Was Burke involved?

[Frigga]

I sure would like to hear from Fleet White about just how "in shock" he thought Burke Ramsey may have been the morning he took him from the Ramsey home.

 

[Frigga]

January 8, 1997 Interview of Burke Ramsey by Dr Bernhard of The Department of Social Services (approximately two weeks after an intruder entered his home without disturbing or waking anyone in the home, murdered his sister, leaving his house completely undetected and still on the loose):

At one point during the interview, Dr Bernhard asked Burke if he felt safe in his home. There was no hesitation when he responded that, yes, he felt safe at home and was not worried about an intruder returning.

Burke Ramseys words.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

January 9, 1997 Interview of Burke Ramsey by Dr Bernhard of The Department of Social Services (approximately two weeks after an intruder entered his home without disturbing or waking anyone in the home, murdered his sister, leaving his house completely and still on the loose):

At one point during the interview, Dr Bernhard asked Burke if he felt safe in his home. There was no hesitation when he responded that, yes, he felt safe at home and was not worried about an intruder returning.

Burke Ramseys words.

:dunno:

Isn't that a good thing? Considering that he never went back and lived in that house again. He was in a new house, a new town.

That means that his parents were making him feel safe and secure. That is a good thing.. In my book at least.

 

[2 percent]

Have you? My point is that you wouldn't even be asking this if you understood the reality of such a shock as opposed to a theory of what it should be like. When the idea of something is a threat it scares you, when the reality of it happens you are drowning in it.

Good example

Someone scared in the water with a fear of drowning screams and thrashes. Someone who actually drowns struggles silently beneathe the surface and can't move. Comparing your own children outside of trauma to child in the middle of one is unfair.

I really think an obvious point is being missed here. I won't speculate on the deliberation, just join the fray to give my opinion.

There are norms of behavior. FACT. That's why there are self help books written, warning signs for everything from cancer to molestation to fur balls in your cat. If your cat has blood in its stool you don't think "oh my gosh, a fur ball". Because there are symptoms and patterns in illnesses and there are symptoms and patterns in emotional behavior too.

It is outside the norm for a child to react to his sister's disappearance so nonchalantly unless he has been told not to worry. His lack of curiosity doesn't even fit the norm for having murdered his sister and is hiding it. No one exhibits that much lack of emotion in the face of all of the panic that is going on around him and when you add in law enforcement and having to be packed off to another house. No. No child will express such a lack of interest within the norms. Think of it, he blows every known norm. I don't even think that's possible.

The point that is being made here is that if the family dog disappeared all of the family would be upset. Yes, it will manifest differently given the different personalities but the emotion is still there. Where is the emotion in Burke? Patsy was upset, real or faked, and children react when their mother specifically is upset.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There is no norm for grief and pain and suffering. People react and show all kinds of different behaviors and that is NORMAL.

 

[Venom]

Anyone else here have children?

BDI, IDI, RDI et all.

Do you feel Burke's lack of interest, fear, agitation or concern for his missing sister would be normal from a sibling?

Honestly- if your child/children were in similar circumstances to Burke?

I have two, ages 4 and 6.
When my oldest sleeps over at my parents, my youngest will wonder around and ask where her sissy is. When my oldest comes home from school she almost always asks where her sister is.

In respect to how one would act in BR's situation, they would wonder and want to know what happened. And I could honestly say they would cling to me and not want to leave my side.

ETA- Frozen is an awesome movie.

 

[MyBelle]

Burke Ramsey was never interogated, as some here suggest. He was interviewed.

The Ramseys went to great lengths in the critical first days of the investigation to distance Burke from investigators.

Why? If, as Patsy Ramsey says in the quote above, she would do anything for her children- why wouldn't that include helping the police to undertsnd what Burke knew or didn't know about what happened on the night of the murder.

Even more importantly, what he may have known of events leading up to her murder. After all, this was according to the Ramsey's "an inside job". They began implicating LHP immediately- Santa Bill etc. I would want the police to know exactly what my son may have seen, heard or known in retrospect- leading up to his sisters murder.

Officer French had attempted to speak to Burke the morning of the ransom note as he was leaving the house with Fleet White but John Ramsey intervened and told him that Burke had been asleep. Why wouldn't he want the investigators to ask Burke important questions about events leading up to the murder- let alone the events of the night everything went down?

The family repeatedly stated that they NEVER WOKE BURKE UP TO ASK HIM anything about his sister's disappearance.

I guess Patsy really didn't give a s**t about other peoples children if there was a child murderer/pedophile on the loose as she claimed:

"I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's a he or a she. But if I were a resident of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep -- keep your babies close to you, there's someone out there."~ Patsy Ramsey

... but we won't bother to ask our son what he may may have seen, heard or known.

There is a possibility Burke was given an excuse by his parents for why JB wasn't there. I think PR and JBR traveled a lot to pageants and he didn't go along therefore her absence would not alarm him if he slept through it all. He was clueless. If he wasn't involved, why would a parent break that kind of news to him at that time? Wouldn't they want to consult with someone such as a minister on how to break the news to him? His older sister had died just a few years earlier.

The idea that Brooke was never interrogated therefore was never a suspect is ridiculous. He was interviewed. Cops didn't have to treat him as a suspect to rule him out.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

We have no idea what he knew or did not know. Sorry.



That is not all kids. All kids can react differently to stress and fear and sorrow. IMO

ITA. We do not know if Burke even knew his sister was missing. He told Smit that his parents came into his room that morning and Patsy was frantic but he didn't say they told him she was missing. I think the reason they didn't want him to know she was missing was because they did not want him up looking for her. For anyone to react with stress, fear and sorrow they must first know about what they are reacting to. I don't believe Burke knew his sister was missing.

JMO

 

[Frigga]

Right but none of you have clue how he reacted outside of gossip and media so your observations are more made up stories

Seriously

Gossip and Media?

NO- his taped and transcribed interviews- one with a detective and the other with the Department of Social Services. these are not MY "made up stories" or "observations".

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

ITA. We do not know if Burke even knew his sister was missing. He told Smit that his parents came into his room that morning and Patsy was frantic but he didn't say they told him she was missing. I think the reason they didn't want him to know she was missing was because they did not want him up looking for her. For anyone to react with stress, fear and sorrow they must first know about what they are reacting to. I don't believe Burke knew his sister was missing.

JMO

IMO they did not tell him he was missing because they did not want him to be upset. It has nothing to do with him looking for her.

If he had no idea what was wrong, Why then would he be judged for his reactions???

KWIM?

 

[Chewy]

That's not the same way he'd be reacting in his home around friends and family. Each of you shared examples of your kids at home safe with parents and then hold up Burke's reaction in an interview with Detective and Social Services to compare? Utterly ridiculous.

 

[Frigga]

There is a possibility Burke was given an excuse by his parents for why JB wasn't there. I think PR and JBR traveled a lot to pageants and he didn't go along therefore her absence would not alarm him if he slept through it all. He was clueless. If he wasn't involved, why would a parent break that kind of news to him at that time? Wouldn't they want to consult with someone such as a minister on how to break the news to him? His older sister had died just a few years earlier.

The idea that Brooke was never interrogated therefore was never a suspect is ridiculous. He was interviewed. Cops didn't have to treat him as a suspect to rule him out.

JMO

BBM- Excuse me? There were Police officers at his home when he was taken away by Fleet White. You are actually saying he thought maybe his sister was on travel or at a pageant?

Here is the interview with the detective conducted at approximately 3:00 on December 26th, I posted just recently:

This is an interview WITH BURKE


Patterson was able to elicit some details of events leading up to the kidnapping, and was informed that Burke had played at home until about 4:30-5:00 on Christmas day and had put on a sweater before heading to the White's dinner party. He played and ate some sandwhiches while there and stated the family went directly home after the party.

This conflicted with statements from the parents who stated they had made two stops on the way home to deliver presents to family friends.

Burke stated that he put on PJ's, brushed his teeth and went to bed upon arriving home. He estimated this timeframe to be between 8:30 and 9:00 pm.

The only noise he reported hearing after going to bed was the "squeaking water heater." He did not hear any "scream, cry, yell or any raised voices" during the night.

Burke provided conflicting information about waking: in one instance he advised that he woke and his father told him about JonBenet being gone. In another instance, he advise Detective Patterson that his dad had awakened him and told him his sister was missing and that they were going to find her.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM- Excuse me? There were Police officers at his home when he was taken away by Fleet White. You are actually saying he thought maybe his sister was on travel or at a pageant?

Here is the interview with the detective conducted at approximately 3:00 on December 26th, I posted just recently:


Patterson was able to elicit some details of events leading up to the kidnapping, and was informed that Burke had played at home until about 4:30-5:00 on Christmas day and had put on a sweater before heading to the White's dinner party. He played and ate some sandwhiches while there and stated the family went directly home after the party.

This conflicted with statements from the parents who stated they had made two stops on the way home to deliver presents to family friends.

Burke stated that he put on PJ's, brushed his teeth and went to bed upon arriving home. He estimated this timeframe to be between 8:30 and 9:00 pm.

The only noise he reported hearing after going to bed was the "squeaking water heater." He did not hear any "scream, cry, yell or any raised voices" during the night.

Burke provided conflicting information about waking: in one instance he advised that he woke and his father told him about JonBenet being gone. In another instance, he advise Detective Patterson that his dad had awakened him and told him his sister was missing and that they were going to find her.

They may not have said anything to him.. Just got him up and ready and said to please go with Mr White. He is going to take care of you for awhile.

That is not an interview with burke that is a summary of what Burke said supposedly. Not the same thing.

 

[Frigga]

ITA. We do not know if Burke even knew his sister was missing. He told Smit that his parents came into his room that morning and Patsy was frantic but he didn't say they told him she was missing. I think the reason they didn't want him to know she was missing was because they did not want him up looking for her. For anyone to react with stress, fear and sorrow they must first know about what they are reacting to. I don't believe Burke knew his sister was missing.

JMO

This is NOT TRUE.

Did you read the interview OF BURKE RAMSEY BY Detective Patterson at 3:00 in the afternoon on December 26, 1997?

Here is a portion of it:

Patterson was able to elicit some details of events leading up to the kidnapping, and was informed that Burke had played at home until about 4:30-5:00 on Christmas day and had put on a sweater before heading to the White's dinner party. He played and ate some sandwhiches while there and stated the family went directly home after the party.

This conflicted with statements from the parents who stated they had made two stops on the way home to deliver presents to family friends.

Burke stated that he put on PJ's, brushed his teeth and went to bed upon arriving home. He estimated this timeframe to be between 8:30 and 9:00 pm.

The only noise he reported hearing after going to bed was the "squeaking water heater." He did not hear any "scream, cry, yell or any raised voices" during the night.

Burke provided conflicting information about waking: in one instance he advised that he woke and his father told him about JonBenet being gone. In another instance, he advise Detective Patterson that his dad had awakened him and told him his sister was missing and that they were going to find her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Right but none of you have clue how he reacted outside of gossip and media so your observations are more made up stories



Seriously

That's completely untrue, it's a blatant mischaraterization of the facts.




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[Frigga]

They may not have said anything to him.. Just got him up and ready and said to please go with Mr White. He is going to take care of you for awhile.

That is not an interview with burke that is a summary of what Burke said supposedly. Not the same thing.

It is not supposed- it is from the taped interview and transcript.

I don't know why I am even bothering.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is not supposed- it is from the taped interview and transcript.

I don't know why I am even bothering.

That is not an interview, KWIM?
An interview is something that shows the exact words a person said. IT is not relayed in the third person.

It is someone's exact words.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM- Excuse me? There were Police officers at his home when he was taken away by Fleet White. You are actually saying he thought maybe his sister was on travel or at a pageant?

Here is the interview with the detective conducted at approximately 3:00 on December 26th, I posted just recently:

This is an interview WITH BURKE


Patterson was able to elicit some details of events leading up to the kidnapping, and was informed that Burke had played at home until about 4:30-5:00 on Christmas day and had put on a sweater before heading to the White's dinner party. He played and ate some sandwhiches while there and stated the family went directly home after the party.

This conflicted with statements from the parents who stated they had made two stops on the way home to deliver presents to family friends.

Burke stated that he put on PJ's, brushed his teeth and went to bed upon arriving home. He estimated this timeframe to be between 8:30 and 9:00 pm.

The only noise he reported hearing after going to bed was the "squeaking water heater." He did not hear any "scream, cry, yell or any raised voices" during the night.

Burke provided conflicting information about waking: in one instance he advised that he woke and his father told him about JonBenet being gone. In another instance, he advise Detective Patterson that his dad had awakened him and told him his sister was missing and that they were going to find her.

His own conflicting statements are proof of what, exactly? He was only 9-yrs old. I could wake my kid up from sleep and tell him something but that is no guarantee he would remember it later. He may have thought she wandered over the neighbors for all we know. He wasn't concerned because his parents didn't want him concerned. Period.

I think he responded about the noise truthfully. It is possible he was in a deep sleep at the time of the scream.

 

[Frigga]

The interview with Dr Bernhard, with the Department of Social Services took place about a week and half after JonBenet had been found murdered. FACT

In the interview he was asked if he knew what happened to his sister or if he talked to his parents about it. FACT

In the interview Burke stated that he knew what happened and indicated that he asked his father where he had found JonBenet's body. His father had told him that she had been found in the basement.

When asked again what he thought had happened, Burke advised without hesitation that he knew what had happened to JonBenet and that she had been killed. He stated that he thought someone had quietly carried her downstairs to the basement and that person had then either stabbed jonBenet or struck a blow to her head with a hammer.

Are you disputing this?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The interview with Dr Bernhard, with the Department of Social Services took place about a week and half after JonBenet had been found murdered. FACT

In the interview he was asked if he knew what happened to his sister or if he talked to his parents about it. FACT

In the interview Burke stated that he knew what happened and indicated that he asked his father where he had found JonBenet's body. His father had told him that she had been found in the basement.

When asked again what he thought had happened, Burke advised without hesitation that he knew what had happened to JonBenet and that she had been killed. He stated that he thought someone had quietly carried her downstairs to the basement and that person had then either stabbed jonBenet or struck a blow to her head with a hammer.

Are you disputing this?

He knew his sister was dead. He knew that his father found her, He speculated about how she died because they probably had not been graphic about how she died.
I just don't see the point you are trying to make.