Found Deceased WA - Olivia 5, Evelyn 8 & Paityn Decker 9, found dead, manhunt on for father, Travis Decker 32, wh 2017 GMC Sierra PU, Wenatchee, 30 May 2025 #2

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No DNA match: Search of Cascades yields no trace of fugitive Travis Decker​


Not a single piece of DNA collected from evidence found by tactical teams deep inside the mountains near the city of Leavenworth and Blewett Pass over the last several weeks has matched the DNA of Travis Decker, according to Chelan County Sheriff Mike Morrison.

 
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Decker manhunt slows as costs climb; deputies stretched thin in hunt for accused child killer​

Jun 27, 2025, 4:04 PM

 
  • #723

Decker manhunt slows as costs climb; deputies stretched thin in hunt for accused child killer​

Jun 27, 2025, 4:04 PM

From your article, this is interesting:

"For the first time, Thursday, Morrison also said the lone hiker spotted running from a law enforcement helicopter near Colchuck Lake in the Enchantments just days into their search, may have instead been a hiker who may have failed to pay for an overnight camping pass and ran because he thought he’d get in trouble."

I believe several of us considered this possibility.
 
  • #724
From your article, this is interesting:

"For the first time, Thursday, Morrison also said the lone hiker spotted running from a law enforcement helicopter near Colchuck Lake in the Enchantments just days into their search, may have instead been a hiker who may have failed to pay for an overnight camping pass and ran because he thought he’d get in trouble."

I believe several of us considered this.
Yeah... I don't know. While I can see someone getting into trouble for not paying, I can't see that person thinking they'd put helicopters (WAY more expensive than paying for the pass) into the air looking for the flake. Due to that, IMO that person running from the LE helicopter would have to be someone with MUCH higher stakes.

JMO
 
  • #725
From your article, this is interesting:

"For the first time, Thursday, Morrison also said the lone hiker spotted running from a law enforcement helicopter near Colchuck Lake in the Enchantments just days into their search, may have instead been a hiker who may have failed to pay for an overnight camping pass and ran because he thought he’d get in trouble."

I believe several of us considered this possibility.
Personally, I think this theory is just ridiculous. As someone who was lucky enough to win the golden pass to overnight camp in the Enchantments, I just don't see how anyone would take it that seriously to start running and scrambling down the backside risking serious injury through unmarked trails and steep terrain all because they didn't have an overnight pass? And it's my understanding that this was during the daytime. Anyone can hike that area with a day permit.

And I find it nearly impossible to believe that anyone hiking during that time to not understand why helicopters were flying all over the place. Certainly not spending that kind of $$$ searching for hikers without a permit, lol.
 
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"Authorities who have spent the past three weeks searching in the mountains of Washington state for an ex-soldier wanted in the deaths of his three young daughters say there is no evidence that he remains in the area or that he is alive at all".
 
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MOO they didn't reconcile because he telegraphed that he was capable of bad things.
Telegraphed? Unsure what this means. Of course they didn't reconcile with him. In his mind, with what ever state he was in, he perceived he was doing the things to reconcile, which ultimately was too little too late. Whether or not the things he perceived he was doing and had the desired effect of reconciliation, he most likely experienced a horrible sense of grief when his perceived efforts did not lead to the outcome he desired. He was rejected, and his fragile psyche clearly was unable to cope with this.

People with certain mental heal issues often have what is called "stinky thinking" basically negative and irrational thoughts along with cognitive distortions. These patterns and thought processes often don't reflect the true reality of those around them. In this situation he clearly had cognitive dissonance with perceived v actual reality. It takes tons of therapy to realign, redirect, and regain control of "stinky thinking". We all know he was unable to access help and therapy. We have all experienced negativity in our lives and redirect our thoughts. Some people have a very difficult time due to multifactorial reasons.

My point of the original post, was he might have perceived a great rejection or loss, after most likely believing he did things necessary to reconcile or not fully grasping the reality of how inaccurate he was perceiving the situation.

 
  • #729

No DNA match: Search of Cascades yields no trace of fugitive Travis Decker​


Not a single piece of DNA collected from evidence found by tactical teams deep inside the mountains near the city of Leavenworth and Blewett Pass over the last several weeks has matched the DNA of Travis Decker, according to Chelan County Sheriff Mike Morrison.


He had a head start. Many have wondered if he is really even in the area...
 
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Telegraphed? Unsure what this means. Of course they didn't reconcile with him. In his mind, with what ever state he was in, he perceived he was doing the things to reconcile, which ultimately was too little too late. Whether or not the things he perceived he was doing and had the desired effect of reconciliation, he most likely experienced a horrible sense of grief when his perceived efforts did not lead to the outcome he desired. He was rejected, and his fragile psyche clearly was unable to cope with this.

People with certain mental heal issues often have what is called "stinky thinking" basically negative and irrational thoughts along with cognitive distortions. These patterns and thought processes often don't reflect the true reality of those around them. In this situation he clearly had cognitive dissonance with perceived v actual reality. It takes tons of therapy to realign, redirect, and regain control of "stinky thinking". We all know he was unable to access help and therapy. We have all experienced negativity in our lives and redirect our thoughts. Some people have a very difficult time due to multifactorial reasons.

My point of the original post, was he might have perceived a great rejection or loss, after most likely believing he did things necessary to reconcile or not fully grasping the reality of how inaccurate he was perceiving the situation.

By telegraphed I mean his actions that are read by others rather than listening to his words.
For instance TD in one way or another saya "I am OK, it is safe to have me over," while at the same time is still using drugs, is having nonsensical work conflicts, and hasn't made any material changes to his circumstances.
 
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IIRC, he had a diagnosis of BPD (Borderline) and was put on medication. The term "borderline" was used by Freud (and nearly everyone after him) to indicate the borderline territory between full psychosis and mere neurosis. It is therefore quite tricky to diagnose and treat.

Medications are used today to treat it (the newer anti-psychotics seem to be only somewhat effective, but they are effective enough that they are in wide use).


This study shows that the main symptom controlled by the anti-psychotics is borderline anger (often called "rage" in the literature), but also cognitive perceptual symptoms (what some of us would call delusions or derealization), mood disturbances and overall (global) functioning (includes more normative cognition and behavior; such as having more routine results on various tests of mental functioning, including ones involving ECG's and CAT scans).

He had gone off his meds.

I am so angry at this man, I can't even put it into words. And that's exactly what he wants us all to feel and he especially wanted his poor wife to feel. These people can pass for normal, his BPD was particularly severe. It often comes packaged with narcissistic and antisocial traits, as we see here.

The fact that he might be dead is infuriating. He should be alive and medicate and made to think about what he has done.

IMO.
 
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IIRC, he had a diagnosis of BPD (Borderline) and was put on medication. The term "borderline" was used by Freud (and nearly everyone after him) to indicate the borderline territory between full psychosis and mere neurosis. It is therefore quite tricky to diagnose and treat.

Medications are used today to treat it (the newer anti-psychotics seem to be only somewhat effective, but they are effective enough that they are in wide use).


This study shows that the main symptom controlled by the anti-psychotics is borderline anger (often called "rage" in the literature), but also cognitive perceptual symptoms (what some of us would call delusions or derealization), mood disturbances and overall (global) functioning (includes more normative cognition and behavior; such as having more routine results on various tests of mental functioning, including ones involving ECG's and CAT scans).

He had gone off his meds.

I am so angry at this man, I can't even put it into words. And that's exactly what he wants us all to feel and he especially wanted his poor wife to feel. These people can pass for normal, his BPD was particularly severe. It often comes packaged with narcissistic and antisocial traits, as we see here.

The fact that he might be dead is infuriating. He should be alive and medicate and made to think about what he has done.

IMO.

In all honesty, this is all we know, BPD and PTSD. He might have had three or four more diagnoses that he never disclosed to his wife.
Is getting off meds to keep one’s mood/anger in check delusional on its own? “I am fine, I can get back to the army”.
 
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In all honesty, this is all we know, BPD and PTSD. He might have had three or four more diagnoses that he never disclosed to his wife.
Is getting off meds to keep one’s mood/anger in check delusional on its own? “I am fine, I can get back to the army”.

BBM. Good point. It is very common for someone taking medications to start feeling better to some degree and think they don't need meds. Shoot, people do this with antibiotics and other meds all the time.

Personality Disorders are usually refractory to meds, but there are so many overlapping symptoms and he never really had the therapy to figure out what was going on.
 
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My point of the original post, was he might have perceived a great rejection or loss, after most likely believing he did things necessary to reconcile or not fully grasping the reality of how inaccurate he was perceiving the situation.
IIRC, he had a diagnosis of BPD (Borderline) and was put on medication. The term "borderline" was used by Freud (and nearly everyone after him) to indicate the borderline territory between full psychosis and mere neurosis. It is therefore quite tricky to diagnose and treat.
RS&B&RedBM

I agree with both of you. Put these two possible facts together, and one could explain, NOT EXCUSE, TD's alleged horrific and evil act of killing his daughters in a most brutal way, since the fear of abandonment can be quite pronounced in BPD, leading to self destructive and rage responses.

Mayo Clinic: "People with borderline personality disorder have a strong fear of abandonment or being left alone. Even though they want to have loving and lasting relationships, the fear of being abandoned often leads to mood swings and anger. It also leads to impulsiveness and self-injury that may push others away."

And of course the question remains, did TD end his life after his alleged crime because he was in an acute state of dysregulation (e.g. psychotic episode), or was TD's mind cogent enough to plan an escape out of the area with a 3-day head start?

IMO.
ETA: to last sentence.
 
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I believe he is long gone south. He is not dead. He is trained to survive out there. He did it for fun now he has to do it because the world is looking for him? He’s still out there. He wouldn’t of planned and tried to send deputies north if he wasn’t planning escape and to stay gone
 
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I believe he is long gone south. He is not dead. He is trained to survive out there. He did it for fun now he has to do it because the world is looking for him? He’s still out there. He wouldn’t of planned and tried to send deputies north if he wasn’t planning escape and to stay gone
Yes, I agree, he had quite the head start & he may have gone in the opposite direction than anticipated.
 
  • #737
I think unless we get some credible tips, random searches are no longer feasible.
 
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I think unless we get some credible tips, random searches are no longer feasible.
Finding Travis (dead or alive) is important, particularly for Whitney. But this level of seaching can’t continue. LE - Fed or State, doesn’t have the financial resources. It’s always such a disappointment when the call to stop is made.

I’m curious what the most costly investigation in WA State has been? I know in Oregon it is Kyron Horman.
 
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Yes, I agree, he had quite the head start & he may have gone in the opposite direction than anticipated.
Seems to me if he intended to take his life, he would have done so soon after the killings, meaning he would have been found. Either he's really, really good at being off-grid, or he's elsewhere.
 
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The more I read about this allegedly evil person, if he had gone off his medications I doubt he would be thinking clearly enough to strategize his escape. I think he would have killed himself not far from where the girls were found. Maybe with a 2-5 kilometre radius. MOO
 
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