Was Burke involved?

[SapphireSteel]

What if the one was past saving? Or couldn't even be saved?

Some mothers still haven't accepted the death of their child, decades later.

The mother is the last one to hold hope, always.

BDI means THIS mother sat down and wrote a ransom note, then rewrote it, tied garrotes, washed down JB's body, all while the poor little thing was still breathing.

Most of the mothers I know can't even squash a spider let alone put their own 6 year old to death!

 

[Linda7NJ]

"How do you explain the fact that the grand jury indicted the Ramsey's for:

On or between Dec. 25 and Dec. 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colo., John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.

And:

On or between Dec. 25 and Dec. 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colo., John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death"

And Burke REMAINED in their home?

CPS would have REMOVED him and placed him in fostercare or another relative for his own safety.

They didn't. He remain in the custody of his PARENTS who were INDICTED!!!!





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Riddle me this Batman....

(I've always wanted to say that) lol


Please find a logical answer to the above. For those that believe Burke had nothing to do with it.




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[Mama2JML]

link?

Link to Arndt's Deposition:
http://www.acandyrose.com/03182000-arndtdepo-04102000.htm

 

[Linda7NJ]

Every time I try to contemplate what she was thinking, I fail. It's all just so unbelievable.



I just have to put her in the "incomprehensible" category along with Karla Homolka, Jodi Arias, Susan Smith.



You just wouldn't believe it if you didn't know it's true.

Yet you can see her doing it all, for John.

But not doing it for Burke?

Maybe just maybe Patsy groomed JonBenet FOR Burke. We've all seen the creepy photos she had done of the two of them....


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[SapphireSteel]

Riddle me this Batman....

(I've always wanted to say that) lol


Please find a logical answer to the above. For those that believe Burke had nothing to do with it.




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Wait - are you saying what the Boulder Powers-That-Be were COMPETENT in this case?

First time I've ever heard that accusation!

I don't know why Burke was left in the home, it could be fancy lawyers or it could be tied up with how these people got themselves indicted by a Grand Jury yet remained totally free to walk amongst us and NEVER answered for their actions.

Just a guess.

The whole thing was a disgrace, if I lived in Colorado I would be petitioning for a Federal Inquiry into the whole mess. It's not too late IMO.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yet you can see her doing it all, for John.

But not doing it for Burke?

Maybe just maybe Patsy groomed JonBenet FOR Burke. We've all seen the creepy photos she had done of the two of them....


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No not for Burke.

The FBI stated, and I agree, that "an adult who lived in the house" is responsible.

Or in this case, adults plural. Both of them.

 

[Mama2JML]

I know this wasn't for me.
IIRC that was a deposition for a lawsuit Linda A. had filed, she lost.

Her own police report states differently. That John was "missing" she believed he went for his mail.
Iirc he was missing for 1 hour 20 minutes.
John admits to being gone " for a walk in the hills" for 30 minutes.


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Nooo. No, he didn't. Mr. Ramsey has never indicated, even slightly so, that he left his residence (on the 26th) during the abduction phase.

 

[MyBelle]

An innocent witness potentially having information about a crime is one not grounded in anything remotely logical?

He WAS in the house- before, during and after the murder. He could have heard something, smelled something, remembered something. He could have remembered a dream that was actually the sounds of something occurring in the house that night.

It is impossible to have a normal conversation about any of this apparently.

Yes he was in the house and he also testified for hours several years after the murder. What exactly do you expect from him 17 years later? His testimony is preserved. Is he even allowed to reveal what he told the Grand Jury?? I don't know of anyone who can remember in great clarity something they slept through or happened in another part of the house 17 years ago. It was a 7,000 square foot mansion. If he smelled something, what would that prove? It was a home, after all.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yet you can see her doing it all, for John.

But not doing it for Burke?

Maybe just maybe Patsy groomed JonBenet FOR Burke. We've all seen the creepy photos she had done of the two of them....


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Not for John.

Patsy did what she did for herself.

John was her meal ticket therefore had to be looked after.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wait - are you saying what the Boulder Powers-That-Be were COMPETENT in this case?



First time I've ever heard that accusation!



I don't know why Burke was left in the home, it could be fancy lawyers or it could be tied up with how these people got themselves indicted by a Grand Jury yet remained totally free to walk amongst us and NEVER answered for their actions.



Just a guess.



The whole thing was a disgrace, if I lived in Colorado I would be petitioning for a Federal Inquiry into the whole mess. It's not too late IMO.

Nah,
IMO the reason they left Burke with them is because they concluded he did it. He couldn't be charged with a crime.
Burke was in therapy for years. I would venture to guess there was lots of talk behind closed doors, the Ramsey's had the ability to provide him the best treatment available.
They couldn't move forward prosecuting the Ramsey's because of the Colorado Children's Code law would prevent disclosure of Burkes role.
Everyone's hands were tied at that point.

Lacy knew it, felt sorry for Patsy. Resented Kolar doing his job and went out of her way to lift the umbrella of suspicion.

Come on... No way she thought for a second JMK did it. She's either a complete and total air headed moron or she was running an agenda. Given the TDNA ridiculousness, the friendship with Patsy, and wining and dining JMK. I vote agenda.



When the newspaper sued for the release of the grand jury findings. The reason the judge only released 4 pages was that's all he could legally release.




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[MyBelle]

Elizabeth Smarts sister comes to mind


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Elizabeth really was kidnapped. There really was a point of entry. Her sister did witness it.

The Ramsey case wasn't a kidnapping. No sign of forced entry. Nobody witnessed it because there was no kidnapping.

Not sure how that is a valid comparison to the Smart case.

 

[SapphireSteel]

It's obvious some think the situation of the 25 December, came out of nowhere.

It didn't.

There is an entire private family history of events before that evening.

That evening is the end result of various events, namely (most obviously) someone vaginally abusing Jonbenet.

Statistically, this is more likely to be her father than any other family member.

Statistically, her murder is more likely to be at the hands of a parent, than any other human being.

Statistically, the murder was a culmination of worsening abuse which got out of hand that night.

Statistically, there was more severe dysfunction going on in that house, in that marriage, than has been revealed or can probably be guessed at by "normal" people.

Statistically, that dysfunction was created by the adults in the home, not the children who were victims.

:twocents:

 

[Linda7NJ]

No not for Burke.



The FBI stated, and I agree, that "an adult who lived in the house" is responsible.



Or in this case, adults plural. Both of them.

Based statistics & key piece of evidence. The ransom note. That Patsy wrote. IMO.


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[Tawny]

Whenever Karr is seriously brought up as a viable suspect because of his "confession", I die a little inside.

Oh, he confessed, he MUST have done it. Regardless of where he was located on the globe at the time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's obvious some think the situation of the 25 December, came out of nowhere.

It didn't.

There is an entire private family history of events before that evening.

That evening is the end result of various events, namely (most obviously) someone vaginally abusing Jonbenet.

Statistically, this is more likely to be her father than any other family member.

Statistically, her murder is more likely to be at the hands of a parent, than any other human being.

Statistically, the murder was a culmination of worsening abuse which got out of hand that night.

Statistically, there was more severe dysfunction going on in that house, in that marriage, than has been revealed or can probably be guessed at by "normal" people.

Statistically, that dysfunction was created by the adults in the home, not the children who were victims.

:twocents:

I agree with everything above.

There are no statistics for a faked kidnapping complete with a three page ransom and the body found in the house.

This case is an anomaly


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[Tawny]

Yet, statistics aren't relevant when they refer to anything else as stated earlier in the thread?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Elizabeth really was kidnapped. There really was a point of entry. Her sister did witness it.



The Ramsey case wasn't a kidnapping. No sign of forced entry. Nobody witnessed it because there was no kidnapping.



Not sure how that is a valid comparison to the Smart case.

The point is, the child remembered CRITICAL information at a later date.


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[MyBelle]

Wait - are you saying what the Boulder Powers-That-Be were COMPETENT in this case?

First time I've ever heard that accusation!

I don't know why Burke was left in the home, it could be fancy lawyers or it could be tied up with how these people got themselves indicted by a Grand Jury yet remained totally free to walk amongst us and NEVER answered for their actions.

Just a guess.

The whole thing was a disgrace, if I lived in Colorado I would be petitioning for a Federal Inquiry into the whole mess. It's not too late IMO.

The Ramseys lived with others after the murder. There would be no reason to remove him after the indictment if he had someone caring for him. As it was, the DA didn't want try them for just child abuse. I don't believe he shared all the suspicions that Burke was the evil kid and the parents were just covering for him. That's the only reason I can come up with for his refusal to sign the true bill.

It wouldn't be considered justice for JonBenet if her parents were only convicted of child abuse if they were actually guilty of being responsible for the sexual abuse and murder. The is no statute of limitations for murder or child sex abuse.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Whenever Karr is seriously brought up as a viable suspect because of his "confession", I die a little inside.

Oh, he confessed, he MUST have done it. Regardless of where he was located on the globe at the time.

Lacy should have been investigated and charged for wasting tax payers money like that. Either she's the most incompetent person ever involved with this case, or she was running an agenda and laughing her a$& off while thumbing her nose at the good people of Bolder. All IMO


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[MyBelle]

The point is, the child remembered CRITICAL information at a later date.


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She SAW it. There is no evidence Burke witnessed anything he would later remember because his sister was not kidnapped.