WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #4

[Jules71]

I'd still like to see how they fare compared to "traditional" couples (whatever that is lol). Not for this case but just curious in general.

Off Topic but thought I'd give my two cents...
My hubby and I met this way and we just celebrated our 9 year wedding anniversary. For us - we got to know so much about each other before we ever met in person. We didn't have to start right off with the dating thing. We wrote letters and emails and talked on the phone for 6 mos. before we meet in person. It was romantic and exciting and we looked forward to learning more about each other.

 

[sorrell skye]

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/16/1173785/few-clues-in-search-for-mom-son.html

Snipped from article:

Simmons, 39, said he and Smiley met about 21/2 years ago online. She works at Kitsap Medical Group in Bremerton, he said. Simmons said he lives with Smiley and her son in Silverdale, along with his own two children – a 15-year-old daughter and a 10-year-old son.

 

[Calliope]

Off Topic but thought I'd give my two cents...
My hubby and I met this way and we just celebrated our 9 year wedding anniversary. For us - we got to know so much about each other before we ever met in person. We didn't have to start right off with the dating thing. We wrote letters and emails and talked on the phone for 6 mos. before we meet in person. It was romantic and exciting and we looked forward to learning more about each other.

Awesome! Congratulations

 

[Jules71]

Just found this - not sure if it's already been posted:

From:
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/03/washington-mother-and-son-missing/

Shantina’s family and friends have been searching the area ever since. Lt. Mealey told me Shantina has no mental health issues, no substance abuse problems, and she is a responsible mom. I confirmed Shantina is employed with the Kitsap Medical Group in the billing department, and everyone is distraught that she is missing. Investigators are currently diving into her bank account and cell phone records. I spoke with another investigator who is in charge of the tips and he says right now the tip flow is moving very slowly. Investigators need your leads on this case.

If you have any information, please contact the Thurston Sheriff’s Office: 360-786-5500

 

[Jules71]

Yes the Kitsap medical group are the ones that said they were extremely upset and worried about their "co worker" said it was out of character and they also believed she'd not do anything to endanger her son's life. So what big interview was he speaking of? The way it has sounded is that this was a reputable and great office to work for and that SS was happy there???

Does anyone know if it would be against TOS or inappropriate to invite people who knew Shantina to participate in these discussions on WS?

 

[eyes4crime]

Does anyone know if it would be against TOS or inappropriate to invite people who knew Shantina to participate in these discussions on WS?

I know that Tricia, owner of the WS, clears family members and/or friends of the family to comment as such on her site. First would have to e-mail Tricia, not sure what she asks for, but she gives the clearance.

That's to prevent anyone coming on and speaking for the family - it's really a protection for all those who know the victim. That's all I know about it.

 

[houndstooth]

OK so the investigators were diving into her phone records and bank account, but not into the water to look for her. That speaks volumes.

As far as her being upset about his 'diagnosis" she may have just rolled her eyes like I did when I heard that. He must not know that hypochondria has skyrocketed since we can know the symptoms of every disease at our fingertips.

 

[Lipin One]

This is furthering my previous theory of a car-hijacking, assault, disposal of bodies and van.

The scenario I depicted is similar to what happened to this person:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/22933185/detail.html . This was in the news today.

This assault happened very close to the area, or arounds there where I thought it would.

I know, arounds is not a word.

Anyway, I'm not saying it's the same criminal. But, the thought came to mind that this guy did what I thought the criminal/s had done that night.

Supposing she got tired of driving in circles and decided to go North towards the highway, and in Tacoma she asked for directions and got the attention of a criminal similar to what happened in my theory.

Please nobody jump me, I know she was a drunkard, she had fallen off the wagon, she had CFS investigations in the past, and her hubby was quasi-sick (per Google diagnosis.)

I'm just exploring another theory.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Paul, we are commenting on statements the fiance himself has made on national TV...doesn't take any sleuthing to watch a video which is available to all who care to see it!

 

[LogicalMinds]

Again I can only say that if you are looking for rational reactions or thinking, it is hard to find when lives are torn by alcoholism

The people drawn to alcoholics who are NOT alcoholics themselves usually had a childhood filled with drunks. They often are super achievers, and have a "caretaker" mentality, they may have their ownhangups, phobias, or even addictions (shopping, etc)

However that is NOT to say that they don't love the person...they do. They will go to great lengths to defend them, protect them, and too often enable them.

I don't see that there was any outside "perp" here, the fiance may have problems but he is grieving....I just don't see what good any of this is going to do. He loved her very much it seems....his actions that night seem to me to be that of a co-dependant rushing off to "save the day"..

It is so emotionally draining to deal with an alcoholic..they will lie, they will put YOU on the spot..."You don't trust me"....."I swear I won't drink but if you keep trying to watch over me you will force me to drink" and so on

You walk on eggshells...the entire family walks around and over the "hippo in the living room"...very draining. The NON alcoholic does not even have the "luxury" of being irresponsible. It is very common for the NON alcoholic to "act out" in other ways over a period of time....developing real but often stress induced health problems....headaches, migraines, eating disorders, phobias....including being a hypochondriac


To me this is just a tragedy

 

[RubyRed]

An alcoholic can start drinking again just because it is raining out, the guy probably lived walking on eggshells. He is not to blame if she started drinking. He is doing what a lot of family members of alcoholics do, he is blaming himself.

 

[houndstooth]

An alcoholic can start drinking again just because it is raining out, the guy probably lived walking on eggshells. He is not to blame if she started drinking. He is doing what a lot of family members of alcoholics do, he is blaming himself.

I know Ruby that is probably true. And yet, she went on a wine-tasting vacation, sat around while others drank beer for what I doubt was the first time she'd been in that situation.

I think she had a bit more control over her situation than to fall to pieces over something he read on the internet regarding his health.

 

[Lipin One]

An alcoholic can start drinking again just because it is raining out, the guy probably lived walking on eggshells. He is not to blame if she started drinking. He is doing what a lot of family members of alcoholics do, he is blaming himself.

I agree. It is nobody's responsibility not to drink but the alcoholic him/herself.

But, if someone is trying to stay off the bottle... why bring them along on a wine tasting trip? Or, have beer on the table less than 10 inches from her face?

It's like bringing a diabetic to a candy store.

It doesn't make them fall off the wagon, but it's a whole lot of temptation.

IMO

 

[Salem]

I have just spent a considerable amount of time cleaning up this thread.

AGAIN - WS is a victim friendly forum. That means we do not sleuth family or friends of a victim until LE or main stream media give us a reason too. We treat family and friends with respect and sensitivity.

We also recognize that each poster has an opinion. They are entitled to their opinion. If you disagree with the opinion, move on - do not respond and try to change their mind. Just move on. If their opinion or post is offensive, hit the alert button (the little red triangle in the upper right corner of the post), then move on.

When paraphrasing from articles, it is important to be accurate. Do not add words to the interviewer or the interviewee's comments.

It is recognized that this case may be at a cross roads and could potentially turn in a couple of different directions. If that happens, sleuthing will also take a turn. BUT sleuthing will not take that turn unless there are solid indications from LE or the main stream media.

If there is continued sleuthing or disparaging comments about family members, posters will be given time outs.

Please let Hoppy, Imamaze or I know if you have any questions about this - before you post.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[trigger]

Any news if theres a search going on in the near future??

 

[SMK]

Any news if theres a search going on in the near future??

I cannot seem to find any updated news at all. It's as though the story has been dropped....

 

[SMK]

The Associated Press
BRINNON, Wash. —
A memorial service is being held Wednesday afternoon at Brinnon Community Church for Azriel Carver, the 8-year-old Silverdale boy who disappeared with his mother and drowned in Puget Sound.

His body was found Thursday on Fox Island.

He disappeared with his mother, Shantina Smiley, March 13 in the Olympia area and her car was found in the water on a beach. She is still missing.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011427682_apwamothersonmissing.html

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[tlcya]

I hate this not knowing if Shantina is dead or alive I hate this not knowing if she is a victim of foul play or a perpetrator. If this not knowing is driving me nuts - Her poor family must be going through absolute hell right now.

 

[BeanE]

Beautiful memorial article all about Azriel.

Azriel Carver Remembered at Memorial as 'a Joy and a Blessing'

Posted March 24, 2010 at 5:45 p.m.


“He was a happy-go-lucky boy with a wonderfully bright grin that made everyone who saw him smile in response to the sparkle in his eyes,” reads his obituary, which was printed in a leaflet and distributed at the service.

“He particularly enjoyed playing video and computer games and loved Gramma’s little dog Jasmine and his own little cat, CoCo,” the obituary said.

Reid relayed a tale from a few Sundays ago when Azriel was playing cards with another boy. Horseplay ensued, and the boys argued over the cards. Azriel, Reid said, ultimately gave the boy the cards and patted him on the back.


http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/mar/24/azriel-carver-remembered-as-a-joy-and-a-blessing/

Rest in peace, Az. You were a great guy.

 

[SMK]

I hate this not knowing if Shantina is dead or alive I hate this not knowing if she is a victim of foul play or a perpetrator. If this not knowing is driving me nuts - Her poor family must be going through absolute hell right now.

I agree. It was horrible to hear about the poor little boy, but at least you knew. As Shantina is still missing, it leaves open the possibility that something else may have occurred.