or electronics were missing from his place? was there cash available to take? Meaning, did it look like just the cards were messed with and no one messed with anything worth more to the average person?

I keep going back to accidental murder as well. With Jammie rhyme saying something about getting shrooms out, the vomit, heck, with all of the conspiracy of people being worried about setup maybe they KNEW it was a poisonous mushroom or something and disposed of the body...

Does anyone still have contact with JP's mom??[/quote]

Dazzlin Deb does, I believe.

WS generally doesn't recommend contacting family though unless they come here to post simply because they can get burned, and Joe's mom has been very, very hurt by the online community and speculation about the case. In any case, there is a whole lot out there in terms of info if you know where to find it; Chicogirl is a great resource as well who has had some family contact too I think...
:blowkiss:

 

[Chicogirl36]

I don't know if we know there was a thief, Chicogirl...his apartment was unlocked according to the brother IIRC, BUT, I also recall an interview where brother stated that the friend of Joe's who was with him went into the apartment by a porch or back door that was unlocked.

IIRC, Joe had books of cards in the trunk of his car and Sharon's contention was about the empty slots. There was no evidence however that the slots were not empty prior to Joe going missing-he may have sold them for cash if he did not want his parents seeing what he was taking from his bank account, or even just sold/traded them for new ones...it would be nice to know if BPD printed them, but since he and his friends regularly handled them, who knows if it would have shown anything relevant. Frustrating, for sure.

I remember all of the discussion we had around the statement regarding vomit on the passenger side front seat floor mat/board. I did a lot of work around locating labs that would test DNA for the public etc but never found out if Joe's family had the mats/floorboard tested. (A great way to spend some of his earnings if they could not afford to pay for the testing themselves...JMO.) Does anyone know if it was ever done?

You are definitely right my firiend, thank you for correcting me :blowkiss:. There wasnt a proven bruglary, and IIRC, nothing of big value was taken, but his place was uncharictaristically open and unlocked- Things were ransacked to look like a break in, but not sure about what,if anything is missing.

Yes he did work at a card/comic shop and that is how he got into these. He is also a big Star Wars buff and has a tattoo of a Star Wars symbol on his arm (I hve no clue what its called- but it is published in the articles Believe posted a while ago.

When I get home, I will go thru and check for new info- Im tempted now, but I am still at work for a few hours I saved a few emails with Sharon and since so many people are helping, I promise to go thru them and post what I can release. :blowkiss: Talk to y'all later

Thanks Believe- I havent heard a word about the vomit testing and Det Davis did'nt go there with me-Great idea about the family using some of his $$ for his return- Might even spark some interest up in ole Bremerton with the ecomony low now?? Ya never know who is desperate and wants/needs the money and will talk. I would try. I know they were after BPD and I am not a family member to release any kind of info like that. You have a much greater memory than I do, and talked about different topics with Sharon, so you will probably have much sharper knowledge than I. My brain is tired!!! :crazy: TTYS

 

[Chicogirl36]

I do not know. I believe that he worked part time at a games type store where he would have access to the cards when they came in....as well as having another job during the day. Chico, correct me if I am wrong on this one.

I have a hard time with the conspiracy theories around his case, and wonder if it was far more simple, except he has not been found. I wish I knew if BPD interviewed the staff at the resturant and if anyone (a dishwasher, waitstaff, cook) was missing or had a shift that got off early in the am. Did they all return to work or did anyone quit shortly after he went missing? Because it seems likely that Joe was transported in another vehicle from where his was found for some purpose...jmo.

That restaurant bothers me- Supposedly it was fave mexican restaurant, IIRC, and they pretty much drove right to it while out searching for Joe- That was a red flag for the family, as things werent adding up already. If that was his fave place, he was prob well known in such a small home-town, and someone HAD to have seen something, or first noticed when the car was there.

All these questions are making me want to call Det Davis back and ask him- Maybe we can come up with a specific list and just go for it- He was pretty nice and easy to talk to, and knows this case- I would be up for it later in the week