Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #4

[mysteriew]

I most definitely and most assuredly will not be sending a donation! I sure wish they had included an email addy though.............would love to tell them what I think of them!

LOL, I have been thinking of purchasing a Monopoly game just for situations such as this. All that lovely fake money, to send to all these "unjustly accused."

 

[LionRun]

:clap: Excellent post!

Thank you so much, Leila.

Lion

 

[froggierintexas]

Hi! I do too.

I have been reading all of the posts. I can see some great compassion and thought put into many of the posts. I think I could write a book on what I feel and think about it, so I will leave it to y'all. Thank you to everyone who has provided links to information, articles, photos and video. I have learned so much.

 

[mysteriew]

Check out the comments in the blog. They are asking for "information guerillas" talking about "resistance" and say they will provide training.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/2008/04/short_creek_redux_colorado_cit.php

 

[mysteriew]

The number of children has now gone from 416 to 437.
http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695272744,00.html

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Gosh - great posts, everyone: these last 5 or 6 pages is like reading a continuing gripping true-life story. I'm addicted to this background...

Philamena: :clap: I feel you captured the bottom line right here:

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE PREDATOR WAS A TEEN OR AN ADULT OR A FRIGGIN BABY SITTER.....SINCE she was only 13 when this happened, a SEXUAL PREDATOR ABUSED HER.
WHY don't you understand that?

THERE WILL NEVER, EVER BE AN EXCUSE OR REASON TO ACCEPT SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD THAT IS A MINOR.

There is a reason you use such dogged determination when taking up for sexual predators. I find that very scary.

Linask: The factual logic and completely transparent insight of your posts screams 'total understanding'. To me, your posts offer calm and uncomplaining - yet very bravely experienced insight re the psyche / affects of all of this. More power to you esp thru all you've experienced! I certainly don't mean to patronize.

Flowerchild & Leila: That was excellent reading - wow ... Flower's detailed "tell it like it is" posts and Leila's concise fact-sheet, earlier on. Thank you. Things that defy human understanding are (despite still shockingly unbelievable to me) have been given (tragic) form and shape in all of this. My word...

mysteriew: Good lord, to me your commentary and keeping up the debate with such passion to breakthrough (perceived, contrite or totally unintentional) barriers forces me to read responses!!

LionRun - agreed with this post of yours

There are some foster homes in Texas and other states where sexual, physical, and emotional abuse occur. I agree. But, that is not the case with most foster homes. Many children have a chance in the foster care system. I believe there is a 100% chance that any child raised within the FLDS compound will suffer at least one type of abuse. Some may never heal.

and your more recent comment:

And, I hope that the leaders of that cult face justice head on.

Ca-Sun: Again, feel I'm on your same page with this:

FLDS is nothing more than a cult, run by power hungry pedophiles. IMO

Glow: (hee hee, just had to make your color 'glow', lol...). While your passion and determination is very clear, I'm not sure of where the sense of loss or let down is that you clearly have (please note, just my perception).

Is it with FLDS, CPS, ACLU, LE, humanity, religion, the media reports, the "invasion" into lives we should not worry about or is it babies and toddlers taken from nursing / weaning / natural moms? Is it about breaking up families? Is it that the outside world is breaking into places they shouldn't go (in your opinion - just as this is my confusion). While I don't think you're "wrong", I just don't grip the fault-line here, that's all. Babies are taken from HIV mothers to thwart the dangers of infected breast-milk; ditto drug addicts - I once watched a horrific documentary on the result of drug-addicted babies. This because of the dangerous and immoral acts of the mothers.

Does it TRULY (not W/S's truly - great comments there, too, btw...) not bother you that the world has rapidly advanced in our human behaviors regarding child-protection and nurturing? Please forgive me here, because I do not make light of this illness ... but as in early stages Alzheimers somehow and astonishingly-so comes to my mind. An illness I witnessed fairly close to home. The blankness; the withdrawal; the repeated statements; the lack of instant emotive responses in the women. And then, yes, pedophilia strikes me loud and clear, here. Gang-style and horrific. When a female becomes fertile, that's not (in many opinions) OK to intercept. It's called puberty: a gentle, beautiful inner awakening to be regarded as sacred and to be kept pristine until *all other natural, physical, mental, spiritual and social factors* have grown accustomed to God's aging process. To be de-frocked, by force and by the CHOICES of an "awarded" male is just too horrendous to happen once, let alone en-masse and as a no-nonsense "given". What a shuddering-ly bleak future to anticipate as as a beautiful ... LITTLE GIRL.

Human machines. God forgive me, but I think of The Boys from Brazil ... or other equally horrific ordeals our species has subjected its populations to. And no, I'm not gunning for nazism ... think about female circumcision; forced prostitution; rent-boys and,sadly, much more.

All of these horrific acts are done for money, power and control. The FLDS are no different, despite there being, IMO, a group of women to turn to "afterwards". But what advice and comfort is given when a young girl's body, spirit, mind and understanding is snatched and her youth destroyed by some prowling male as if this is a cattle-sale? They are simply and succinctly advised to "Stay Sweet". Oh my God...

No. NOOO! This will be a traumatic experience and clearly the US, CPS (incl medical & legal) and all other highly trained and skilled people & mechanisms have been mobilized to ensure the best outcome and a positive future for these kids. Think of the baby-boys - some may be tossed out as "lost-boys". It's far better to save these little-ones earlier rather than .... later. These (rescued) children won't be tossed out or touched, one prays - but it'll be difficult, sure. It will, one hopes, literally .... begin the end. The end of a "chain factory to go out and selectively conquer, program, multiply and then totally worship just one man's ideals and cause here on God's earth".

Floh said it best pages-back, unquoted as I cannot find the page, lol!!: Glow's approach won't change...

Sorry so long - such immense reading / input. Congrats to all :clap: :clap: :clap:

froggierintexas: Well, isn't your comment so true! Just saw your congratulatory post as I finished this. AGREED 100% :clap:

There are just too many to caption all. This thread, topic has been one of the most informative, thought-provoking and inspiring in a long, long time. Brilliant!

Said my piece for the next 10 pages, lol (again, so sorry about length!!! It's all your faults)

:blowkiss:

"Proud to be a W/S-er!!!"

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ohmigosh, mysteriew. Appreciate your finding this article and offering the link. I also read (in an early option to "read more") the tracked info-background in this story.

The author used the words "Twilight Zone" ... uh-huh. I recognize that sentiment.

Here's the bit I found compelling... [snipped - the bold, red and brackets are mine]:

[Reporter asks] How do you know that?

Bistline: I just know those people. I’m related to pretty near every one of them. I knew them growing up, I know what they’re taught, and I know how they live. Have you listened to some of the answers those girls they’ve questioned give when they ask them if they know of any underage pregnancies? It don’t take no psychological genius to know those girls are lying. You can tell they’re lying by their answers.

So it’s definitely going on, and it needed to be stopped. And I don’t know how else they could’ve done it. They went in there with guns drawn and all that because they didn’t know what to expect. They’d lived through the Waco thing. I don’t blame them for that. What they do now, though is crucial.

Society knows this is all wrong; regular citizens know it's wrong; as do LE, relevant authorities, runaways, the lost boys, torn teens, some cult-mothers ... good grief. Going back to an earlier post of mine: religious LEADERS and figureheads *know* it is ... w-r-o-n-g.

D'you or anyone here think "this sect" may even be outlawed as illegal in the US constitution? Would - or could - such a law ever be implemented and sustained as a banned institution, specifically due to acute brainwashing and child abuse?

As a complete aside: do any of these people have the right to vote? Just asking b/c today's a Big Day in the Campaign Trail. If not, surely that's also breaching human-rights? What about "freedom of speech, true social security, and opportunities for all American citizens?"

Hell, the full impact of it all just gets scarier by the day.

Thanks for the links. I'm truly gobsmacked as in: an instant-frozen-smack-of-a-jaw-drop .

Check out the comments in the blog. They are asking for "information guerillas" talking about "resistance" and say they will provide training.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/2008/04/short_creek_redux_colorado_cit.php

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

For those of you that watch DR Phil he will be covering this story for Tuesday and Wednesday shows.

Final comment (yep - promise!)

Hi Ladybass. Thanks for heads-up on this. Not sure if this is appropriate to comment like this in here - def don't want to start a TV war *but* .... I used to watch his early shows. The last year odd? (IMO) It's disintegrated into a blatantly moral-defying, hour-long "punch-up".

Somewhere along the line, purpose & dignity went backstage and returned as some abominable adult Show-&-TELL type of mud (or trash) wrestling match.

I could care less if he's a real doc (lol, "Dr. Spock" wasn't a doctor), so Phil McGraw is whatever he is - but at least he usually had known professionals and experts on the show. That's about the only upside - and although I've ceased watching, I truly hope his take on this is far more dignified, informative and caring.

Will be interesting to know how it went, tho, if anyone caught it??

Thanks again.

 

[SuziQ]

Check out the comments in the blog. They are asking for "information guerillas" talking about "resistance" and say they will provide training.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/2008/04/short_creek_redux_colorado_cit.php

lol, we are not the only one who noticed the "unibrow". The Twilight Zone comparison is the perfect description.

I've been fascinated by the morbid Twilight Zone-like tours of YFZ by sometimes unibrowed FLDS moms

 

[Pepper]

Was watching Fox this AM and there was an ACLU attorney on with another attorney. The ACLU attorney was saying that the rights of the mothers and the children were violated because they were separated. She believed the mothers should be allowed to be with their children because of the emotional distress in the separation.

I say if the mothers are allowed to have their children with them, it opens up the county to more violations of rights. The mothers will claim they are being held against their will if they are held away from YFZ and if they are allowed to go where they wish they will take the children back to the compound, and nothing will be gained.

I think the Texas authorities are doing everything they can to expedite this process keeping in mind what is best for the children. It is bound to be painful for the children but children can and have adapted to change. The only other alternative is to give up and send everyone back to the compound, and that would be a disasterous for the welfare of the children.

 

[Clearly Confused]

Have they mentioned how many boys versus girls they have in custody yet? I haven't seen it yet and I would really like to know...so much that I tried to call into Nancy Grace last night to see if I could ask that question..lol

 

[galvino]

Just watched Dr Phil, and even tho I think he is a media who loves to sensationalize, it was a good show- interesting to hear from someone else who has left the cult and who hasn't been out speaking on other shows.

 

[SieSie]

 

[SieSie]

Have they mentioned how many boys versus girls they have in custody yet? I haven't seen it yet and I would really like to know...so much that I tried to call into Nancy Grace last night to see if I could ask that question..lol

Good question, I'm curious about that, too!!

I was really hoping we'd have a forum for this by now, it's so hard to keep all the information straight as there are so many different areas of discussion with this whole FLDS thing. I would like a forum so we could have separate threads for things such as:

** Former Members Speak
** FLDS Beliefs
** Warren Jeffs
** The CPS Case
** Women and Girls - "Being Submissive", etc...
** The Lost Boys
** Abuse - Physical, Emotional, Sexual
** Brainwashing
** Rosita Swinton
** Other Compounds, Locations, Etc...

As you can see, I think we have more than enough different areas of discussion to have a forum dedicated to the FLDS, but since it's a religious thing, maybe that's why it hasn't been done???

 

[cheko1]

If it is found that girls are turned over to men at puberty to, "marry" the men, "have sex" with the men, and have babies then to me it is point blank pedophilia, sexual abuse, and rape.

If it is found that babies are water boarded from infancy to learn to remain submissive and to be taught not to cry, then that is point blank physical abuse.

I think that the FLDS is not a religion, but a dangerous cult started by pedophiles with a pathological need to control people, and that they do it all in the false name of religion.

The devil can quote the bible for his own evil works. I think the leaders of the FLDS are quoting the bible to have power over others, act out on their pedophilia, and do whatever other disgraceful things that we don't yet know about.

There are some foster homes in Texas and other states where sexual, physical, and emotional abuse occur. I agree. But, that is not the case with most foster homes. Many children have a chance in the foster care system. I believe there is a 100% chance that any child raised within the FLDS compound will suffer at least one type of abuse. Some may never heal.

Lion

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Floh]

Good question, I'm curious about that, too!!

I was really hoping we'd have a forum for this by now, it's so hard to keep all the information straight as there are so many different areas of discussion with this whole FLDS thing. I would like a forum so we could have separate threads for things such as:

** Former Members Speak
** FLDS Beliefs
** Warren Jeffs
** The CPS Case
** Women and Girls - "Being Submissive", etc...
** The Lost Boys
** Abuse - Physical, Emotional, Sexual
** Brainwashing
** Rosita Swinton
** Other Compounds, Locations, Etc...

As you can see, I think we have more than enough different areas of discussion to have a forum dedicated to the FLDS, but since it's a religious thing, maybe that's why it hasn't been done???

I rather believe this may be what the hold up is. there is room for even more topics within the forum besides those you've listed, i think. it's a case which has vast amount of points to be made and chewed on.

 

[SieSie]

I rather believe this may be what the hold up is. there is room for even more topics within the forum besides those you've listed, i think. it's a case which has vast amount of points to be made and chewed on.

Yup, I think so, too. What other topics would you list (just out of curiosity)?

 

[FlowerChild]

The number of children has now gone from 416 to 437.
http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695272744,00.html

Because with most of the older "women" (can you say enforcers?) sent away (back to the ranch) the authorities (CPS/LE) have now discovered that SEVERAL of the "women" that were allowed to stay - those pregnant, with infants and very small (under age 2) children - WERE NOT 18 YEARS OLD. From the current count of 437 (up from 416) - I would say 21 of them. And there may be MORE that are at the ranch now who are SAYING they are 18 or older, but when more records are located will be found to be 16 or 17.

I am gonna go out on a limb and say that about 450-460 children (under the age of 18) are at that ranch - and that another 15 or 20 of the women over 18 will be found to have given birth before they were 18 OR because they came from FLDS groups in Canada or Mexico/South America will in the FUTURE be found to be under 18. And since the ranch has been in existence for 4 or so years, I would also guess there are going to be questions about the whereabouts of 15 or 20 BOYS who WERE at the ranch and are now "missing" or supposedly elsewhere - but cannot be accounted for within the FLDS.

Because this "Ranch" is supposedly the highest tier of the FLDS at this time, this case is going to spread across the US and into Canada, Mexico and South America. This may be the "spiritual center" of FLDS at this time - and all things flow downhill from there. I hope that this raid has literally cut the regenerating head (which was regrowing after the conviction of Warren Jeffs and his crew) off the FLDS and MAYBE put the entire "body" at risk. Warren Jeffs was on the run for a while before he was arrested and he spent that time trying to protect his little private kingdom, but this raid has dealt that kingdom a very serious wound and while bandages are being applied in MANY places, I think with their "Prophet" Warren Jeffs and Co in PRISON, the possible anarchy among the remaining "shepherds" and their loss of so many "sheep" and the big gaping hole in the fence, allowing the WORLD to see inside, might put the whole operation at risk of collapse.

My Opinion

 

[barb0301]

Have they mentioned how many boys versus girls they have in custody yet? I haven't seen it yet and I would really like to know...so much that I tried to call into Nancy Grace last night to see if I could ask that question..lol

I only know that 27 adolescent boys were taken and put into a group foster home last week (removed from the rest of the group). As far as boys 10 and under, I'm not sure of the numbers.

 

[Floh]

Yup, I think so, too. What other topics would you list (just out of curiosity)?

The government being invasive
Those who choose an alternative lifestyle (without the abuse!)
The Latter Day Saints NOT being anything to do with the FLDS
Communal living


just off the top of my head.

ETA: International trafficking