Was Joe involved?

[pip]

Tommy and Lyndsy loan the van to Chelsea Monday.

Lyndsy is doing her clinicals monday evening.

Lyndsy says she got home and Tommy had dinner made for her.

Tommy says he went to the trailer at 10:00

Lyndsy says Tommy never went anywhere after she got home

What vechile was Lyndsy using?

Foggy memory..but I sorta recall that Lindsy had a fellow student in Palatka she was said to carpool with.. I remember wondering what kind of things they talked about re: family etc. on the drive..
Does anyone remember this?
Added: Or she lived in Satsuma...can't remember..

 

[Brwnigirl]

I am beginning to lean towards Joe not being involved. I was looking at the case calendar. I see that Misty mentioned Joe as being possibly involved over a year ago, in Feb 2009.

I don't think if both he and Misty were involved that she would have turned on him so soon as he might have turned right back on her. I think she did it and Joe was an easy out so she named him early on.

 

[gngr~snap]

Joe = ScapeJoet? MOO

Maybe LE is certain he isn't involvrd because he mage the 2:13am 911 call on 2/10/09?
The seem SO certain... and I feel like if they thought he "might be involved" he's be locked up too?

 

[Kimster]

I am beginning to lean towards Joe not being involved. I was looking at the case calendar. I see that Misty mentioned Joe as being possibly involved over a year ago, in Feb 2009.

I don't think if both he and Misty were involved that she would have turned on him so soon as he might have turned right back on her. I think she did it and Joe was an easy out so she named him early on.

That makes a whole of sense to me.

 

[Muffet]

I am beginning to lean towards Joe not being involved. I was looking at the case calendar. I see that Misty mentioned Joe as being possibly involved over a year ago, in Feb 2009.

I don't think if both he and Misty were involved that she would have turned on him so soon as he might have turned right back on her. I think she did it and Joe was an easy out so she named him early on.

I tend to agree. Of course, I was also thrown off about Tommy, for the same reason, when she started pointing to him. (And since she was praising the virtues of Timmy, and he was pointing to Joe, I thought he must have been the one. I still think that's a strong possibility.)

Now it seems clear that Tommy and Misty were both involved, so I'm left to guess why she felt confident that he wouldn't take her down with him.

I've still got a foot on the fence about Joe. I'm inclined to think that, at most, he helped hide the evidence... Maybe she has something else to hold over his head, or he doesn't know enough to take her down...?

I don't believe Misty's story about him for a moment, though... I mean, please. If you're too afraid of someone to tattle on them, you either:

- don't finger them at all, or
- drop the hammer on them hard enough to put them safely away.

You sure as heck don't just poke at him with sticks like she did from the start. :doh:

 

[chesterp]

Up to his eyeballs...

If he had left the day before Haleigh would still be alive.

 

[Muffet]

BTW, I have read that Misty failed the LDT she recently took about the Joe story. Right?

Was that AH's deal? I wonder if there's any other source of that information to confirm it?

Could that be what made GMa FH shift her stance a little over the last week?

 

[Black Water]

I think Jo took her, killed her, and threw her in the river.
Now, did anyone help him dispose of HaLeigh???? IDK :waitasec:


JMO

I think that if there was an issue with a gun, Tommy seems to be the one that steals guns. I mean he has been arrested for stealing two since Haleigh went missing. I think that it is interesting that when Misty said Tommy could be involved and the press went to his house, he said she was "outta her mind" and then when he was charged with those B and E (in the neighborhood of Haleigh)and was told Misty turned him in he also said Misty was "outta her mind".) Tommy told LE that some yellow rope was missing from the van that "cousin Joe" borrowed that night. Then Tommy took LE to the place where Haleigh was disposed of and now LE has gone to Tommy's home to get some of this same rope. Cousin Joe had planned to leave the day after Haleigh went missing. Seems like it would be real stupid to commit this crime when you know you have to leave the next day. The story is that "Cousin Joe" put Haleigh in the river alive. Because when Joe and Tommy came to steal a gun it was gone? Was Misty going to just let them steal this gun? How was she going to explain that to Ron? Were Joe and Tommy going to share this gun? "Cousin Joe" had to get that rope and some cinder blocks and take a live Haleigh. What Misty just let him and did not call 911 when he left? Tommy just stood by while cousin Joe did all this? No way Jose. Tommy is one tricky, slimy, SOB. I do not know how many of these Croslin folks know what happened or what went down. Sometimes I even think LInsey and Chelsea know. But I for sure know that Tommy put Haleigh in that river. If I had to guess I would say he killed her to.

 

[Black Water]

I gotta say I'm confused and don't have a complete understanding of what happened, but I think at least all three of them are involved. I'm praying Misty did give Haliegh something if what I think happened that night. I think its possible Tommy and Joe abused Haliegh sexually and threw her into the river. But I don't know what happened earlier that day and why Ronald would send a headless rat to Tommy or why Teresa N. would take up for Misty. None of this makes sense right now. What a loathsome group of people. JMO

Do we know for a fact Ron put the Rat in the mailbox. Because I heard it was roadkill and that the way it was done was interesting as if someone did not want to make a mess. I do not put anything past Tommy Croslin. That being said if Ron Cummings did put the rat it could be simply because Tommy just had him arrested and just pressed charges against him. Could be Ron thought he was a rat. As far at Teresa taking up for Misty. Perhaps she believed Misty. She did seem to eventually change her mind.

 

[Black Water]

Anyone know just exactly how long Joe had been visiting in Satsuma? Also was that the first time Ron had met Joe or did he know Joe somehow before he met Misty 4-5 months prior to HaLeigh's disappearance. I asked a similar question on another thread (didn't realize this thread was here) because I'm curious as to how Ron knows so much about Joes' "habits."

Ron only knew Joe for two weeks. But if you listen carefully to Ron what he conveys about Joe has been told to him by Tommy Croslin. Just like when you listen to Chelsea Croslin you find that "she does not know Joe" but she has been informed. The story about Joe saying that Shell Harbor being a good place to get rid of a body because the alligators would eat it and the story about feeding the alligators was told to Flora the grandma and she says that Lisa Croslin called and told her this story when Joe first arrived nearly two weeks before Haleigh went missing. She said that Hank Sr and Tommy were fishing with Joe when he made this statement. In fact it seems that Ron and Joe did not see much of each other. The Croslin family has made issue that Joe would not go to the Cummings home but as I understand it Ron Cummings thought Joe stole a gun and told Joe that he was not welcome in his home any longer. That would explain why Joe did not want to return to the home with the Croslin Family. The fact that they seem to not even understand indicates to me that Ron Cummings told Joe in private and did not embarrass him in front of anyone. It just seems that many people speaking about cousin Joe do not know him, they just know that Tommy or Hank told them all about what a psycho he is.

 

[nomoresorrow]

In my opinion Jo is not involved. I'm even more convinced that he isn't since Gma Hollar admitted on JVM, after Levi asked her point-blank if Cousin Jo had any prior sexual crimes on his record (including juvie), to which she stated no. Misty's public smear campaign against Cousin Jo began immediately following LE's public statement(s) expressing doubts and concerns about Misty's account of the night/early morning when HaLeigh was supposedly abducted, including their disclosure of a tip(s) alleging that Misty was not at the MH that night... The heat was turned up on Misty so Misty did what Misty seems to do best; she lied - even more. She knew that in order to really captivate and convince her audience, she had to paint Cousin Jo as a child molestor/pedophile. As horrific as it is to think about a child being abducted, sexually assaulted, and murdered by a "John Couey" type, the public will much more readily accept and believe that, rather than accept and believe that the parent and/or a parent's live-in are actually behind the child's so-called "disappearance".

Fourteen months later; four failed lie detecter tests, one failed voice-stress analysis test, scores of television/media interviews of Misty, not only pointing at Cousin Jo over the past fourteen months, but at Crystal too - another popular and more palatable public theory. But the finger-pointing at Crystal (Crystal's family) is done out of frustration; she's reached her limit and grown tired of LE and the media's continued questions; She can't understand why they (LE) haven't just moved on - God knows she did/has done her darndest to make Jo fit "the profile".

Fourteen months later, not only do we know that Misty and the truth are strangers, we know that Cousin Jo stole cars - not kids. But it doesn't seem to matter because, next to Casey Anthony, Misty, the next most proven, non-credible individual on the planet, has still managed to accomplish ruining a young man's life. There are many who, dispite Misty's history of failed LDT's & VSA, even watching with their own eyes and listening with their own ears for the past fourteen months to her ever changing and evolving story/ies, are convinced that Cousin Jo is a sexual deviant and is responsible for HaLeigh's demise - This my friends is what gives the Casey A's and the Misty's of the world a whole lotta power.

JMHO ~

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I must say JVM had a great show last night, Levi and a caller asked two very important question. Below is part of the transcript from the show.

Two things that I found of interest on JVM.
Joe has no sex crime history per grandma, only car theft.
So, the claims of Joe molesting Haleigh or Misty seem false!

She also mentions that Ronald only married Misty so that she could not testify against him. Is that what Misty told her? What would Misty have over Ronald? Why would grandma make that comment? She could of went with the, he married her because of age.

IMO, grandma knows more but LE is only allowing her to say bits and pieces. I can't fault her for getting a little mixed up when she she is on air, she is old, she is getting her stories from two liars -Misty & Tommy, you can tell by her breathing she was very nervous.
I have to give her credit for not doing what the Anthony's did. At least she is trying IMO to get these 2 to talk. It is hard to point the finger at a family member, but she has the courage to express her feelings. She said at first she didn't think Misty had anything to do with it, but later on she says she feels she knows more as well as Tommy, Joe, and Ronald.
Maybe LE is using grandma to get to Misty, Tommy, and Ron? We never know, but kudos to her for calling LE with what ever information she may have.

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL TRANSCRIPTApril 20, 2010
Misty`s Grandmother Opens Up about Haleigh`s Fate http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/20/ijvm.01.html




LEVI PAGE, "LEVI PAGE SHOW": Yes, I would like to ask: has Joe -- does Joe have any criminal record that he had when he was a juvenile that has been sealed? If so, what were those crimes? His attorney is not addressing that. Maybe you could shed some light on that.

HOLLARS: Stealing automobiles. He served time in Woodland Hills for auto theft. As a matter of fact, he turned 18 in Woodland Hills.

PAGE: Any sex crimes? Any sex crimes?

HOLLARS: No sex crimes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you just also stated something about that. So, that`s a -- that`s an area obviously that we have to be very, very careful with.

Let me ask you this. Explain -- you said, Flo, that Joe told Ron and Tommy, oh, that would be a great place, the river, to commit a murder. When did he allegedly say this?

HOLLARS: This is right after he got down there. It wasn`t Ron, it was Tommy and his daddy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. And Joe said, allegedly, that would be a great place to commit a murder. When did he say that?

HOLLARS: And get by with it. A couple days after he was there -- my daughter called me and told me about that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You mean after Haleigh disappeared?

HOLLARS: No, no, no, no. Before Haleigh disappeared.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hmm. Well, what are your thoughts on that, Mike? We have a couple of seconds to wrap up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, it`s very interesting, you know -- was she maybe saying this to plant so she -- you know, as Ms. Hollars said, that she thinks that both -- that all Misty, Tommy and cousin Joe all may be implicated in this.

So, was she trying to set up a story then? Because apparently, if I`m right, Ms. Hollars, Misty hadn`t known Ronald that long when this happened.

HOLLARS: Four months.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s not very long at all.

HOLLARS: No, it`s not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why do you think Ron -- why do you think Ron married Misty even though his child disappeared on her watch?

HOLLARS: Because he didn`t think she could testify against him and he believed in her.

 

[Donjeta]

Do we know for a fact Ron put the Rat in the mailbox. Because I heard it was roadkill and that the way it was done was interesting as if someone did not want to make a mess. I do not put anything past Tommy Croslin. That being said if Ron Cummings did put the rat it could be simply because Tommy just had him arrested and just pressed charges against him. Could be Ron thought he was a rat. As far at Teresa taking up for Misty. Perhaps she believed Misty. She did seem to eventually change her mind.

We don't know anything for a fact but wasn't there a story that Ronald supposedly told someone (Tim Miller?) that he did the rat thing to see how well Misty could lie to the cops? To see if she could fool him? Whatever you think about that explanation, it amounts to a confession of sorts that RC did it (if it's true he said so).

 

[Whisperer]

So we have rc channeling JO because I clearly remember reading about rc saying throwing a body off the bridge at the Dunns Creek would be a good place because no one would ever find it. Man, this guy is a piece of work!

RC is definitely projecting his ideas or what he knows is out there about him and placing it on JO. If he so sure of all this, he should have planted himself at PCSO daily demanding they do more about JO.

 

[Whisperer]

We don't know anything for a fact but wasn't there a story that Ronald supposedly told someone (Tim Miller?) that he did the rat thing to see how well Misty could lie to the cops? To see if she could fool him? Whatever you think about that explanation, it amounts to a confession of sorts that RC did it (if it's true he said so).

There was a witness nearby who saw rc and misty in the truck that night. rc said he and misty were partying...partying? can you believe that? I get so furious whenever I think of rc and I am going way overboard trying to remain objective in this crime but everytime he opens his mouth, he convinces me he is a criminal.

 

[Whisperer]

Back to Joe, I just rewatched NG and the interview with JO's attorney. He states that JO WAS at the MH on the 9th or 10th. This backs up Hardy who would not say the date but it was pretty clear it was Monday. Sirgi also declined to answer about JO's poly.

Now we have another fact. The gun and rc seems to be my biggest problem. Because I have no substantiation of rc NOT being at work, I have been working hard to keep him out of the crime. However; it doesn't stop my imagination from wandering about this gun thing. RC hid it and for a good reason.

Misty throws out that JO wanted the gun..WHAT??? He already stole the gun once..10 days prior (according to rc) That weekend of the 1st must be a very interesting weekend..to say the least. I now see why LE is going backwards. It is because rc told them JO stole his gun that weekend...true?? not true?? RC lies.

 

[Dee10]

If Joe didn't take the van that night, that leaves Timmy or Chelsea doesn't it? Or maybe the van story was made up?

 

[Whisperer]

These are a bunch of druggies and they lie and on top of that they have no sense of time....hours, days. What they say happened that weekend prior to Haleigh missing, actually took place the weekend prior, IMO. JO came to town about the 27 of Jan. Things started happening about then..and I am betting it is because misty wants to spend time and party with JO. My instincts also tell me that rc and her were actually fighting and apart since JO arrived in town.

 

[Whisperer]

RC completely distances himself form JO...denying any fight or arguement with him. He now has a reason to tell LE all about JO and what does he do, he denies everything concerning JO. Nobody can convince any of us that rc took somebody stealing his gun w/o rc taking revenge and we know how bad that can be.

Why would he not want to tell LE about JO stealing his gun. Either it wasn't a gun or it never happened. hmmm, I wonder if it was drugs that JO wanted not a gun. RC is hiding something huge.

SPECULATION: So if JO came to the house and wanted drugs and actually did take Haleigh, rc would cover because of the drugs. He would never tell about JO because it implicates him and holds him responsible, even indirectly for Haleigh's death. Yes, rc is all about his perception of how others view him...There is a story here...has to be.

 

[suspicious1]

In my opinion Jo is not involved. I'm even more convinced that he isn't since Gma Hollar admitted on JVM, after Levi asked her point-blank if Cousin Jo had any prior sexual crimes on his record (including juvie), to which she stated no. Misty's public smear campaign against Cousin Jo began immediately following LE's public statement(s) expressing doubts and concerns about Misty's account of the night/early morning when HaLeigh was supposedly abducted, including their disclosure of a tip(s) alleging that Misty was not at the MH that night... The heat was turned up on Misty so Misty did what Misty seems to do best; she lied - even more. She knew that in order to really captivate and convince her audience, she had to paint Cousin Jo as a child molestor/pedophile. As horrific as it is to think about a child being abducted, sexually assaulted, and murdered by a "John Couey" type, the public will much more readily accept and believe that, rather than accept and believe that the parent and/or a parent's live-in are actually behind the child's so-called "disappearance".

Fourteen months later; four failed lie detecter tests, one failed voice-stress analysis test, scores of television/media interviews of Misty, not only pointing at Cousin Jo over the past fourteen months, but at Crystal too - another popular and more palatable public theory. But the finger-pointing at Crystal (Crystal's family) is done out of frustration; she's reached her limit and grown tired of LE and the media's continued questions; She can't understand why they (LE) haven't just moved on - God knows she did/has done her darndest to make Jo fit "the profile".

Fourteen months later, not only do we know that Misty and the truth are strangers, we know that Cousin Jo stole cars - not kids. But it doesn't seem to matter because, next to Casey Anthony, Misty, the next most proven, non-credible individual on the planet, has still managed to accomplish ruining a young man's life. There are many who, dispite Misty's history of failed LDT's & VSA, even watching with their own eyes and listening with their own ears for the past fourteen months to her ever changing and evolving story/ies, are convinced that Cousin Jo is a sexual deviant and is responsible for HaLeigh's demise - This my friends is what gives the Casey A's and the Misty's of the world a whole lotta power.

JMHO ~

Beautiful.....and absolutely true.

Hey Kimster-do you think we can get an "AMEN" button? "Thanks" was not enough for this post right here.