WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #4

[RubyRed]

Like everyone else, Jay is baffled by the circumstances leading up to their disappearance. Surveillance cameras caught Azriel's mom as she became increasingly disoriented. Jay thinks it's possible she was having a reaction to medication. Her driving habits made no sense.

"Like, if they told her to go left, she'd go the exact opposite. At one point she had no shoes on," said Jay.

No one knows why she ended up on this remote beach where he now believes they drowned.

J

ay said, "They were in the van sleeping and after a few hours the tide came in. The water trickled through the doors and of course they tried to get out, but just got swept up cause that current is so powerful."

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/...paign=Feed:+wivb_local+(WIVB.com+-+Local+News)

 

[RubyRed]

When was the van first spotted?

Between the timeline, seen at 10:30,and the 911 call lead me to believe she arrived at the beach after dark and van was noticed in the morning.

10:30 p.m. - Shantina was seen on surveillance video again, this time peering into the windows of the Gull Harbor Market, which was closed. She had driven in the opposite direction of the highway and found her way on the northwest side of Olympia. She went in the complete opposite direction from where the couple instructed her to go.

http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Sea...ileys-family-fears-she-may-have-been-abducted


911 Call
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-031610-audio-search,0,2743159.mp3file

 

[SMK]

I don't know, but she has a dark object in her right hand as she enters the store, and it appears to be the size and shape of a cell phone.

If it is one, what would this mean?

 

[Knox]

Snipped; "Smiley's stepgrandfather, Silas Smith, said Smiley made the same drive from Silverdale to Castle Rock a couple of weeks ago.

"She was looking forward to seeing her stepdad and his daughter," Smith said Wednesday. He doesn't think the trip "had anything to do" with Smiley's disappearance."
http://www.tdn.com/news/local/article_2f1f3c74-318a-11df-b07e-001cc4c002e0.html

I wonder if we will ever know what was so different about the trips and why this one ended their lives. I keep looking back to that store video where the clerk is pulling out the map. The way she is leaning on the counter makes me think she was not feeling well at that time, not just leaning in to get a closer look at the map.

 

[BeanE]

If it is one, what would this mean?

I don't know that it means anything, but if it is one, I'd sure like to know what she said, and how she seemed, to whomever she was talking with.

 

[BeanE]

I keep looking back to that store video where the clerk is pulling out the map. The way she is leaning on the counter makes me think she was not feeling well at that time, not just leaning in to get a closer look at the map.

I've wondered if the reason she left the diner without the corndog is because she was feeling ill. Particularly since she fell outside.

She may not have been able to see the restroom, or it may have been blocked, and she opted to run outside to the curb or bushes. (Not trying to be gross. Sorry.)

 

[SMK]

I've wondered if the reason she left the diner without the corndog is because she was feeling ill. Particularly since she fell outside.

She may not have been able to see the restroom, or it may have been blocked, and she opted to run outside to the curb or bushes. (Not trying to be gross. Sorry.)

That would indeed explain suddenly leaving without getting the take out.

 

[darlin gal]

Shelly12 you can't use full names of people not involved such as CW. You should edit your post. You also can't post comments from facebook. You can link to a facebook page as long as they are not minors.

 

[slowpoke]

I've wondered if the reason she left the diner without the corndog is because she was feeling ill. Particularly since she fell outside.

She may not have been able to see the restroom, or it may have been blocked, and she opted to run outside to the curb or bushes. (Not trying to be gross. Sorry.)

Good thought! I couldn't figure that one out, either (why she left) but that would make sense that she was feeling nauseous and needing to find somewhere to hurl.

And then, later, when she was at the Williams' house at 10:00pm, Taylor Williams says she "looked as if she'd been crying." Well, often after vomiting your eyes could look like you've been crying, with it causing tears and redness, right?

 

[SMK]

Good thought! I couldn't figure that one out, either (why she left) but that would make sense that she was feeling nauseous and needing to find somewhere to hurl.

And then, later, when she was at the Williams' house at 10:00pm, Taylor Williams says she "looked as if she'd been crying." Well, often after vomiting your eyes could look like you've been crying, with it causing tears and redness, right?

Good thinking!

 

[Salem]

In the first video, as she's leaving the store, is she talking on a phone? Would someone mind looking near the end of the video and sanity checking me?

Looks like her keys to me. You can see it right as she comes in the door.

Salem

 

[BeanE]

Good thought! I couldn't figure that one out, either (why she left) but that would make sense that she was feeling nauseous and needing to find somewhere to hurl.

And then, later, when she was at the Williams' house at 10:00pm, Taylor Williams says she "looked as if she'd been crying." Well, often after vomiting your eyes could look like you've been crying, with it causing tears and redness, right?

It just hit me like a ton of bricks. Maybe that's why all the pauses in driving. Carsick. Had to pull off to the side. Couldn't drive or she'd puke.

After a while she'd feel better, drive a little further, then nauseous again and have to pull over again until her stomach settled.

 

[Lipin One]

Speaking from my own experience, the few times I have bolted from a restaurant after ordering include:

(1)the time the clerk kept repeating the order over and over and over, as if she didn't understand me,

(2) the time it was taking way too long for the food to come,

(3) the time one of the clerks was giving me dirty looks,

(4) the time I noticed the food had been sitting way too long and it was dried and wrinkled and only kept warm by a heat lamp.

My point, that there could've been many reasons why she bolted out after paying for the food. It was only a hot dog and taters, so she couldn't have paid much. Whatever reason she left the food for was (to her) more worthwhile.

Being sick, after drinking, is understandably a good one.

 

[jmarple]

I can't find the previous post regarding SS being barefoot. I believe it was at the Williams' house, her last stop before the beach. Was she barefoot in the car on the beach? Was she sleeping barefoot when the water came up? Remember the car was on an OYSTER BED. Those oyster shells are sharp enough to cut feet. If they exited the car and tried to walk, she would not have been able to get far without a lot of pain.

As for how long it takes an adult body to wash ashore, her body may already have come ashore and then washed out again with the next tide. I have posted before regarding the hundreds of miles of beach in that area, not all are populated or even accessible by land. I still think a fly-over should be done at some point (soon). I think it would take even the Coast Guard many days to do a search of all the shorelines by boat. They may not want to expend the resources to do that. JMHO on all this.

 

[BeanE]

I'm not 100% convinced she was drinking all that much, Lipin.

"Mom hit her head"
possible nausea, vomiting
disorientation
frequent, long stops in vehicle
unable to follow simple directions

I think our girl might have had a nasty concussion. She may have had a few drinks too. I'm not a doctor, but those look like symptoms of a lady with a concussion to me. And those symptoms seem a bit too pronounced for the amount of alcohol we have evidence of.

Just because she may have been drinking, doesn't mean she couldn't have had a concussion too.

 

[SMK]

. . . I still think a fly-over should be done at some point (soon). I think it would take even the Coast Guard many days to do a search of all the shorelines by boat. They may not want to expend the resources to do that.. .

I guess I do not see why they would not be willing to do this, for a young person who died, for her family? It puzzles me.

 

[SMK]

I'm not 100% convinced she was drinking all that much, Lipin.

"Mom hit her head"
possible nausea, vomiting
disorientation
frequent, long stops in vehicle
unable to follow simple directions

I think our girl might have had a nasty concussion. She may have had a few drinks too. I'm not a doctor, but those look like symptoms of a lady with a concussion to me. And those symptoms seem a bit too pronounced for the amount of alcohol we have evidence of.

Just because she may have been drinking, doesn't mean she couldn't have had a concussion too.

You raise some good points.

 

[90Nine]

There is one sex offender who lives right next to the Gull Harbor Mercantile and within a two mile radius of the beach she was at.

http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54490&whichaddr=&SubmitAddrSearch=1&AddrStreet=8345+zangle+road&AddrCity=olympia%20wa&AddrState=48&AddrZip=98506&AddrZipPlus=

 

[jmarple]

I guess I do not see why they would not be willing to do this, for a young person who died, for her family? It puzzles me.

The son of a dear friend drowned in Lake Washington(near Seattle) a few years ago. It is a very cold lake,even in the summer, and the body did not surface. Local LE searched for a few days and then quit. Funeral services were held without a body. A friend of the family hired private divers who searched for several weeks and finally were able to retrieve the body. My point is, it is not unusual for the authorities to suspend searches and for private funds and individuals to do the searching, at least here in Western Washington. JMHO

 

[SMK]

The son of a dear friend drowned in Lake Washington(near Seattle) a few years ago. It is a very cold lake,even in the summer, and the body did not surface. Local LE searched for a few days and then quit. Funeral services were held without a body. A friend of the family hired private divers who searched for several weeks and finally were able to retrieve the body. My point is, it is not unusual for the authorities to suspend searches and for private funds and individuals to do the searching, at least here in Western Washington. JMHO

Sorry for your loss, and the loss of your friend. Thanks for this, see I did not know this, it has helped me understand. Thank you.