Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[vlpate]

"so no one can look inside" eh? ... i see where you're going... hmmm.

i never really followed the BS thing... so i can't answer... sorry.

Bill Stanton, their hired, ahem, PI. Lisa goes missing October 4, Bill Stanton enters the home for the first time on October 31st.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Dan Harris did a tour of the home on October 12 - and look at what is beside the bed! A SMALLER side table - like one that would go with the larger chest. No way this is the same chest in Peter's video or the still in Cindy Short's video presentation, it doesn't have the lip on the top. Now I'm wondering if half the stuff on the floor by DB's bed came out of the taller chest that is shown in the late October videos. Everything was moved around between October 12 and 24th.

CS photo

The thing to the left of the crib in the first picture is a stack of dresser drawers. I assume they go in the dresser that is on the left in the 2nd picture, but where is that dresser in the first picture? IIRC from the video it is to the left of the stack of drawers.

All the moving of stuff feels like some magician trick to make us crazy.

 

[vlpate]

Look all the way to the left, and under the bed - looks like a rug to me.

 

[iamnotagolem]

is that a piece of carpet missing by her crib?

In the 2nd pic? I'm not sure, I don't understand why it's in B&W

 

[vlpate]

is that a piece of carpet missing by her crib?

or the edge of the rug?

 

[iamnotagolem]

Horrible thought. Would Lisa fit in one of those totes?

 

[vlpate]

The thing to the left of the crib in the first picture is a stack of dresser drawers. I assume they go in the dresser that is on the left in the 2nd picture, but where is that dresser in the first picture? IIRC from the video it is to the left of the stack of drawers.

All the moving of stuff feels like some magician trick to make us crazy.

That's what I thought too, but it looks smooth on top - my computer is a small notebook, so it's hard as he** for me to see - obviously. You're right, why all the moving everything around? They did the same thing in the master, but not so much with furniture. CS spent most of her time in the master, trying to show LE found nothing. They've never said nothing was taken from Lisa's room - just the master.

 

[melissasmom]

Look all the way to the left, and under the bed - looks like a rug to me.

I think it looks like a rug also. Hard to see from the quality of the picture, but it seems to have a "diamond" pattern to it?

 

[norest4thewicked]

That's what I thought too, but it looks smooth on top - my computer is a small notebook, so it's hard as he** for me to see - obviously. You're right, why all the moving everything around? They did the same thing in the master, but not so much with furniture. CS spent most of her time in the master, trying to show LE found nothing. They've never said nothing was taken from Lisa's room - just the master.

Don't we know that several things were taken from Lisa's room? I can't remember exactly, but I thought they took several garbage bags out including blankets.

 

[DeAnn]

Just curious....

Why would Short, Tacopina and Picerno make such a big issue about no carpet being removed if it was? Why would they specifically criticize this and risk police firing back either officially on the record or off the record that carpet was removed?

Police have scoffed at the "poopy" diaper theory, why would they not scoff at the no carpet removed?

Why would they take carpet and not the crib? (not taking the crib has drawn criticism of police)

Regarding search warrants in Missouri, the search warrant returns are public record unless a judge seals them. In this case, police sought to have the return sealed and the request was denied.

However, if a search warrant IS sealed the media doesn't know what is in the sealed document but they know the document was sealed. I could give you examples if you really, really want them.

I don't know about federal search warrants but the FBI has been assisting. The lead investigative agency is KCPD. And Clay County prosecutor is the one who will decide if and when to file charges. I have never heard anyone suggest that this would be a case for a U.S. Attorney's Office. I'm not an attorney but interjecting an FBI search warrant at the house (as opposed to out of state or for something else) could create jurisdictional issues and chain of custody issues if/when charges are filed in connection with Lisa's disappearance.

 

[iamnotagolem]

My personal theory on why the crib wasn't taken? She was never in it. It's not hard to see that the crib was way too high for any child over 4-5 months old.

 

[SyraKelly]

My personal theory on why the crib wasn't taken? She was never in it. It's not hard to see that the crib was way too high for any child over 4-5 months old.

Where do you think she was?

 

[iamnotagolem]

Where do you think she was?

I don't know, I wish I did. I wish I knew where she typically slept.

I realize not everyone is big on safety, there were pictures of Lisa in a forward facing carseat, which is not only illegal, but extremely dangerous. So I guess it is possible that they were just too lazy or didn't care and left her crib up higher. I have no idea how on earth they managed to keep her in her crib all evening.

 

[melissasmom]

I don't know, I wish I did. I wish I knew where she typically slept.

I realize not everyone is big on safety, there were pictures of Lisa in a forward facing carseat, which is not only illegal, but extremely dangerous. So I guess it is possible that they were just too lazy or didn't care and left her crib up higher. I have no idea how on earth they managed to keep her in her crib all evening.

I have been looking at pictures of the crib, and to be honest, I don't think the mattress IS set that high. Look at the black and white pic posted above. The top of the mattress would be right there where the bottom of the bumper pad is. I don't think it looks too high. When you look at the crib from other angles, I think it appears the mattress is set higher. But I think it is just from those certan angles.

If they had Lisa in a crib that had a mattress at the highest or close to the highest setting, then she would have been falling out of it every day, you would think. I just don't see them doing that. DB/JI may not be perfect, but I am giving them some credit as to not have their baby falling out of her crib repeatedly and doing nothing about it.

I am not sure what you are referring to as far as the car seat. I have only seen one picture of Lisa in a car seat, and she seemed large enough to be in a forward facing seat. I thought babies were supposed to be rear facing up to 20 pounds and then switched to the forward facing? It has been many years since I had an infant, but I seem to recall my kids were in the "toddler" type seats before they were one year.

 

[Sparklin]

hmm...not sure how to post a picture from my computer - but the carpet is def. still there when Peter walks towards the crib. That weirdish coloured thing is actually 'something' and not the floor. Help on posting pic??

Right below the 'Today' tag - carpet - same carpet as was in original pics.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I have been looking at pictures of the crib, and to be honest, I don't think the mattress IS set that high. Look at the black and white pic posted above. The top of the mattress would be right there where the bottom of the bumper pad is. I don't think it looks too high. When you look at the crib from other angles, I think it appears the mattress is set higher. But I think it is just from those certan angles.

If they had Lisa in a crib that had a mattress at the highest or close to the highest setting, then she would have been falling out of it every day, you would think. I just don't see them doing that. DB/JI may not be perfect, but I am giving them some credit as to not have their baby falling out of her crib repeatedly and doing nothing about it.

I am not sure what you are referring to as far as the car seat. I have only seen one picture of Lisa in a car seat, and she seemed large enough to be in a forward facing seat. I thought babies were supposed to be rear facing up to 20 pounds and then switched to the forward facing? It has been many years since I had an infant, but I seem to recall my kids were in the "toddler" type seats before they were one year.

http://www.carseat.org/Resources/FAQs.htm

2 years and preferably longer.

 

[melissasmom]

http://www.carseat.org/Resources/FAQs.htm

2 years and preferably longer.

Thanks. I have never seen a rear facing car seat for a 2 year old. Didn't even know they made them. My granddaughter has been in a forward facing seat long before she turned 2 (she just turned 3) and nobody better say my daughter does not love her or is "too lazy" to care about her safety or whatever, or this grandma will get to scrappin'. Just my opinion.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Where do you think she was?

If that baby bed is the way it was when she went missing then it had been a long time since she slept there. She had been sleeping with mom and dad. No doubt in my mind.

 

[Sparklin]

This video shows the techs with the rolled up carpet heading towards the back of the house. It's very brief, around the 50 sec mark.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-17-hour-search-family-home/story?id=14779537#.T06S5_V0TJc

Yes, not 100% but I think Jim S can confirm that carpet came from the shed and was returned to the shed.

 

[vlpate]

Just curious....

Why would Short, Tacopina and Picerno make such a big issue about no carpet being removed if it was? Why would they specifically criticize this and risk police firing back either officially on the record or off the record that carpet was removed?

Because police don't fire back. Because they can. Because they are trying this case in the court of public opinion and causing reasonable doubt. There's not a high profile case that it hasn't been done.

Police have scoffed at the "poopy" diaper theory, why would they not scoff at the no carpet removed?

Really? I missed the police scoffing at the poopy diaper. Do you have a link? They haven't scoffed at anything....and if they were going to, it would have been the silly blob video - or the guy that paid Jersey - or the DT telling the public how their clients have cooperated in every way.

Why would they take carpet and not the crib? (not taking the crib has drawn criticism of police)

They took evidence from the crib. Let me ask you, why did they rearrange the room? Why did Short get fired after this video?

Regarding search warrants in Missouri, the search warrant returns are public record unless a judge seals them. In this case, police sought to have the return sealed and the request was denied.

I understand that. There were consensual searches prior to the warrant search.

However, if a search warrant IS sealed the media doesn't know what is in the sealed document but they know the document was sealed. I could give you examples if you really, really want them.

I understand, but we saw them put way more than what was on the search warrant receipt - that tells me those seven items could not have been all the took during the multiple searches.

I don't know about federal search warrants but the FBI has been assisting. The lead investigative agency is KCPD. And Clay County prosecutor is the one who will decide if and when to file charges. I have never heard anyone suggest that this would be a case for a U.S. Attorney's Office. I'm not an attorney but interjecting an FBI search warrant at the house (as opposed to out of state or for something else) could create jurisdictional issues and chain of custody issues if/when charges are filed in connection with Lisa's disappearance.

All greek to me, but the information is greatly appreciated