Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[mollymalone]

Yep, Molly I saw the interview. They kept dabbing their dry eyes with tissues.

They're so used to lying and manipulating that they don't seem to realize that we're not all going to fall for it.

 

[SuziQ]

Thanks for the link!!

Regarding Sarah:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8941294
One night, shortly before midnight, child welfare workers came into the dorm where the mothers with small children were and told this specific Sarah that she and her baby had to leave. In a phone call later, Sarah told other mothers she and her baby were sent to a house, alone, at Fort Concho, Annette and other women said.

On Tuesday, 51st District Judge Barbara Walther rejected an attempt by this Sarah's family to have her recognized as an adult so she could be represented by a private attorney rather than an attorney ad litem.

I hope that means the authorities have her and are putting up a smokescreen to protect her.

 

[LinasK]

I hope that means the authorities have her and are putting up a smokescreen to protect her.

Yeah, wouldn't those two statements indicate the authorities know who she is??? How could her parents file if they didn't give her full name? At least her so-called parents would be identified. It sounds like they live in another FLDS clan and sent her off to live in Texas.

 

[philamena]

No sympathy from me either....
All I seen was pathetic, miserable attempts to conceal what has been happening there. When they started saying this is the USA & look what is happening to us? I wanted to slap them & say your not a part of the USA you live in a compound & it is 'your choice' to brutalize the kids.

Hey cheko!
Ditto what you said.

 

[gitana1]

I have been researching and reading about the FLDS at Colorado City and Hilldale for several years. I have read every book, gone to every website and I even have had a friend in AZ mail me copies of every newspaper article she can find about the FLDS for a few years now. I'm obsessed. Problem is, most people know nothing about this cult. Just lurking on this thread, I have seen a few people immediately jump to the religious freedom and/or government trampling the rights of its citizens to live as they choose arguments, stating that what CPS and the State of Texas has done is overkill, or that the rights of the many adults in YFZ should come before the rights of children who are merely suspected of being abused, because it is only suspected. And this from members of a site that advocates for children and knows more about child abuse than most! I have noticed that as people on the thread become more educated about the FLDS and what is going on in Eldorado and why Jeffs built this compound there, the people here who jumped to the defense of the cult have sort of quieted. For example, I remember one poster agreeing she had heard of the Lost Boys but that she would disregard "biased" reports. After more info about these boys came out on the thread and the eveidence became overwhelming that they acutally exist (they have filed lawsuits against the FLDS and have cooperated with the attorney general in Utah against the FLDS), the poster did not repeat her scepticism about this form of abuse. The problem is, out there in the larger world, people will not educate themselves. They will not read this thread. They will only see the pictures and videos of sweetly smiling women who seem to be crying for their beloved children and who seem to live a wholesome life from a better time, and the public may begin to really side with these nuts. That scares me, because I have seen what public pressure can do in a situation like this. I am so afraid that Texas will cave in as the PR campaign of the FLDS heats up. And make no mistake, these people are wacky but they are not stupid. They have fought for years to preserve their fiefdom and have largely succeeded for the most part, even despite the latest pushes form the AZ and UT governments to reign them in. These people are scary. Sexual and horrific physical abuse of small children is rampant in the FLDS. It is part of the culture. I believe it was Warren Jeffs' brother who tied a cow down in front of a group of school children and slowly cut off its head in front of a group of small school children to teach them obedience. One of a few displays of animal torture he thought would be good to show the kids. Here's a couple of quotes from God's Brothel by Andrea Moore Emmett: "The high prevelance of pedophile behavior dominates the culture while the victims are forced to revere their abusers. 'It would be difficult to pull a girl out of Colorado City who hasn't been sexually assulted...I know girls as young as 12 years old who have been forced to marry their stepfathers.' When Laura was four, one of her stepbrothers tied her to a bedpost and attmepted to rape her. 'Afterward, I was crying. My father told me he would slap me until I stopped crying, which he proceeded to do...My mother made herself busy in the kiichen so she wouldn't have to watch.' Besides the sexual abuse endured by girls, they're also condemned to a life of virutal slavery..." Pg. 93.

 

[gitana1]

Here's another: "Beatings by her father and one of his four wives were common occurrences. Laura and her siblings suffered welts over minor infractions. 'No mother can protect her own child from the other mothers'. Born the 25th of her father's 31 children, Laura's earliest memories are of molestation and rape by her father when her mother was gone..."He would enter my room at night. I would wake up to his perverted acts, trembling in fear for hours after he left. That lasted until I was 13' Between the ages of 13 and 15, she was rountinely fondled by some of her brothers. 'When I confided to my mom...we had to go to my father about it...she said "Your father says we have to let (brothers) be who they're going to be."'"
"It is a community that preaches, 'You can all but kill a child for deliberately disobeying.'" 'I can remember being suicidal as far back as age six but not knwoing how to do it.' Laura recalls." On her 16th birthday, her father took her for a ride in his Cadillac because it was time for her 'Sexuality Lessons'..." Pg. 94.
It is not just a couple of disgruntled women making these allegations. There are dozens, not to mention the tons of Lost Boys. AZ and UT have known for decades that this is a culture of domestic violence and child abuse, and, as a closed society, it is almost impossible for women or children to get help. Carolyn Jessop is one of the few women who was able to escape with her children. Many who tried lost their children when they could not afford, or did not know how to fight against the wealthy FLDS and their powerful lawyers and a legal system that was somewhat sympathetic for years to its fundamentalist cousins.
I think the authorities in Texas had educated themselves when they realized who had come to their state and they were determined not to put up with the nonsense, especially the "Bleeding of the Beast." They waited patiently for their chance and took it. But I think they knew what they were going to do and had organized long before. I applaud them. I believe they knew about Jeff's "Blood atonment" preaching and how it could not be implemented until a special temple was built. I think they knew about the whisperings of the threat of mass suicide. All of this is a reality with this group and Texas was not having the blood of so many kids on its hands. Good for Texas. But, like I said above, I am concerned about the lack of education of the populous about the FLDS and about its well-trained PR machine. I worry that Texas will begin backing down. We have slavery in this country. We have the Taliban. We have what is basically a sex-trafficking ring in which minor children are a part. This is not inflammatory language, it's a reality and it's happening in Eldorado, Colorado City and Hilldale and it needs to be stopped.
Here's an interesting clip which I am not sure has been posted here yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYUCHlFrv1I&feature=related

 

[Floh]

I have been researching and reading about the FLDS at Colorado City and Hilldale for several years. I have read every book, gone to every website and I even have had a friend in AZ mail me copies of every newspaper article she can find about the FLDS for a few years now. I'm obsessed. Problem is, most people know nothing about this cult. Just lurking on this thread, I have seen a few people immediately jump to the religious freedom and/or government trampling the rights of its citizens to live as they choose arguments, stating that what CPS and the State of Texas has done is overkill, or that the rights of the many adults in YFZ should come before the rights of children who are merely suspected of being abused, because it is only suspected. And this from members of a site that advocates for children and knows more about child abuse than most! I have noticed that as people on the thread become more educated about the FLDS and what is going on in Eldorado and why Jeffs built this compound there, the people here who jumped to the defense of the cult have sort of quieted. For example, I remember one poster agreeing she had heard of the Lost Boys but that she would disregard "biased" reports. After more info about these boys came out on the thread and the eveidence became overwhelming that they acutally exist (they have filed lawsuits against the FLDS and have cooperated with the attorney general in Utah against the FLDS), the poster did not repeat her scepticism about this form of abuse. The problem is, out there in the larger world, people will not educate themselves. They will not read this thread. They will only see the pictures and videos of sweetly smiling women who seem to be crying for their beloved children and who seem to live a wholesome life from a better time, and the public may begin to really side with these nuts. That scares me, because I have seen what public pressure can do in a situation like this. I am so afraid that Texas will cave in as the PR campaign of the FLDS heats up. And make no mistake, these people are wacky but they are not stupid. They have fought for years to preserve their fiefdom and have largely succeeded for the most part, even despite the latest pushes form the AZ and UT governments to reign them in. These people are scary. Sexual and horrific physical abuse of small children is rampant in the FLDS. It is part of the culture. I believe it was Warren Jeffs' brother who tied a cow down in front of a group of school children and slowly cut off its head in front of a group of small school children to teach them obedience. One of a few displays of animal torture he thought would be good to show the kids. Here's a couple of quotes from God's Brothel by Andrea Moore Emmett: "The high prevelance of pedophile behavior dominates the culture while the victims are forced to revere their abusers. 'It would be difficult to pull a girl out of Colorado City who hasn't been sexually assulted...I know girls as young as 12 years old who have been forced to marry their stepfathers.' When Laura was four, one of her stepbrothers tied her to a bedpost and attmepted to rape her. 'Afterward, I was crying. My father told me he would slap me until I stopped crying, which he proceeded to do...My mother made herself busy in the kiichen so she wouldn't have to watch.' Besides the sexual abuse endured by girls, they're also condemned to a life of virutal slavery..." Pg. 93.

The tragedy is, everything you have said here is true gitana.

 

[Leila]

On Greta's show last night, it was said those 6 whom went to the women's shelter are also back at the compound. When they didn't immediately get the kid's back because they were at the shelter, they left it.

I saw the interview on Greta last night, and I question if it's truthful because of the source.

The information about the 6 women who went to the shelter came from the FLDS attorney. He stated he was not a member of the FLDS, just their attorney. He said that the 6 women who went to the shelter did so because they thought that by going to the shelter it would facilitate getting their children back sooner. He said the women retained attorneys, and once they learned that they would not get their children back sooner, left the shelter.

As I said, because the source of this info is from a FLDS attorney, I don't trust it's accuracy. I want to hear it from CPS or someone in authority before accepting it as valid.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

"After FLDS mothers of children over 4 were separated from their children, 51 of those women returned to their homes at the Yearning For Zion Ranch while six initially went to an area safe house to stay. Those six women have since returned to their homes.


San Angelo attorney Amy Hennington said she received a call from the women at the shelter Monday evening, asking her to take them back to the ranch. "They had been told that they would get their children back quicker if they went to the shelter, but they soon found out that was not true," said Hennington, who is representing FLDS fathers in the custody case. "They were very glad to go home."


http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695271031,00.html

 

[Leila]

Thanks for the link!!

Regarding Sarah:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8941294
One night, shortly before midnight, child welfare workers came into the dorm where the mothers with small children were and told this specific Sarah that she and her baby had to leave. In a phone call later, Sarah told other mothers she and her baby were sent to a house, alone, at Fort Concho, Annette and other women said.

On Tuesday, 51st District Judge Barbara Walther rejected an attempt by this Sarah's family to have her recognized as an adult so she could be represented by a private attorney rather than an attorney ad litem.

I wonder if this is the Sarah who made the call? Because the information is coming from FLDS women, I wonder about it's accuracy.

In the article linked.......it mentions Joni Holm. Joni Holm lives in Salt Lake City, and she and her husband have been active in providing foster care to young teens who escape from the FLDS.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

From Same article

Walther has jurisdiction in both counties as well as other outlying areas. She is the same judge who authorized the two search warrants and also ordered that all children be removed from the Fundamentalist LDS Church's ranch in Eldorado.

This has GOTTA work in the states favor that they are getting the same judge who ordered the children be removed, and ordered the search warrents.

 

[golfmom]

What a crock of poo-poo ... a child does not have to be legally recognized as an adult to have a private attorney.

Do they think we're stupid?

 

[LinasK]

What a crock of poo-poo ... a child does not have to be legally recognized as an adult to have a private attorney.

Do they think we're stupid?

They want her legally recognized as an adult, so that they cannot be prosecuted for an underage marriage. If she was an "adult", she is of age to be married, that's their true agenda...

 

[2XL]

From what I read it depends on the sect they belong to or if they belong to one.

This group has ahem.. a rather different way of deciding who sleeps with whom and where.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy576.html
life of a sister wife.

Some of what I read about this group of FLDS Jessop said that she had her own room as did the other wives.

I read the article and that is just some of the strangest schitt I have ever read.

 

[golfmom]

They want her legally recognized as an adult, so that they cannot be prosecuted for an underage marriage. If she was an "adult", she is of age to be married, that's their true agenda...

That's exactly what I was thinking too!

 

[Moe]

I'm obsessing over this case, I guess because the more I learn the more disgusted I am that this is happening in the United States and has been for years. I pray for the children, and hope tomorrow will set them on a path to freedom.
Does anyone have the link to the Sister Wifes message board that was posted here? I would love to spend some time reviewing that.

 

[golfmom]

I was thinking and it occurred to me that these people have really been preparing for the event since the Short Creek Raid. It's almost as if they are gleefully playing the roles of martyrs. The church sanctions lying to "gentiles" to suit themselves and they don't even worry about keeping the stories straight.

I really think that this is going to get ugly fast.

 

[sherri79]

i think by sending mothers home unless they have children under 4 may have a hidden benefit for the state. all the women sent home would be over 18 but with no children under 4. this would mostly leave the younger mothers but weed out the older women that act as enforcers.

 

[LinasK]

i think by sending mothers home unless they have children under 4 may have a hidden benefit for the state. all the women sent home would be over 18 but with no children under 4. this would mostly leave the younger mothers but weed out the older women that act as enforcers.

I hope you're right!

 

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