Was Joe involved?

[raisincharlie]

If Joe didn't take the van that night, that leaves Timmy or Chelsea doesn't it? Or maybe the van story was made up?

It is possible that Tommy called and told Joe he needed the van, after all, it was Tommy and Lindsy's van. Joe maybe complied and took the van over to Tommy that night. Sooner or later we are going to find out. Hope it is sooner though.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

IIRC...I think I remember reading he is 20 years old .

April 14, 2010 - "Snip" http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...heriff-status-haleigh-cummings-case-unchanged

By Dana Treen, Kate Howard

On Wednesday, Overstreet sat in a Nashville office, next to his attorney and his mother, and defended himself against those allegations at a news conference.

Mostly, his lawyer fielded the questions and Overstreet sat quietly, occasionally clenching and unclenching his jaw. But when asked how he was handling the impact of the allegations, the 20-year-old Overstreet dropped his head and sobbed.

 

[chesterp]

Not if you were in a hurry and expecting a " are you back there yet phone call" imo.

or if the person was "wasted" and we all know how much this group enjoys drugs

 

[Concerned Papa]

With the new twists and turns, what do you think about Joe?

I just posted a new video downstairs in the Parking Lot that gives my answer to this thread's question.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

All the feeding alligator talk while Joe was down there I feel is baloney.

Created: 4/21/2010 3:59:43 PM
Spring Weather Brings Out Native Alligators, Crocodiles

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The season for native crocodilians to start becoming active has arrived, the state warned.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officials suggest residents be cautious around water.

Florida is home to two types of crocodilians:

* the American alligator, which is found in 67 counties
* the American crocodile, which is found in coastal areas of the Keys, Southeast and Southwest Florida.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=155086&catid=3

 

[Concerned Papa]

~Respectfully Snipped~

All the feeding alligator talk while Joe was down there I feel is baloney.

Naaaw Doc, I'm pretty sure Ronald says it was deer meat, LOL

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Lol lol lol lol lol

 

[Brwnigirl]

Just to share this little video while reading the latest news about Haleigh this morning. Alligators are just a way of life in Florida. Locals are still enthused with them and I'm sure you are correct in how interested a Kid from Tennessee would be. Heck, when I get visitors in for a visit they immediately want to go to Gator Hole to photograph the gators up close and personal.
http://www.wesh.com/video/23209239/index.html

Ok hope Kimster doesn't see this..but I didn't see an alligator/crocodile thread? I know this is off topic, but if the water where they take Misty is known to have alligators or is it crocs then how safe are those divers/people standing in the water that I see on tv?

I guess I need to be schooled on alligators/crocodiles....is it too cold in April? According to that earlier post it isn't?

 

[panthera]

What still stands out to me is Misty asking Marvin to pray for her, she is tired of taking care of other peoples kids. TN admitting to offering her money to care for Haleigh and Jr that fateful night. GGMa Sykes showing up to "check on them" and delivering laundry. Ron making 20 or 90 phone calls that same night - long before Joe could have even had access to the van.

JMO - Joe did not take Haleigh, nor did Joe hurt Haleigh. Also IMO, Misty didn't like the competition that Haleigh presented, nor did she like or was she equipped to deal with a special needs child. Joe may well have delivered Lindsey's van to Tommy if Tommy or Misty called and said they needed it though.

I agree. I don't believe JO had any part in Haleigh's death. I can't really find any motive and it just doesn't make sense that if MC knew about it, and wasn't involved herself, that she wouldn't give him up long ago ~ if for no other reason than for Ron to know what happened to his daughter since she supposedly loves Ron. Sorry, but I still think MC is responsible (basically for the same reasons in your post) and JO is getting thrown under the bus. MOO

 

[exfiler]

I agree. I don't believe JO had any part in Haleigh's death. I can't really find any motive and it just doesn't make sense that if MC knew about it, and wasn't involved herself, that she wouldn't give him up long ago ~ if for no other reason than for Ron to know what happened to his daughter since she supposedly loves Ron. Sorry, but I still think MC is responsible (basically for the same reasons in your post) and JO is getting thrown under the bus. MOO

Panthera I'm not to sure Jo didn't have a motive. Here's a scenero in my opinion
If you have listened to recordings made from jail...didn't Misty say words to the effect, they're in jail and the person responsible is out free.

In my opinion
Joe had Tommy's Van comes over to smoke some dope with Misty, finds Misty gone
and molested Haleigh, and Haleigh being under the influence of narcotics given to her earlier by Misty aspirated vomit during the attack and died.

Misty comes home and Joe is there, he tells her he found Haleigh dead, or let's Misty find that out for herself. Misty panicked ,and of course Joe offered to help her dispose of Haleigh, and in doing so he was actually protecting himself from authorities finding out she had been molested by him.
Misty feeling solely responsible at that point, and acting out of panic, and self preservation for having medicated Haleigh Freaked!

I think Misty may have realized after helping to dispose of Haleigh that Joe may have been involved in Haleigh's death. Perhaps she saw something on Haleigh or bed e.g blood,or semen stain on bedding. Remember when the police came upon the scene the washer was in use. with or without laundry detergent, Misty could have thrown dish detergent in the washer) to get rid of the vomit when Haleigh aspirated, and the incontinent urine.
(Misty may have been concerned the urine/vomit in bedding could have been checked for drugs) and then saw something else like semen, and connected the dots.

I say this because in her first statements/ramblings and I'm guessing she may have been in somewhat of a shocked state did implicate Joe, and stated he was a child molester. I think in her ramblings a little bit of true actually came out

In closing I can only add If Joe is innocent like he maintains why hasn't he volunteered to take a lie detector test? hmm
Instead of lawyering up.

In my opinion I think Tommy's involvement was a feeble act to protect/help his sister, after which they both realized they may have been used by Joe, to protect himself.

In my opinion I think the two main characters in this debacle are mc and j. and they both drew Tommy into helping with the disposal of Haleigh.

 

[Brwnigirl]

Hmmn.. really interesting theory exfiler. Would fit with the man in black and the bouncing on the couch.

 

[minazoe]

my theroy is a little simpler.

I think Misty took oxy's and crashed. I think Tommy went over and thought no one was there. I think Joe was there with the baby while Misty was crashed. I think they hooked up and took the baby out of the house. I think Misty was nodding out but remembers being threatened by Joe. Maybe he came back to the house before Ron came home. There could have been time.
Did she say at one point that she ran around looking everywhere and even went down by the water? or am I mixing up another case?

I think she knows what tommy told her in terms of details..but...she knows also what Joe did because he threatened to do it to her.

After joe threatened her she ran around looking for the baby...she was hysterical and didn't want to believe it.

These people are completely strung out...possibly with the exception of joe. most junkies are not hyper sexual or interested in children.

i believe joe is the predator and saw an opening...he was out of town too and may have felt emboldened.

As far as looking for Ron's gun..I think that was just an excuse to go over there when Ron wasn't home.

 

[debs]

Joe appears to me to be tough only when he has the strength of his buddies behind him. No one appeared horribly scared of him in the immediate time after Haleigh disappeared. He stayed at Chelsea and Timmy's house, with their children there. He hung posters with Misty. His myspace page showed a message from a friend telling him he should just go back to FL and clear it all up.

I do not think Joe harmed Haleigh, and this continued accusation that he's a pedophile baby raper just has to stop. There is NOTHING that substantiates this claim, not one thing. Even Misty and Joe's grandmother asserts that IF there was any sexual conduct between the two of them, it was "because she liked it" which as appalling as that statement is coming from a grandmother, gives an insight into exactly what sort of atmosphere there was surrounding it.

Many have speculated that Misty MIGHT have been the type to use sex as a means to an end, and if caught by any authority figures, would turn victim quickly. Listening to her grandmother speak, I've come to the conclusion that Misty has no doubt made accusations in her family and then begged for forgiveness for having pointed a finger because "she was forced to say it, she didn't mean it, etc etc" ...... It's all a game to her, not real people's lives she's messing with.

I do not think Joe is the person he's being made out to be. At this point, I do not believe he's the person who harmed Haleigh.

 

[bessie]

I do not think Joe harmed Haleigh, and this continued accusation that he's a pedophile baby raper just has to stop. There is NOTHING that substantiates this claim, not one thing. Even Misty and Joe's grandmother asserts that IF there was any sexual conduct between the two of them, it was "because she liked it" which as appalling as that statement is coming from a grandmother, gives an insight into exactly what sort of atmosphere there was surrounding it.

respectfully snipped and bbm

And might I just add: NOTHING!!!

Right on, debs.

 

[exfiler]

Joe appears to me to be tough only when he has the strength of his buddies behind him. No one appeared horribly scared of him in the immediate time after Haleigh disappeared. He stayed at Chelsea and Timmy's house, with their children there. He hung posters with Misty. His myspace page showed a message from a friend telling him he should just go back to FL and clear it all up.

I do not think Joe harmed Haleigh, and this continued accusation that he's a pedophile baby raper just has to stop. There is NOTHING that substantiates this claim, not one thing. Even Misty and Joe's grandmother asserts that IF there was any sexual conduct between the two of them, it was "because she liked it" which as appalling as that statement is coming from a grandmother, gives an insight into exactly what sort of atmosphere there was surrounding it.

Many have speculated that Misty MIGHT have been the type to use sex as a means to an end, and if caught by any authority figures, would turn victim quickly. Listening to her grandmother speak, I've come to the conclusion that Misty has no doubt made accusations in her family and then begged for forgiveness for having pointed a finger because "she was forced to say it, she didn't mean it, etc etc" ...... It's all a game to her, not real people's lives she's messing with.

I do not think Joe is the person he's being made out to be. At this point, I do not believe he's the person who harmed Haleigh.

14 months...Joe has had 14 months to take himself out of the loop, simply by taking a lie detector test...Sure he hung up posters...but don't you think it would have helped LE and the Haleigh investigation even more...had he choosen to eliminate himself from this picture.

Just saying,
ex

 

[debs]

14 months...Joe has had 14 months to take himself out of the loop, simply by taking a lie detector test...Sure he hung up posters...but don't you think it would have helped LE and the Haleigh investigation even more...had he choosen to eliminate himself from this picture.

Just saying,
ex

You'll understand I hope when I suggest that a LDT is not my only criteria for truthfulness. In fact, with these folks, I suspect they're all lying. I simply do not believe Joe is lying when he says he did not do anything to Haleigh.

 

[Maryann123]

I was at an appliance store this morning, and one of the sales clerks made a joke saying, "these boxes are so big, you could put a body in one of them." My mind was immediately drawn to Cousin Joe. Just as this guy was joking, I think Joe was joking about the river being a good place to get rid of a body. (if he ever said it at all) One of my favorite things to say is, "if you do that again, I'm gonna have to shoot ya!" I hope if someone I know gets shot, the cops don't come looking for me!

When LE made that trip to TN, I figured they must have some real proof, that Joe was involved, so I accepted the fact that I had been wrong about him, and he must be "the one." Now, I'm back to believing he is entirely innocent. I don't care who it turns out to be, as long as the RIGHT guy/girl goes to jail.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Does something have to tie JO in with evidence before he is actually arrested? He did get an attorney after this week's questioning. He's poised, ready to be arrested perhaps because he was that involved in the crime.

LE ruled him out before, and it would be especially embarrassing if it was JO all along unless they were waiting for actual evidence against him.

My gut tells me JO did it and TC helped. When I saw the Myspace page of JO, he clearly has a gun pointed at the camera. This dude doesn't fool me, LE is awaiting results on the testing, I sure hope they can get fingerprints! I think Misty was scared of Ron and JO. MOO

 

[passionflower]

I am rereading the rumors thread and here is what we said back 3/13/09

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80914&page=9

still reading

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Here is an early video where Lyndsy and Lisa are laying the brick work for throwing Joe under the bus.

Starts around the 40sec mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvswuH4abSo&NR=1