Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #5

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Thank you, LB. I understand your explanation. Personally, I think that it isn't going to matter whether Sarah is a real person or not. Once they discovered a herd of pregnant teenagers it was game over.

I absolutly agree with you there, however I still would like them to locate "sarah" to at least make sure she is safe, and in state custody. I just would hate to know that she truly DOES exist, but has not been located yet, and could be in extreme danger.

 

[SewingDeb]

LOL!!

I circumvent that problem by never ever calling the IRS - I'm not entirely convinced that someone having a bad day wouldn't just patch me through to AUDITING!

LOL! It was really bad. He couldn't understand me and I couldn't understand him. I wonder if he was even in the US.

 

[SewingDeb]

lmao Yes Deb, I am glad I am not the only one to experience this.

You too? I've heard of shipping our jobs overseas, but this is ridiculous.

Back on topic, Rozita was linked with one call according to what I read. There may be a real Sarah and I hope she was rounded up with the other underage mothers.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I checked out some close up pictures taken of the women who were interviewed, and while some appear to be quite young, in their 30's, a close up picture revealed a lot of lines. It must be the hours of working outside in the hot sun.

Now.......I'm older than the women pictured, but I don't have the lines they have and I live in a hot, dry climate.

Same here. That was something my DH commented on when they first started showing them - how old they looked, I said I think they are all younger than they look.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Guys:

Is it me, or does the call sound like it is from a white person, and not a black person. To me it sounds like there is no way possible that a black person made those calls.

I don't know. What does a black person sound like?


ETA - I posted this before reading the whole thread. What I am wondering why the race of the caller makes a difference.

 

[legallee]

I don't know. What does a black person sound like?

she's already explained this....let it die.

 

[southcitymom]

she's already explained this....let it die.

Please!!!!

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Please!!!!

sorry, I broke my personal rule of posting before I read a whole thread. I was heartened to \see the later comments.

PEACE!

 

[songline]

Awwww...that's sweet.

I know we must refuse to let these serial child rapists own the word 'sweet'!

Sweet is what children really are!

The FLDS order to 'Keep Sweet' is just some nasty old perverted child abuser forcing kids to submit to rape by twisting a perfectly good word into his own sick disturbing distorted lies. {I really hate the FLDS and every other person who would lie to a child in order to sexually assault them.}

Sweet. Let us remember what it really means. It does not mean little girls raped by nasty old men.

I hope that these people who have abused children on such a massive scale rot in prison. Or hell. Whatever they fear the most.

Mutually consenting adults can do whatever floats their boat.

But when they harm children, it's time to sink that ship of fools.

What is also most unfortunate is that these people are brain washed and were toughed that the outside world would harm them.
In-fact they eat organically what they harvest and the first day they got sick on processed food which must have instantly made them fear their protectors.
They do not have a clue of any other life style and were tough what to say and what not to say to the public if ever they would be asked.
SO getting them to talk will be the hardest part. We need to have a reason to lock up all the SOB's. We need to reeducate the women and children.
Not just throw them in some foster home.

 

[Seven]

That's what I figured. Why do the FLDS parents expect more than any other parent gets from the system once the children are taken?

Do other parents get a hearing before their children are taken from them?

Or does The State take your kids away/place them in
foster care FIRST, then give parents a hearing afterwards?

 

[mollymalone]

It seems that since Warren Jeffs assumed control of the FLDS he put every sort of evil on fast track.

From what I'm reading this type of thing (underage or young marriages to older men)has been going on for a long time, even before Jeffs took over. Granted, the more bizarre and cruel aspects seem to have arrived with his taking over but even some of those existed within the various far flung outposts of the sect.

 

[mollymalone]

We should keep in mind that not all of those women are loving parents to their extended "families" in particular of children not their own.

From someone who works to save the lives of children who are abused:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5729137.htm
I have learned from escapees from the FLDS compounds that "keep sweet" is code language for a very severe form of mind control. "Keep sweet" means to stifle all normal human emotions such as anger, fear, jealousy or sadness.

When one man has to control several women, this is a very effective command, especially when infractions are met with swift humiliation and punishment. Watching the FLDS ladies "keep sweet" in TV interviews makes my skin crawl. This abuse of the women trickles down to the children in a very predictable way.

"the men of FLDS and the outside world, the women of FLDS appear very docile and controlled. But when the women are alone with the children, it is common for one woman to brutalize the children of a rival wife. This is done to exact payback for a punishment or humiliation suffered at the hands of a man who was instigated by the rival wife. The innocent children then have no way of knowing when they will be punished, nor will they have any warning. This is emotional abuse, and we know that this form of abuse has long-term effects.

 

[golfmom]

Molly, I was reading a genealogy message board for people who descended from polygamists. One thing I found completely fascinating is that the hierarchy dynamics were still playing out, generations later. Every poster went out of their way to designate which of their lines descended from a "First Wife". It was clear reading that there was a definite preference and importance to those lines.

 

[mollymalone]

"One man, who gave his name only as Rulon, declared, "We have broken no laws"--though the laws against having multiple wives are more than a century old."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1734818,00.html

Polygamy aside, the laws regarding child abuse and sex with underage children has been deemed by society as unacceptable and laws have been on the books about those issues for a long time also. They wish to claim "ignorance" of those laws yet they circumvent them by keeping their victims isolated, ignorant and helpless. The girls or women who are older, or the young men can escape, but what chance would a child have to escape?

If a child under the age of 16 were to "escape" the abusive environment they were in within the compound, you can bet they'd be returned as a runaway. In Colorado City and Hilldale, the local LE was FLDS and that was routinely done. Those officers are now removed but during their tenure, just how many kids escaped only to be returned and whisked off to other compounds?
The term poofer is used to denote those girls who were there one day and gone the nexst with all their belongings, many never to be heard of again by family members or friends. That's bad enough but those who escaped have told of their return, being isolated, underfed and verbally and physically abused. I also doubt all of the abuse was engendered by solely the men against those children.

 

[mollymalone]

Molly, I was reading a genealogy message board for people who descended from polygamists. One thing I found completely fascinating is that the hierarchy dynamics were still playing out, generations later. Every poster went out of their way to designate which of their lines descended from a "First Wife". It was clear reading that there was a definite preference and importance to those lines.

Being a genealogy buff myself that is an interesting observation. Discrimination from within. In one of the links I posted last night, I think it was Debbie Palmer stated that they, her mother and siblings were the virtual servants of the first wife and her children. So that's not too surprising that they would stress that ancestry.

 

[golfmom]

This is another quote from that article:

"I am a loving and honorable father," said Williams--though he has not seen his children in years, by order of the sect's leader, Warren Jeffs.

 

[mollymalone]

I have sympathy for the women who really ARE the children's mothers, but that sympathy is tempered with the knowledge that some of the women we are seeing may not be the actual mother of a child that is in CPS's care. Also that the women picked to answer questions to the media were likley hand picked from among those that are "trusted" loyal members of the sect who would have no compunction about lying through their teeth to achieve their goals. I keep hearing "I need "her" back." I haven't heard I want my son back. I LOVE my son/daughter and I want them back. Sure, they "need" the girls back because they are their currency towards a better position within the hierarchy if they are reassigned. with a young baby that will grow into a nubile girl who will be nothing more than chattel. A brood mare.

 

[mollymalone]

This is another quote from that article:

"I am a loving and honorable father," said Williams--though he has not seen his children in years, by order of the sect's leader, Warren Jeffs.

(speaking in a dry tone of voice) Yeah, he's so loving of his family that he walked away from them. He could have done like the mere lower caste women who escaped taking their families with them. After all, men are able to come and go as they please. Three years and likely no contact at all with the children, the same children who have been reassigned and have been told he is dead to them and are calling another man father simply because he chose to obey Jeffs.

I sympathize in that he loves his children, misses them etc, but if he's still so tied to Jeffs teachings, then those children would likely be no better off with him. He might use them to be able to get back into the sect.

 

[southcitymom]

sorry, I broke my personal rule of posting before I read a whole thread. I was heartened to \see the later comments.

PEACE!

No worries, Medusa - I've been known to do that a time or ten!!!!:blushing:

 

[Leila]

From what I'm reading this type of thing (underage or young marriages to older men)has been going on for a long time, even before Jeffs took over. Granted, the more bizarre and cruel aspects seem to have arrived with his taking over but even some of those existed within the various far flung outposts of the sect.

That's what I meant. Underage brides have been a factor for a long time, but Warren Jeffs, through his ever-tightening control of the FLDS has introduced a new level of fear and sanctions for misbehavior that supersedes previous presidents - prophets.