WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[Allusonz]

With all due respect, it is the defense's job to create reasonable doubt to whatever the prosecution brings up. It is not the defense's job to prove they did not do it. that is how it is in the USA. Is it that way also in Italy? If so, the defense doesn't need to prove anything, just refute what's presented. The defense goes above and beyond when they start proving things. Which is fine and good for them, but it's really not their legal responibility.

With all due respect, if a journalists is making observations based on factual pictures, that's not hearsay. That's an interpretation of the crime scene. I don't know what journalist you're referring to, but I'm just saying. I've seen bloggers or whomever theorize, but that's different than when crime scene patholigists, like I think Hardy claims to be, analyzes a crime scene.

True

I have often thought that either the Motivational Report to be the most inept piece of reasoning for a conviction or:

It was a brilliant document which set up the ability for the ability to overturn the convictions.

I flip back and forth on this theory of mine constantly

 

[otto]

darn why would he use the front door then :giggle:

The court concluded that he did use the front door.:giggle:

:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

 

[Allusonz]

There have been a couple of requests for media articles describing Rudy scaling 2 story walls with rocks to enter a law office. The wall has been described as identical to that of the cottage. I searched the net for info ... couldn't find it ... so if someone has a link to a media article, I think many are interested. As it stands, it seems to be rumor and gossip.

Actually, he did a very similar burglery and it is in the testimony

 

[otto]

Actually, he did a very similar burglery and it is in the testimony

Please provide a link. Saying it is true and then ignoring requests by those that want to verify the information is ... strange.

 

[Allusonz]

The court concluded that he did use the front door.:giggle:

:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

My quirky sense of humour won out again lol :giggle: :giggle:

 

[wasnt_me]

What do you mean 'leap'?

So if you were INVOLVED in a murder and walking to or standing AT the crime scene... would you be nervous if you saw any police person in the vicinity???

I say the 'leap' is not thinking this would be so.

Oh, I'd be nervous, but I sure as hell wouldn't be calling them to come over there to where I'm at, because i'm probably trying to control this as long as I can.

 

[Nova]

Interesting ... so the cottage was really just a college dorm and it was normal for the front door to be wide open. Therefore, there was no reason for Amanda, Laura, Filomina and Meredith to be alarmed if the front door of their home was wide open when no one appeared to be home. What next?

Here's an example of the black and white thinking I referred to a few posts back.

Several of us have mentioned the lax security we've encountered in college residences, the point being that AK might have been curious, annoyed, cautious or puzzled by the open front door, but she wouldn't necessarily leap to the conclusion that someone had been murdered. In response, a pro-verdict poster restates our remarks as "no reason ... to be alarmed" at a "wide open" door.

 

[SMK]

I think there is a more important question in this. When you have someone that has entered a premise 6 times in 33 days, is found to have stolen items as well as break and enter items in a backpack (which leads me to believe these may only be the times they are aware of and there possibly be even more) why would ILE not investigate him further. They had more on RG from these than they did of AK yet never arrested him, took him in for questioning, etc. Something is very wrong with this scenerio

Right---and THIS is what led people to deduce - quite reasonably, I think - that Rudy was a drug informant for the Polizia.

 

[wasnt_me]

I know don't the practice in Seattle, but there are large cities in the U.S. where police won't even respond to simple break-ins. They're just too busy. Instead they tell the victim to drop by the station some time and fill out a report.

In Atlanta, GA, I had a break in twice at my townhouse rental property and both times the police took at least a half an hour. And my renter DID want to leave and come back, but I told him to wait there until I got there or the police got there, because he couldn't keep leaving the house open and unattended witht he back door busted open.

 

[otto]

Here's an example of the black and white thinking I referred to a few posts back.

Several of us have mentioned the lax security we've encountered in college residences, the point being that AK might have been curious, annoyed, cautious or puzzled by the open front door, but she wouldn't necessarily leap to the conclusion that someone had been murdered. In response, a pro-verdict poster restates our remarks as "no reason ... to be alarmed" at a "wide open" door.

Amanda testified that the door was wide open. I hope we can agree on that. Therefore, describing the front door as "wide open" is accurate and correct.

I get it ... Amanda was living in Italy with two professionals, but she confusedly expected the same lifestyle as living in a dorm in Seattle. I agree with that. Amanda used her home as a drug den and a place to bring men she met while out and about.

 

[otto]

Right---and THIS is what led people to deduce - quite reasonably, I think - that Rudy was a drug informant for the Polizia.

Is that more rumor and gossip, or is there a link for that?

 

[wasnt_me]

No burgler in their right mind would scale that window (especially one that had seen the layout of the cottage) when a simple entry point would have been in the back on the balcony.

Is anywhere here saying that RG was in his right mind?

 

[Allusonz]

Please provide a link. Saying it is true and then ignoring requests by those that want to verify the information is ... strange.

Guede also carried out another break-in at the offices of a local lawyer in Perugia and at the end of October he was arrested in Milan after breaking into a school.
There he was found in possession of a laptop and mobile stolen in the burglaries as well as a large flick knife, but he was freed and made his way back to Perugia where he met Meredith


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...er-begins-30-year-sentence.html#ixzz1Iy6FY9Jw

 

[Allusonz]

Please provide a link. Saying it is true and then ignoring requests by those that want to verify the information is ... strange.

Late on the night of October 13, 2007, a couple of blocks from the house where Kercher was murdered, Guede broke into a law office and stole a Nokia cellphone and Sony Vaio computer. He smashed a window about 10 feet above the ground with a large rock, then scaled the wall, unlatched the window and crawled in. Two weeks later, the computer was in his possession when he was found in a nursery school in Milan. There, Maria Antonietta Salvadori del Prado, the school administrator, discovered him asleep in her office. "He was very serene and explained that he had been told that for €50 he could sleep here for the night," she told the court

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-27/at-knox-trial-the-killer-speaks/#

 

[otto]

Guede also carried out another break-in at the offices of a local lawyer in Perugia and at the end of October he was arrested in Milan after breaking into a school.
There he was found in possession of a laptop and mobile stolen in the burglaries as well as a large flick knife, but he was freed and made his way back to Perugia where he met Meredith


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...er-begins-30-year-sentence.html#ixzz1Iy6FY9Jw

That appears to be the same media outlet that you claimed was not legit ... but never mind ... I agree, by the way.

Where does it say that he scaled a 2 story wall identical to the wall of the cottage or broke a window with a rock?

 

[Nova]

In Atlanta, GA, I had a break in twice at my townhouse rental property and both times the police took at least a half an hour. And my renter DID want to leave and come back, but I told him to wait there until I got there or the police got there, because he couldn't keep leaving the house open and unattended witht he back door busted open.

It depends on the neighborhood, but I've had several friends who couldn't get L.A. police to respond to break-ins where no one was hurt and the amount stolen was relatively minimal. Another friend went out to her car in a parking lot and found a confused, elderly man had driven his own car UP ON TOP OF HERS and was sitting up there, revving his engine. She called 911 and they told her to call a tow truck, the police were busy.

Now none of this happened in Perugia, where they have policemen available to return lost cell phones. I think the point was just that not everyone reacts to a break-in with hysteria. Once the murder was discovered, things changed quickly, of course.

 

[Allusonz]

That appears to be the same media outlet that you claimed was not legit ... but never mind ... I agree, by the way.

Where does it say that he scaled a 2 story wall identical to the wall of the cottage or broke a window with a rock?

Late on the night of October 13, 2007, a couple of blocks from the house where Kercher was murdered, Guede broke into a law office and stole a Nokia cellphone and Sony Vaio computer. He smashed a window about 10 feet above the ground with a large rock, then scaled the wall, unlatched the window and crawled in. Two weeks later, the computer was in his possession when he was found in a nursery school in Milan. There, Maria Antonietta Salvadori del Prado, the school administrator, discovered him asleep in her office. "He was very serene and explained that he had been told that for €50 he could sleep here for the night," she told the court

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...iller-speaks/#

 

[wasnt_me]

So the kitchen knife used during the murder was previously used to cut bread?
(ref: Frank's blog)

That's what they said. Someone else had theorized it might have cut pasta. Either way, they theorize that the starch would have absorbed blood or DNA.

 

[otto]

Late on the night of October 13, 2007, a couple of blocks from the house where Kercher was murdered, Guede broke into a law office and stole a Nokia cellphone and Sony Vaio computer. He smashed a window about 10 feet above the ground with a large rock, then scaled the wall, unlatched the window and crawled in. Two weeks later, the computer was in his possession when he was found in a nursery school in Milan. There, Maria Antonietta Salvadori del Prado, the school administrator, discovered him asleep in her office. "He was very serene and explained that he had been told that for €50 he could sleep here for the night," she told the court

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-27/at-knox-trial-the-killer-speaks/#

Thank you. So, using a rock, he smashed a window 10 feet above the ground, but we don't know anything about the wall.

 

[SMK]

Cannot find Otto's post so am not quoting, but this is @OTTO as per his request about where it is stated that Rudy Guede has a history of burglary, unlawful entry, etc.

Sentence of the Court of Assizes of Perugia
Presided over by Dr. Giancarlo Massei
In the Murder of Meredith Kercher
pp. 45-48

Truly ALARMING that Massei would then DARE to say "even if one accepts Rudy Guede did enact these crimes"---if that does not reek of "police informant protection"--ugh. You and Sherlock seem to read the motivation through rose-colored glasses. Read it, it will not be copy/pasted.