Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[In da Middle]

I honestly don't know how you are not seeing that the dresser/night stand is on the floor - it goes by quickly in the video, so here's another screen shot. There's a strip of tape beneath the foot of the dresser.

That is not the bottom of the chest. If it was, the crib would have no legs and be sitting on the floor mattress high. Notice that the top of the chest is about even with the top of the crib. IF that was the bottom, then the crib and the chest are only about 2 ft high or less.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They didn't just walk around with it. They brought it to the drive and we could see them doing something to it, like vacuuming it maybe, then they rolled it back up and took it to the back. Maybe Nina can rescue this with a media link if it is available. I can't find it as it might have just been live and not broadcast during the regular newstime.

This video shows the techs with the rolled up carpet heading towards the back of the house. It's very brief, around the 50 sec mark.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-17-hour-search-family-home/story?id=14779537#.T06S5_V0TJc

 

[vlpate]

But again, how would it make sense for them to bring it out from around back when that mean they maneuvered it through the entire house, down the basement steps, through the basement and out to the front? If they took it from any of the bedrooms it would make much more sense for them to take it out the front door and only have to go through the living room and down about 2-3 steps. It was shown that they brought it up the drive from the back then they took it back around to the back.

I don't know why they would do it that way, if, they did take it from Lisa's room. What they took from her room could have been just a cut out of the carpet. I do know, they took carpet from beside Lisa's bed. It was there before the searches, and now, at least part of it is gone.

 

[vlpate]

I also find it very odd that October 28 was the last tweet from Peter Alexander on Lisa. I've not seen another story on the case from him since them. I have to wonder if the video, and this picture had something to do with it. Peter would have known the carpet was cut out.... Did someone tell him to go home and report on Sundusky? I don't know.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I think it looks weird b/c you think he is standing closer to the wall, he is not. There are totes next to the dresser, running long ways between the crib and dresser. So he's not up next to the wall, he's standing at least 2 feet from the wall. That is not the bottom of the dresser that you are seeing. It's the wall behind the dresser you are seeing. I wish the camera guy would just step back and show a good view of the room, so there was a better shot of the totes and dresser.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It could possibly be just the way different eyes see things (for whatever reason). I see that area that has the arrow pointing to it as the wall. I could see that on the still photo and the video goes really quickly, but I think it is just the perspective that it is the floor. The tape is not under the dresser foot, it is on the wall, under the window. A lot has to do with the camera positioning and perspective. This isn't to say that the carpet wasn't removed. It still could have been removed even if there are no shots of the floor.

 

[In da Middle]

I don't know why they would do it that way, if, they did take it from Lisa's room. What they took from her room could have been just a cut out of the carpet. I do know, they took carpet from beside Lisa's bed. It was there before the searches, and now, at least part of it is gone.

The pic you are showing as "missing" carpet is the wall. The crib is not only a foot or two high. Your arrow is about mattress high. If they took a piece of carpet they are taking a chance for it to be thrown out by not listing it on the inventory. I am sure there were no "secret" search warrants that were sealed as the media would have been all over the filings. All filings for search warrants are public info whether local or federal. There was no other time when the house was tagged as being searched except for the first 3 days and no carpet was removed then as we saw it during the tours.

 

[hambirg]

Again, the filing would be public even if the warrant itself was sealed. The media would have been all over this just as they were for the original warrant filing. My above post and link state that ALL search warrant filings are public information no matter which agency.

Again, would the media even know to look for it? They might have assumed there was only one SW. Federal SW's are often only filed by index number. If they didn't know to ask for the index number or if the FBI wasn't sharing, then they would have a difficult time finding it. . .that's if they even thought to look for one.

We know other things were taken that day. Did they just spend all that time doing stuff to not take it. If they were vacuuming that carpet, what did they do with the contents of the bag? Just dump it out and not take it? That doesn't make any sense.

MOO

 

[vlpate]

Then there's the website set up by Cindy Short

http://www.findbabylisa.com/

There's not a single NBC video on this site - there was one, but it's been removed. Why? Where's Peter's tour of the home?

99% of the videos are from ABC. Peter Alexander was there and reporting on this case since October 6.

 

[vlpate]

The pic you are showing as "missing" carpet is the wall. The crib is not only a foot or two high. Your arrow is about mattress high. If they took a piece of carpet they are taking a chance for it to be thrown out by not listing it on the inventory. I am sure there were no "secret" search warrants that were sealed as the media would have been all over the filings. All filings for search warrants are public info whether local or federal. There was no other time when the house was tagged as being searched except for the first 3 days and no carpet was removed then as we saw it during the tours.

I'm sorry, but sometimes people are wrong about how high something is - understandable. The picture is a still from the video, and the angle is deceiving - watch the video, it's clear, the carpet has been cut or removed.

Arguing about a search warrant doesn't change the fact that the table in Peter Alexander's video is sitting on a cement floor.

 

[In da Middle]

I'm sorry, but sometimes people are wrong about how high something is - understandable. The picture is a still from the video, and the angle is deceiving - watch the video, it's clear, the carpet has been cut or removed.

Arguing about a search warrant doesn't change the fact that the table in Peter Alexander's video is sitting on a cement floor.

I did watch the video, as many on here have that have also stated that it is the wall. Nothing deceiving at all for me in it. There are no cement floors on that level so that would be impossible to see one. That is the second level of the house.

 

[SyraKelly]

I don't know if this will help-but I found 2 videos-1 on Oct 8 and the other on the 14-bothof this videos have different carpet TO ME- and the second video you can clearly see a piece of carpet missing by her crib..

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lisa-irwin-inside-home-14695353

the other video is posted on pg 4

 

[hambirg]

It could possibly be just the way different eyes see things (for whatever reason). I see that area that has the arrow pointing to it as the wall. I could see that on the still photo and the video goes really quickly, but I think it is just the perspective that it is the floor. The tape is not under the dresser foot, it is on the wall, under the window. A lot has to do with the camera positioning and perspective. This isn't to say that the carpet wasn't removed. It still could have been removed even if there are no shots of the floor.

It really is quite the optical illusion. I was seeing it the way vlpate was. I had to look several times till I realized that the black plastic was not extending all the way to the floor. It took looking at the feet of the crib to get the right perspective. That black mark that makes it look like that is the bottom of the dresser is actually the handle on the top tote, cutting off the bottom part of the dresser and giving the illusion.

 

[hambirg]

I don't know if this will help-but I found 2 videos-1 on Oct 8 and the other on the 14-bothof this videos have different carpet TO ME- and the second video you can clearly see a piece of carpet missing by her crib..

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lisa-irwin-inside-home-14695353

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/baby-lisa-irwin-video_n_1011232.html

Is that second link wrong? It takes me to a video of the home videos.

 

[SyraKelly]

Is that second link wrong? It takes me to a video of the home videos.

hmm-hang on ham-let me look..

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Is that second link wrong? It takes me to a video of the home videos.

I was wondering the same thing, and most of the shots looked lie they were taken in the spare livingroom as they call it, judging by the wood on the walls.

 

[SyraKelly]

OK-I think I found it..http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-exclusive-tour-irwin-house-14801121

I can clearly see where at the foot of her crib on the floor the carpet is missing..also in the other video a nightstand was here.
sorry about the confusion-I am just trying to help

 

[SyraKelly]

Also-wasn't her crib on the other wall-I don't remember ever seeing it in front of the window

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

OK-I think I found it..http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-exclusive-tour-irwin-house-14801121

I can clearly see where at the foot of her crib on the fllor the carpet is missing..also in the other video a nightstand was here.
sorry about the confusion-I am just trying to help

To me it looked like a lid off one of the clear totes that are stacked against the wall, really hard to tell since they cut the colour in the last portion of the video from the point it showed DB onward.

 

[In da Middle]

Just wondering, if they showed these videos then, wouldn't it have been noticed then that carpet was missing? I see absolutely no carpet missing on any video today and didn't then either. Nobody noticed missing carpet in 4 months?? I don't think so. It would have been discussed ad nauseum then.