Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[iamnotagolem]

I have been looking at pictures of the crib, and to be honest, I don't think the mattress IS set that high. Look at the black and white pic posted above. The top of the mattress would be right there where the bottom of the bumper pad is. I don't think it looks too high. When you look at the crib from other angles, I think it appears the mattress is set higher. But I think it is just from those certan angles.

If they had Lisa in a crib that had a mattress at the highest or close to the highest setting, then she would have been falling out of it every day, you would think. I just don't see them doing that. DB/JI may not be perfect, but I am giving them some credit as to not have their baby falling out of her crib repeatedly and doing nothing about it.

I am not sure what you are referring to as far as the car seat. I have only seen one picture of Lisa in a car seat, and she seemed large enough to be in a forward facing seat. I thought babies were supposed to be rear facing up to 20 pounds and then switched to the forward facing? It has been many years since I had an infant, but I seem to recall my kids were in the "toddler" type seats before they were one year.

Children should remain rear facing as long as possible, for a minimum of 1 year and 20 lbs. The AAP recommends 2 years old, but all carseats recommend rear facing until the maximum capabilities of the carseat. Most limits are now 35-45 rear facing.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Thanks. I have never seen a rear facing car seat for a 2 year old. Didn't even know they made them. My granddaughter has been in a forward facing seat long before she turned 2 (she just turned 3) and nobody better say my daughter does not love her or is "too lazy" to care about her safety or whatever, or this grandma will get to scrappin'. Just my opinion.

Most parents just aren't educated on carseat safety, which is a tragedy. Auto accidents are the leading cause of death in children, most of which are preventable by educating parents on proper carseat safety.

 

[vlpate]

If that baby bed is the way it was when she went missing then it had been a long time since she slept there. She had been sleeping with mom and dad. No doubt in my mind.

Those are bumper pads around the crib....and they are so dangerous for a child her size.

 

[Sparklin]

Why couldn't they take it out the back door that leads out the computer room onto the deck? Isn't that the door closest to Lisa's room? I'm still a little fuzzy on the layout of the house.

IIRC it came from the shed.

 

[melissasmom]

Most parents just aren't educated on carseat safety, which is a tragedy. Auto accidents are the leading cause of death in children, most of which are preventable by educating parents on proper carseat safety.

I agree more people should be educated on car seat safety. However, if the forward facing seats are only supposed to be used for children ages 2+, why do they even make them? Mostof the forward facing that I looked at (yes, I did look) say "for children over 20 pounds" Technically, my almost 13 year old should be in a booster seat (he is not 4'9" yet) But do I make him use a booster? No, I don't. I think I stopped using a booster seat when he was maybe 7 or so. The new "guidelines" for cribs and infant sleeping say that you should put your baby to sleep with NOTHING-just the crib, mattress, and a sheet. No blanket, stuffed animal, nothing. How many people actually do this? I am not trying to make light of safety, but I would be interested in knowing how many people follow the guidelines that are continuously put out there and changed all the time. Are all these people (including me and many people I know) horrible parents? Are they stupid? Lazy? Anyone can cast judgements on what they think is bad parenting and pick everything apart. I personally, don't see anything wrong with that crib or the car seat that I saw. But that is just my opinion.

 

[Sparklin]

link from SyraKelly post #72: Carpet

link from vplate post #49: Same carpet

 

[hambirg]

As far as the search warrant. . .I spoke with a "friend" that is in the criminal justice system and he said that yes, it is not unheard of to have 2 search warrants served at the same time. He suggested that anything having to do with the phones might be better served under a Federal warrant, for example.

If the FBI did file one and was granted it be sealed. . .it would simply state the "file number-sealed". The example I was given was it would say 9- sealed (I don't know how many actual numbers it would have. I was told "it would only say 9-123 sealed, for example."


As an aside, he said that it is even possible to ask that the filing be delayed. It is up to the judge to rule on that. As long as there is probable cause, the party it is served on is notified, it is specific enough in scope and the items seized are disclosed to the party. . .basically all the rules of a lawful search warrant. . .the judge can decide if enough cause is shown to grant the request.

 

[vlpate]

link from SyraKelly post #72: Carpet

link from vplate post #49: Same carpet

Yes, I think we got past there being no carpet there - but this is a rug, and I wonder why there's a rug and why they felt the need to move a huge chest and the stackable storage there. As you can see from your own picture, there was only a swing before.

Ty

ETA: I still think they cut something out where the rug and the dresser are.

 

[vlpate]

Thanks. I have never seen a rear facing car seat for a 2 year old. Didn't even know they made them. My granddaughter has been in a forward facing seat long before she turned 2 (she just turned 3) and nobody better say my daughter does not love her or is "too lazy" to care about her safety or whatever, or this grandma will get to scrappin'. Just my opinion.

Me either! I drive my little pea (almost 3), around in a forward facing and I always have. 26 years ago, when my daughter was a baby, we didn't do that, so I just didn't know. The baby's mom has a forward facing too - I just sent her this information! I'm sure she just didn't know.

That's not a car seat in the bed, is it? That thing looks way too small for Lisa, whatever it is.

 

[hambirg]

Yes, I think we got past there being no carpet there - but this is a rug, and I wonder why there's a rug and why they felt the need to move a huge chest and the stackable storage there. As you can see from your own picture, there was only a swing before.

Ty

ETA: I still think they cut something out where the rug and the dresser are.

Is this the rug you think you are seeing?

 

[vlpate]

Is this the rug you think you are seeing?

I don't know, I don't see any specks in the other ones. This is a super clear picture though - makes you wonder why all the others of the room are so blurry.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Lisa wasn't even one when she went missing so we can say for a fact that she was illegal in a forward facing car seat. So it's not even saying they aret safety conscience or educated. They were breaking the law and Putting Lisa at unnecessary risk.

I dont understand your forward facing question.

I honesty dont understand why most parents don't do everything they can to protect their children. You know your child's risk of dying in a car accident far exceeds the chanc elf them being shot by a gun but don't you teach your kids not to play with guns? Why not keep them protected in a car?

Eta: All "you's" general.

I just turned my kids rearfacing a couple of weeks ago b/c they outgrew the heightrestrictions of their car seats for rear facing. They are 2.5 and almost 4.

Google internal decapitation. If that doesn't scare you into rearfacing our babies I dont know what will. Some countries rearface until 4 y/o. I wish we could buy foreign car seats.

But I will leave the subject all now. I know it's way off topic. It just pains me to see parents who don't protect their kids.

I agree more people should be educated on car seat safety. However, if the forward facing seats are only supposed to be used for children ages 2+, why do they even make them? Mostof the forward facing that I looked at (yes, I did look) say "for children over 20 pounds" Technically, my almost 13 year old should be in a booster seat (he is not 4'9" yet) But do I make him use a booster? No, I don't. I think I stopped using a booster seat when he was maybe 7 or so. The new "guidelines" for cribs and infant sleeping say that you should put your baby to sleep with NOTHING-just the crib, mattress, and a sheet. No blanket, stuffed animal, nothing. How many people actually do this? I am not trying to make light of safety, but I would be interested in knowing how many people follow the guidelines that are continuously put out there and changed all the time. Are all these people (including me and many people I know) horrible parents? Are they stupid? Lazy? Anyone can cast judgements on what they think is bad parenting and pick everything apart. I personally, don't see anything wrong with that crib or the car seat that I saw. But that is just my opinion.

 

[iamnotagolem]

One last thing. Children are 500% safer rearfacing.

 

[vlpate]

Lisa wasn't even one when she went missing so we can say for a fact that she was illegal in a forward facing car seat. So it's not even saying they aret safety conscience or educated. They were breaking the law and Putting Lisa at unnecessary risk.

It's not illegal in Texas or Missouri not to have the infant in a rear facing car seat, just that a car seat is used. This is as of March 2012:

http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/childsafety_laws.html



Respectfully snipped. I never see anyone's kids in rear facing seats. If it's a law in your state the sight must be commonplace. I'm reading now where it is recommended, and that's good to know, thank you!

 

[melissasmom]

It's not illegal in Texas or Missouri not to have the infant in a rear facing car seat, just that a car seat is used. This is as of March 2012:

http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/childsafety_laws.html



Respectfully snipped. I never see anyone's kids in rear facing seats. If it's a law in your state the sight must be commonplace. I'm reading now where it is recommended, and that's good to know, thank you!

Yes, it is good to know. My only "beef" with the whole car seat issue was the insinuation that DB/JI didn't care about Lisa or her safety because of the car seat thing. I strongly disagree with this characterization based on THAT. And that is it, as this subject is indeed o/t for this thread.

JMO

 

[Melon]

As far as the search warrant. . .I spoke with a "friend" that is in the criminal justice system and he said that yes, it is not unheard of to have 2 search warrants served at the same time. He suggested that anything having to do with the phones might be better served under a Federal warrant, for example.

If the FBI did file one and was granted it be sealed. . .it would simply state the "file number-sealed". The example I was given was it would say 9- sealed (I don't know how many actual numbers it would have. I was told "it would only say 9-123 sealed, for example."


As an aside, he said that it is even possible to ask that the filing be delayed. It is up to the judge to rule on that. As long as there is probable cause, the party it is served on is notified, it is specific enough in scope and the items seized are disclosed to the party. . .basically all the rules of a lawful search warrant. . .the judge can decide if enough cause is shown to grant the request.

The media cannot sensationalize that much, can they? *booming newscaster voice* "The week of the warrant there were x amount of federal warrants issued and sealed." */booming newscaster voice* You just can't make compelling news out of that information with no way to tie it back to BL.

A sealed federal warrant doesn't seem out of the realm of likely to me. If more than 7 items were taken, they had to go somewhere.

I spoke with someone who has executed hundreds of warrants and they said if the stuff was packaged as evidence, it would be taken. If for some reason, they decided they no longer needed those items (which would be highly unlikely in an open investigation, especially one like this) the owners would have to come pick them up from the department who served the warrant. *shrugs*

 

[In da Middle]

As far as the search warrant. . .I spoke with a "friend" that is in the criminal justice system and he said that yes, it is not unheard of to have 2 search warrants served at the same time. He suggested that anything having to do with the phones might be better served under a Federal warrant, for example.

If the FBI did file one and was granted it be sealed. . .it would simply state the "file number-sealed". The example I was given was it would say 9- sealed (I don't know how many actual numbers it would have. I was told "it would only say 9-123 sealed, for example."


As an aside, he said that it is even possible to ask that the filing be delayed. It is up to the judge to rule on that. As long as there is probable cause, the party it is served on is notified, it is specific enough in scope and the items seized are disclosed to the party. . .basically all the rules of a lawful search warrant. . .the judge can decide if enough cause is shown to grant the request.

By Federal law they can only be delayed for up to 10 days (link provided upstream). Even if the warrants were sealed, the filings would be public and they would be able to see the address and/or name of where it was served. I am pretty sure we have local reporters that would have sought out this info.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I also don't understand why anyone would take chances with their baby not in a rear facing car seat when the data is out there that it is the safest way to travel for a little one. Too many babies die in car accidents that could have been prevented by them being in a rear facing seat or having the seat attached properly. I didn't give any "special instructions" to my two daughters that have my two little grand-babies and I know that they didn't take any special classes to find out that babies are supposed to stay in a rear facing car seat. They do it and so does every other person that I know who has little ones. I think that saying a person "just didn't know" is negligence. But, then again, we already know that DB was not known for her wonderful mothering skills. I'm sure that a lot of parents don't put their kids into rear facing car seats for as long as the federal guidelines suggest, but to me this is just taking unnecessary chances with your child's life.

 

[highflyer]

I also don't understand why anyone would take chances with their baby not in a rear facing car seat when the data is out there that it is the safest way to travel for a little one. Too many babies die in car accidents that could have been prevented by them being in a rear facing seat or having the seat attached properly. I didn't give any "special instructions" to my two daughters that have my two little grand-babies and I know that they didn't take any special classes to find out that babies are supposed to stay in a rear facing car seat. They do it and so does every other person that I know who has little ones. I think that saying a person "just didn't know" is negligence. But, then again, we already know that DB was not known for her wonderful mothering skills. I'm sure that a lot of parents don't put their kids into rear facing car seats for as long as the federal guidelines suggest, but to me this is just taking unnecessary chances with your child's life.

And the carpeting?

 

[vlpate]

I also don't understand why anyone would take chances with their baby not in a rear facing car seat when the data is out there that it is the safest way to travel for a little one. Too many babies die in car accidents that could have been prevented by them being in a rear facing seat or having the seat attached properly. I didn't give any "special instructions" to my two daughters that have my two little grand-babies and I know that they didn't take any special classes to find out that babies are supposed to stay in a rear facing car seat. They do it and so does every other person that I know who has little ones. I think that saying a person "just didn't know" is negligence. But, then again, we already know that DB was not known for her wonderful mothering skills. I'm sure that a lot of parents don't put their kids into rear facing car seats for as long as the federal guidelines suggest, but to me this is just taking unnecessary chances with your child's life.

This really bothers me - I swear, I did not get the memo about the rear facing car seat. When I bought mine for the 2 1/2 yr. old, I don't recall even seeing "rear-facing" on the instructions - and trust me, I had to read them thoroughly. Her mother straps the baby into the car seat in my car almost every time I go to pick the baby up, so I am really irritated she hasn't said anything. The thing is, I receive growth updates from one of the baby sites about once per month. I forward them to the mother because I know she doesn't research anything on her own, I'm anal about keeping up - I don't recall ever seeing anything about the car seat! The car seat in the mother's car has been forward facing as long as I can remember, but I can't say I am surprised....her baby is just an annoyance that interrupts her schedule three times a day to eat. I will be buying a new car seat before I pick the baby up again, and no doubt will need to buy one for her mother's car.

What I don't understand, this baby was a preemie, when the parents left the hospital they had to show the staff that they had a properly installed car seat, wonder why they didn't say anything then? It makes perfect sense after researching, why this is a requirement, I feel guilty for not having her in one this last year. Her other grandmother has a forward facing as well. I'm calling her now!

It's ok with me that this got off-topic, the information was worth it.

Back to topic now though....

If carpet was not cut out by the bed, why did they move the furniture there? Any ideas? Why is the picture of the baby's room, from Cindy Short's video, in black and white? IMO, there's something there.