WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #1

[eyes4crime]

Clues still scarce 3 days after woman, son went missingBY JEREMY PAWLOSKI | Staff writer • Published March 16, 2010


Dive teams continued searching Puget Sound for a missing Silverdale woman and her 8-year-old son today, and investigators took another look at their abandoned minivan, but neither effort produced new clues to the missing pair’s whereabouts.

Shantina “Kat” Smiley and her son, Azriel J. Carver, last were seen about 10 p.m. Saturday. Their abandoned minivan was found Sunday on a rocky beach at Little Fish Trap, northeast of Boston Harbor.

Thurston County Sheriff’s Lt. Chris Mealy said today’s search along the shoreline of Dana Passage and Budd Inlet included dive team members who used a submersible camera and sonar to try to locate the pair.

Mealy said detectives took a second look at Smiley’s minivan after the inside of the vehicle, which had been partly underwater at high tide, dried out. They dusted the vehicle for fingerprints but found no new evidence, he said.

When a neighbor discovered the minivan on the beach Sunday morning, Smiley’s wallet, containing identification and credit cards, was in the backseat, but her purse was missing. The van’s side door and rear hatch were open. There is no evidence of foul play, Mealy has said.

Smiley’s fiance, Robb Simmons, has told investigators that Smiley was recovering from an alcohol problem, Thurston County Chief Criminal Deputy James Chamberlain confirmed today. Simmons has told The Olympian that Smiley was on medication for anxiety.

No new search efforts were planned for today, Chamberlain wrote in an e-mail late this afternoon. The sheriff’s office is following up on a number of tips that have been called in, Mealy said.

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Jill Pribbenow, one of the neighbors who discovered the minivan, said today that the keys were on the dashboard.

Pribbenow said the dirt road that leads down a steep slope to the beach is especially dark at night and is difficult to navigate. She said the disappearance of Smiley and her son is “completely weird.”

The water current on Dana Passage off Little Fish Trap is extremely fast when the tides change, Pribbenow said


Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/16/1174731/clues-still-scarce-3-days-after.html#ixzz0iOkAB4rA

Wallet with ID and money in the back seat
Keys on the dash
Purse gone

It has been said she relapsed and had drinks during the week. A relapse is a relapse - she must have been drinking everyday, morning, noon, and night. alcoholics don't relapse and just have one drink. What really happened, how bad was it?

Now the boyfriend says she is on medication for anxiety - if she was taking Valium, Xanax, or any of the anti-anxiety agents and relapsed, that would account for her being confused and dazed. I wonder how long she had been sober and was Smiley going to AA - how long had she been on anti-anxiety meds?
How bad are the medical problems her fiancee told her about?
ETA: She had a scare with cancer and was cleared - he asked her to marry him and she began drinking?

Questions:
Did Smiley really relapse? Does anyone else know about it? (sponsor etc)
How long on anti-anxiety meds?
Did Smiley take her meds with her?
Is she bad with directions?
Did Smiley seem confused upon relapse?
Did she seem disoriented upon relapse or on the phone?
Did she want to see her step-father alone before fiancee came along. All just MOO

 

[BeanE]

That is really weird. She has been referring to him as a fiance for much longer than a week. And she had a recent cancer scare but was found to be clean. It is in her myspace blogs.

I took it to mean he had just this week suggested they move up the wedding date and get married more quickly.

I'm really afraid all signs are pointing to her having been drinking. My best hope is that they're holed up in a hotel and she's on a binge and that the little boy will pick up the phone and call somebody. I'm so worried about him.

 

[Ginky]

respectfully snipped...

Snipped from her MS account. Jay is the person in New York that BF called?

IIRC, the person in NY is Azriel's father but he is NOT the ex-husband. Two different men. In one article RS said he called called both the ex and Azriel's father to let them know that SS was missing.

 

[Lipin One]

The repair.

Plus the timing doesn't work if you think he did something. This was HOURS before her last sighting.


IMHO: BF had nothing to do with it. He's incredibly nervous. He seems to be the type to go over everything in great detail after-the-fact, which would include not just the times/locations of the call with her but also the relapse. After all, someone may have seen her at a bar, or liquor store... and that could jar their memory.

Not saying he's done a thing. But, somehow the chronology of things are a little off.

As I said before, I'm sure that if there's a tangle of lies they will eventually unravel, as these things have a way of usually doing.

 

[BeanE]

Wallet with ID and money in the back seat
Keys on the dash
Purse gone

It has been said she relapsed and had drinks during the week. A relapse is a relapse - she must have been drinking everyday, morning, noon, and night. alcoholics don't relapse and just have one drink. What really happened, how bad was it?

Now the boyfriend says she is on medication for anxiety - if she was taking Valium, Xanax, or any of the anti-anxiety agents and relapsed, that would account for her being confused and dazed. I wonder how long she had been sober and was Smiley going to AA - how long had she been on anti-anxiety meds?
How bad are the medical problems her fiancee told her about?

Questions:
Did Smiley really relapse? Does anyone else know about it? (sponsor etc)
How long on anti-anxiety meds?
Did Smiley take her meds with her?
Is she bad with directions?
Did Smiley seem confused upon relapse?
Did she seem disoriented upon relapse or on the phone?
Did she want to see her step-father alone before fiancee came along. All just MOO

Oh God the meds are new info to me. This is very bad. I'm awfully worried about the little boy.

 

[RubyRed]

He said he's been having health issues and fears he might have cancer. So this past week he suggested they get married.

That's when she started drinking again. But he does not think that played any role in what happened.

"The idea she would stop and drink is not a realistic thing. I do not see her doing that, I don't see herself doing that putting herself at risk, getting in trouble with the law, putting her son at risk," he said.

Detectives say they're trying to learn all they can about Smiley's emotional state and trying to determine if she had any mental or physical health problems Saturday night. She has no history of such problems.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington...-in-finding-missing-mom-and-son-87825797.html

Her MS says she is engaged and her last log in was March 7, 2010.


http://www.myspace.com/neiko_82

 

[cj327]

That is really weird. She has been referring to him as a fiance for much longer than a week. And she had a recent cancer scare but was found to be clean. It is in her myspace blogs.

I recall that the cancer issue made him want to move the wedding sooner...I think I saw somewhere it was originally supposed to be this fall or something.

 

[SuziQ]

I was searching all over for this. I thought I had read it. This is a comment allegedly by an employee at the diner they stopped at. I'm really afraid she may have been drinking. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just trying to find a reason for her seemingly erratic behavior.

After the fiance said she had relapsed last week, I thought I had remembered seeing this, and just finally found it.

I think she may have told her little boy she hit her head as a means of explaining her erratic behavior or confusion to him.

That appears to be a copy and paste of the original post with some info added, such as the the drunk remark. IMO, a troll posted that? Let the circus begin I guess.

 

[cj327]

bbm I thought I had read all posts but I must have missed that. Do you have a link?

Anxiety meds mentioned here:

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/16/1174731/clues-still-scarce-3-days-after.html

 

[SuziQ]

IMO, He probably wanted to get set a date because of a health scare. Nothing odd about that.

 

[BeanE]

That appears to be a copy and paste of the original post with some info added, such as the the drunk remark. IMO, a troll posted that? Let the circus begin I guess.

That was the first comment I saw, and it was posted very early on in the thread.

 

[mtrooper]

here ya go.
http://www.people-finders.ws/Summary.asp?vw=people&input=name&fn=Jerry&mn=&ln=Smiley&city=&state=Wa

 

[kai]

D****s W******'s home 1400 block of 46th Avenue NE[/B] 10:00pm - Told she was lost, called "grandfather" (Silas Smith) and told him she was lost and Williams was giving her directions (why call the grandpa and not the boyfriend or stepfather?)

Did she use a home phone or a cell phone to make this call from their home? Would her grandfather's number be a local number=not incur any long distance charges? I would feel funny borrowing a home phone to make a long distance call if I was at a strangers home. Maybe she couldn't call her stepfather/fiance because it was long distance?

 

[PaulR]

So the ex is saying that Shantina said she wanted to stop by? Wonder if they had any plans to meet on Saturday. Surely that will come out in the investigation.

Perhaps, but in any event they would have met where the ex lives, Castle Rock area. We know Shantina didn't make it that far.

 

[Lipin One]

I know it's not of anyone's business, but I'm curious.

He said in the Fox interview that she relapsed because he has medical issues.

Anyone who knows what is the illness the guy suffers from that made her relapse?

The illness must not be related much to his body, since he drove the 120 miles to the stepfather (Castle Rock) in 3hours and 10 minutes, including the stop to make the car repair. Then he spent the night driving to Olympia and back looking for his girlfriend.

The illness must not be bad enough that would prohibit him from taking Cub Scout training.

IMO

 

[PaulR]

here ya go.
http://www.people-finders.ws/Summary.asp?vw=people&input=name&fn=Jerry&mn=&ln=Smiley&city=&state=Wa

Not the same person.

The article mentioned that her ex and her were high school sweethearts, thus the same age.

The person who lives in Olympia is 10 years her senior.

 

[SuziQ]

That was the first comment I saw, and it was posted very early on in the thread.

I just don't remember the drunk part. I will have to see if I can find an original post.

 

[Ginky]

Did she use a home phone or a cell phone to make this call from their home? Would her grandfather's number be a local number=not incur any long distance charges? I would feel funny borrowing a home phone to make a long distance call if I was at a strangers home. Maybe she couldn't call her stepfather/fiance because it was long distance?

Or she didn't know their numbers since she didn't have her phone with me. Perhaps the GF's number was the only one she knew by heart.

 

[BeanE]

That appears to be a copy and paste of the original post with some info added, such as the the drunk remark. IMO, a troll posted that? Let the circus begin I guess.

I just double checked at the link. That was posted 03/15/2010 02:41:05 AM. Based on the heartfelt comments in that post and then next one from the same person, it really looks to me like that is the original post.

 

[RubyRed]

First it was mentioned no substance problems, now we hear alcohol and anxiety meds.
There is a good possibility the combination of both is what made her act the way she did. moo

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/16/1174731/clues-still-scarce-3-days-after.html