Me, too- It seems until that happens , the case is just frozen....I pray she is soon found. Too many questions and no answers
WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7
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Things to do in Missing Person Cases When There's No News:
- Go back through threads and collect what you think are the top ten important links in the case, make a list of them, and post them. These lists would be great for both those familiar with the case, as well as people new to the case.
- If there's no timeline for the case, create one and post it, or begin one that others could add to. Find the most recent timeline, update it, and post it. If an existing timeline doesn't need updating, check to see if it's been posted within the last three pages of the most recent thread, and if not, go ahead and post it again for people new to the case to read.
- Write up your own recap of the story of the case and post it. Great for people who are new to the case, plus you get to give a voice to the victim.
- Go back and collect the known facts of the case, along with their source links, and post them. If you don't have time to collect all of them, just do whatever you have time for, and ask for others to add to it.
- Write up your own theory of what happened in the case and post it. Great to get others thinking about and posting on the case, and bring attention to it.
- Find a picture of the victim that hasn't been posted for a while, and post it so there's always a face to put with the victim's name, reminding people that the victim is a real person.
- Research to see if there's an updated missing poster and post it or link to it so it can be printed and distributed.
- Add to this list of things to do and re-post it. Please send me your ideas too!
Just some ideas
Thanks!
BeanE
- Go back through threads and collect what you think are the top ten important links in the case, make a list of them, and post them. These lists would be great for both those familiar with the case, as well as people new to the case.
- If there's no timeline for the case, create one and post it, or begin one that others could add to. Find the most recent timeline, update it, and post it. If an existing timeline doesn't need updating, check to see if it's been posted within the last three pages of the most recent thread, and if not, go ahead and post it again for people new to the case to read.
- Write up your own recap of the story of the case and post it. Great for people who are new to the case, plus you get to give a voice to the victim.
- Go back and collect the known facts of the case, along with their source links, and post them. If you don't have time to collect all of them, just do whatever you have time for, and ask for others to add to it.
- Write up your own theory of what happened in the case and post it. Great to get others thinking about and posting on the case, and bring attention to it.
- Find a picture of the victim that hasn't been posted for a while, and post it so there's always a face to put with the victim's name, reminding people that the victim is a real person.
- Research to see if there's an updated missing poster and post it or link to it so it can be printed and distributed.
- Add to this list of things to do and re-post it. Please send me your ideas too!
Just some ideas
Thanks!
BeanE
Here's Shantina's archive album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shantina%20Smiley%20-%20Azriel%20Carver/
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shantina%20Smiley%20-%20Azriel%20Carver/
BeanE
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Such a beautiful, beautiful woman.
Thanks for posting that, Amanda.
Thanks for posting that, Amanda.
BeanE that was a great to do list thanks. It will help in all cases.
After the irratic path she took and where she ended up, I thought there would be so much more follow up searches or information. It always baffles me that a human can just disappear. Though I know eventually the human body finds a way to get discovered. At some point we'll have answers.
After the irratic path she took and where she ended up, I thought there would be so much more follow up searches or information. It always baffles me that a human can just disappear. Though I know eventually the human body finds a way to get discovered. At some point we'll have answers.
Here's Shantina's archive album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shantina%20Smiley%20-%20Azriel%20Carver/
Yes, I agree: This beautiful pic of Shantina reminds one again how important her disappearance really is. It has been only 2 months, and when you compare that to a whole human life, it is really nothing. I pray she is found, and that answers come, for her, her son, and her family.
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Friday March 12, 2010
Per NickiStarship:
When Asked:"Did you see Kat before she and Az left for CR? Did she seem ok to you? Was she unusually upset or distant in the hours or days before she left?"
Saturday March 13, 2010
2:00PM Shantina told relatives she would be getting off work.
4:15PM Robb rec'd 2 calls from Shantina - asked her to bring his phone chgr -
4:30PM Robb finishes BS training early - leaves for Castle Rock believing he is behind them -
5:00PM (Per LE) Shantina & Az left Silverdale (2hours 17 min - 126 mi)
6:45PM Shantina calls Robb from a "pay phone in NW Olympia" location unknown - c/o bad traffic -
6:45PM Robb - Toledo-Vader making repair (10 miles from Castle Rock).
7:30 to 8:00PM - Time SS step-sister C Woodard was expecting them to arrive in Castle Rock
7:40PM - Robb arrives at Brown's Home in Castle Rock
7:55PM Shantina and Az at Handy Pantry - Division St NW - wine, water purchase
8:04PM Shantina & Az at the Safeway Gas n Fast Stop - 'Harrison Ave NW' looked at map
9:00PM Robb called the WA State Police - Step father & Robb drove around the area to see if we could spot her. I called her Grandparents house in Brinnon with her Step fathers phone.
9:08PM SS and AZ at Martin Way Diner - "4th" Ave - paid for - but left without food - 'she seemed sleepy' Az said she bumped her head then she 'tripped in parking lot' "not serious" per LE Mealy
9:54PM Gull Harbor Mercantile - Boston Harbor Rd NE
10:10PM Williams Home 46th Ave NE - called GParents - Az ate pizza - told investigators that Smiley seemed out of sorts, but no more than would be normal for someone who was lost on an unfamiliar road." She called her grandfather in Brinnon. D Williams said she was here for under 10 minutes.
10:35PM Gull Harbor Mercantile - Boston Harbor Rd NE
10:39PM Low Tide 10:39 PM 1.7
11:00PM - ETA per TCSD - Boston Harbor (AKA Budd Inlet) Zangle Rd NE about 12 miles outside Olympia
Per NickiStarship:
When Asked:"Did you see Kat before she and Az left for CR? Did she seem ok to you? Was she unusually upset or distant in the hours or days before she left?"
Yeah. I saw them that Friday before I went to my birth mother's house for the weekend. Azriel was hugging me and telling me he loved me as usual. And my mom told me to make sure I come home and that she loved me and she'd see me Sunday night.
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2:00PM Shantina told relatives she would be getting off work.
4:15PM Robb rec'd 2 calls from Shantina - asked her to bring his phone chgr -
4:30PM Robb finishes BS training early - leaves for Castle Rock believing he is behind them -
5:00PM (Per LE) Shantina & Az left Silverdale (2hours 17 min - 126 mi)
6:45PM Shantina calls Robb from a "pay phone in NW Olympia" location unknown - c/o bad traffic -
6:45PM Robb - Toledo-Vader making repair (10 miles from Castle Rock).
7:30 to 8:00PM - Time SS step-sister C Woodard was expecting them to arrive in Castle Rock
7:40PM - Robb arrives at Brown's Home in Castle Rock
7:55PM Shantina and Az at Handy Pantry - Division St NW - wine, water purchase
8:04PM Shantina & Az at the Safeway Gas n Fast Stop - 'Harrison Ave NW' looked at map
9:00PM Robb called the WA State Police - Step father & Robb drove around the area to see if we could spot her. I called her Grandparents house in Brinnon with her Step fathers phone.
9:08PM SS and AZ at Martin Way Diner - "4th" Ave - paid for - but left without food - 'she seemed sleepy' Az said she bumped her head then she 'tripped in parking lot' "not serious" per LE Mealy
9:54PM Gull Harbor Mercantile - Boston Harbor Rd NE
10:10PM Williams Home 46th Ave NE - called GParents - Az ate pizza - told investigators that Smiley seemed out of sorts, but no more than would be normal for someone who was lost on an unfamiliar road." She called her grandfather in Brinnon. D Williams said she was here for under 10 minutes.
10:35PM Gull Harbor Mercantile - Boston Harbor Rd NE
10:39PM Low Tide 10:39 PM 1.7
11:00PM - ETA per TCSD - Boston Harbor (AKA Budd Inlet) Zangle Rd NE about 12 miles outside Olympia
12:00MN - When Smiley did not arrive at her stepfathers home in Castle Rock and no one heard from her - Simmons said he and Smiley' stepfather drove up and down the highway looking for her. They contacted police and put out a request to check on Smiley and her son.
Temperature 30* to 48*
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Sunday March 14, 2010
12:00AM cont: headed up I-5 to Olympia, we checked the two rest stops on the way back. Then my daughter and I got home got a couple hours sleep .
1:00AM Grindstaff's Home - Zangle Rd NE - Heard banging on side door.
6:10AM High tide 14.2
at day break, got a phone charger, recharged my phone, and went back up to Olympia and back to Castle Rock. Robb said - During this time I was in vigilant contact with the authorities for any information.
10:45AM - J Pribbenow - 911 Call - Doors are open early AM van seen "almost completely submerged"
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-031610-audio-search,0,2743159.mp3file
11:15AM LE on scene - Robb said We went to get a bit to eat, when I received a phone call from the Thurston County Sheriff’s office. The had found the Van. I immediately headed out there, as usual camera in hand.
12:27PM - Low Tide 4.1
5:30PM I spent about 6 hours on the location talking to the detectives. I left there around 5:30, and had to make numerous stops to field phone calls from numerous sources, including the media.
8:00PM I stopped at my children's mother house to sit with them.
Temperature 27*- 49*
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Monday March 15, 2010
Temperature 38*- 62*
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Tuesday March 16, 2010
Jay Carver arrived at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport from New York late Tuesday
Temperature 38* - 57*
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Wednesday March 17, 2010
Temperature 32*- 54*
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Thursday March 18, 2010
2:00 PM - A body later Identified as that of Azriel Carver found on Fox Island
Temperature 27* - 54*
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Friday March 19, 2010
The Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office performed an autopsy Friday morning. Azriel Carver died of drowning, which was ruled accidental.
Temperature 28* - 62*
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Saturday March 20, 2010
No new information. Det. Mealy of TCSO : Now that Azriel’s body has been found, the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office’s predominate theory - though not the only one - is that Shantina never got off the beach and wound up in the water, too. There have been no sightings and the bloodhounds didn’t pick up any scents away from the beach.
Temperature 28* - 70*
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Sunday March 21, 2010
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Monday March 22, 2010
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Tuesday March 23, 2010
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Wednesday March 24, 2010
A memorial service for Azriel James Carver was held at the Brinnon Community Church. Pastor Bill Reid told those gathered; "Azriel, accomplished his mission, by touching lives from Buffalo - where his father Jay Carver lives - to Brinnon, where he often came to stay with his great-grandparents Silas and Dolly Smith - a brief life is not an incomplete one.”
_______________________________________________________________
Saturday April 17, 2010
On April 17, 2010 a memorial to honor the life of Shantina Smiley; a young woman who worked hard to overcome a difficult start in life - a young mother who had come so far in accomplishing just that.
Family and friends gathered to remember her as a young woman known for “that smile”. Including her daughter Nicky Simmons; who Shantina always inspired to reach for her dreams. “I’m never going to forget that smile,” Nicky said.
“She was a joy, and she loved me and her grandfather,” said Shantina's grandmother Dolly Smith, “She loved Robb with all her heart. She love Azriel so much. She was a good mother to him.”
Shantina's co leader, Laura Brown, said she had “love - like a cloud surrounding her” and the scouts all testified to Shantina’s warm heart for kids in general.
Members of Cub Scout Pack 4544, were present when the “Spirit of the Eagle” was awarded to Azriel, by the Boy Scouts of America .
Detective Sgt. Cheryl Stines TCSO said there are no new leads in the disappearance of Shantina. The sheriff’s office will still try to recover her body for the sake of the family.
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Thank you AmandaReckonwith, your album is incredible!
Photo's, video's and reports:
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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA WA-Shantina Smiley, 29, Msg & Azriel Carver, 8, found deceased, #7 - comment by Nicki re Fri 3/12/10
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/topic/shantina-smiley/
http://www.accuweather.com/us/wa/olympia/98501/forecast-month.asp?mnyr=3-01-2010
Temperature 30* to 48*
_____________________________________________________________
Sunday March 14, 2010
12:00AM cont: headed up I-5 to Olympia, we checked the two rest stops on the way back. Then my daughter and I got home got a couple hours sleep .
1:00AM Grindstaff's Home - Zangle Rd NE - Heard banging on side door.
6:10AM High tide 14.2
at day break, got a phone charger, recharged my phone, and went back up to Olympia and back to Castle Rock. Robb said - During this time I was in vigilant contact with the authorities for any information.
10:45AM - J Pribbenow - 911 Call - Doors are open early AM van seen "almost completely submerged"
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-031610-audio-search,0,2743159.mp3file
11:15AM LE on scene - Robb said We went to get a bit to eat, when I received a phone call from the Thurston County Sheriff’s office. The had found the Van. I immediately headed out there, as usual camera in hand.
12:27PM - Low Tide 4.1
5:30PM I spent about 6 hours on the location talking to the detectives. I left there around 5:30, and had to make numerous stops to field phone calls from numerous sources, including the media.
8:00PM I stopped at my children's mother house to sit with them.
Temperature 27*- 49*
__________________________________________
Monday March 15, 2010
Temperature 38*- 62*
____________________________________
Tuesday March 16, 2010
Jay Carver arrived at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport from New York late Tuesday
Temperature 38* - 57*
____________________________________________
Wednesday March 17, 2010
Temperature 32*- 54*
__________________________________________
Thursday March 18, 2010
2:00 PM - A body later Identified as that of Azriel Carver found on Fox Island
Temperature 27* - 54*
_______________________________________
Friday March 19, 2010
The Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office performed an autopsy Friday morning. Azriel Carver died of drowning, which was ruled accidental.
Temperature 28* - 62*
___________________________________________________
Saturday March 20, 2010
No new information. Det. Mealy of TCSO : Now that Azriel’s body has been found, the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office’s predominate theory - though not the only one - is that Shantina never got off the beach and wound up in the water, too. There have been no sightings and the bloodhounds didn’t pick up any scents away from the beach.
Temperature 28* - 70*
___________________________________________________
Sunday March 21, 2010
_______________________________________________
Monday March 22, 2010
__________________________________________
Tuesday March 23, 2010
__________________________________________
Wednesday March 24, 2010
A memorial service for Azriel James Carver was held at the Brinnon Community Church. Pastor Bill Reid told those gathered; "Azriel, accomplished his mission, by touching lives from Buffalo - where his father Jay Carver lives - to Brinnon, where he often came to stay with his great-grandparents Silas and Dolly Smith - a brief life is not an incomplete one.”
_______________________________________________________________
Saturday April 17, 2010
On April 17, 2010 a memorial to honor the life of Shantina Smiley; a young woman who worked hard to overcome a difficult start in life - a young mother who had come so far in accomplishing just that.
Family and friends gathered to remember her as a young woman known for “that smile”. Including her daughter Nicky Simmons; who Shantina always inspired to reach for her dreams. “I’m never going to forget that smile,” Nicky said.
“She was a joy, and she loved me and her grandfather,” said Shantina's grandmother Dolly Smith, “She loved Robb with all her heart. She love Azriel so much. She was a good mother to him.”
Shantina's co leader, Laura Brown, said she had “love - like a cloud surrounding her” and the scouts all testified to Shantina’s warm heart for kids in general.
Members of Cub Scout Pack 4544, were present when the “Spirit of the Eagle” was awarded to Azriel, by the Boy Scouts of America .
Detective Sgt. Cheryl Stines TCSO said there are no new leads in the disappearance of Shantina. The sheriff’s office will still try to recover her body for the sake of the family.
________________________________________________
Thank you AmandaReckonwith, your album is incredible!
Photo's, video's and reports:
Originally Posted by AmandaReckonwith
Here's Shantina's archive album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...riel%20Carver/
________________________________________________________
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA WA-Shantina Smiley, 29, Msg & Azriel Carver, 8, found deceased, #7 - comment by Nicki re Fri 3/12/10
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/topic/shantina-smiley/
http://www.accuweather.com/us/wa/olympia/98501/forecast-month.asp?mnyr=3-01-2010
BeanE
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Wowie LCoast! Excellent, excellent work! Thank you sooooo much!
:blowkiss:
My puny contributions:
- Here's the link to NickyStarShip's post you quoted:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA WA-Shantina Smiley, 29, Msg & Azriel Carver, 8, found deceased, #7
- I think you meant finishes BS *training* early
:blowkiss:
My puny contributions:
- Here's the link to NickyStarShip's post you quoted:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA WA-Shantina Smiley, 29, Msg & Azriel Carver, 8, found deceased, #7
- I think you meant finishes BS *training* early
LCoastMom
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Wowie LCoast! Excellent, excellent work! Thank you sooooo much!
:blowkiss:
My puny contributions:
- Here's the link to NickyStarShip's post you quoted:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA WA-Shantina Smiley, 29, Msg & Azriel Carver, 8, found deceased, #7
- I think you meant finishes BS *training* early
BBM: Oops, Yup that's exactly what I meant,
thank you and for the link I forgot. I know there are others who also have information and links they may want to add. I hope it helps.
Is there any way to find out from LE if they are pursuing any leads or if this case is closed - pending Shantina's body turning up? How would one go about asking them? Anyone from the media care to give LE a call?
ETA: By the way, great job on the timeline LCoastMom!!
ETA: By the way, great job on the timeline LCoastMom!!
Excellent timeline LCoastMom! I wish I could fit that into the album.
One thing though... the people that heard banging at their home, are CG and RG , Island View Dr, not Zangle Rd.
One thing though... the people that heard banging at their home, are CG and RG , Island View Dr, not Zangle Rd.
That is an interesting question. I have come to feel that the case is cold, and as the family does not want the lake searched, nothing can happen until (if/when) Shantina surfaces, which I pray will be soon. I have a feeling LE would not be too forthcoming about anything, but it sure would be worth a try...
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Actually I am rather surprised that we never saw more in depth witness reports from the people at the places they stopped that night. I would have thought the media would have have sought these people out by now. Of course LE could have asked them not to talk I suppose or I could have just missed them.
Their multiple stops that night leave me so baffled still.
Their multiple stops that night leave me so baffled still.
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SMK --- This did not happen on a lake - it happened in Puget Sound - impossible to search - it is huge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puget_Sound
Cubby, the couple that heard banging on their house has been in the media, both print and video interviews.
So have the couple that owns the property, and the woman who found items on the beach.
This might be a dumb question...
Is the Puget Sound known for bodies being lost for a long time?
I know that searching it would be impossible due to the size and shoreline area. But if anything, this is the season people will be out more, boating and walking on the beaches and shores.
eta-
From luckyducky's link:
Its average depth is 205 feet (62 m) and its maximum depth, off Point Jefferson between Indianola and Kingston, is 930 feet (280 m).
Holy cow that is deep.
So have the couple that owns the property, and the woman who found items on the beach.
This might be a dumb question...
Is the Puget Sound known for bodies being lost for a long time?
I know that searching it would be impossible due to the size and shoreline area. But if anything, this is the season people will be out more, boating and walking on the beaches and shores.
eta-
From luckyducky's link:
Its average depth is 205 feet (62 m) and its maximum depth, off Point Jefferson between Indianola and Kingston, is 930 feet (280 m).
Holy cow that is deep.
Yes, it is deep!
The currents in Puget Sound are rapid and lead directly to the Pacific Ocean. Her body could have passed out of the Sound in just a few weeks. But, it is possible with people boating and walking the beaches, that she might be found on one of the islands.
OK, I see. I just thought that since those marine biologists offer that sonar search for free, and have had so much luck, it might work. But yes, Puget Sound must be very difficult to search, I concede.....And if she went into the Pacific Ocean, then she will likely never surface.
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