Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[hambirg]

BBM.
Does this mean that only Federal LE agency's can get search warrants in regards to phones? I would hope that local LE could get the same information or wire taps as the Feds.

I'm not sure how it applies to local LE. I guess it would depend on the state statutes. What I do know that a crime involving cell phones can fall under Federal Jurisdiction.

Here's an interesting article that explains it well, better than I can in this limited space. . . .

The presence of "interstate commerce" is thought to render the crime at issue a federal crime - since under the Constitution, the involvement of "interstate commerce" gives Congress a right to legislate.

But what counts as "interstate commerce"? In the federal murder-for-hire statute, interstate travel and interstate commerce - which can merely be the use of the mail, or a telephone - can both count.

. . .. For it ensures that the mere act of picking up a phone (and cellphones count), or dropping a letter in one's own mailbox, can transform an alleged state crime into an alleged federal crime.

The breadth of the statute's reach has inevitably led to some strange scenarios for the courts. The Fifth Circuit and Eleventh Circuit, for instance, both had to consider whether an intrastate call could still count as interstate commerce for the purpose of the federal murder-for-hire statute.

The Fifth Circuit decision simply said yes.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20031015.html

It's a really good read. It even speaks to the fact that you can be tried both on the state level and federal level without invoking double jeopardy. :what:

 

[highflyer]

Are you talking about the one LE officer who was seen wearing a "vice" T-shirt? I just thought that she was there to help search and that was her only Police shirt. If an officer had a "Bomb Squad" T-shirt on during a search, would it mean they were looking for a bomb?

Yes, that is who I was referring to. And yes simple minded fool that I am, would think that a bomb squad t-shirted individual was either looking for a bomb or explosives.

 

[highflyer]

Because there was a baby missing and literally hundreds of officers were involved in the search for her?

I don't know. Why were homicide detectives there? Why were assault squad detectives there? I could go on and on. There were a lot of officers there those first days. They weren't undercover officers that much is for sure.

I do know that there was grousing about all the resources being put into finding a missing white baby when some African-American leaders complained about why similar resources weren't put to solve black on black crime in the inner city. That was a simmering issue that first week when an unprecedented amount of officers, FBI agents and KCFD folks were swarming the Northland for a single missing baby. Upwards of 500 officers were involved. Let me repeat. 500. There were jokes that if you wanted to commit a crime south of the river that that was the time to do it because no one was around to investigate.

Someone can start a thread on why was vice there that day and the speculation can begin. But the lead detectives remain crimes against children.

But here's my question...if the feds executed a search warrant on the home, why are Picerno and Tacopina going out of their way repeatedly to praise the FBI's handling of this case???

What was so exciting was to see the inter agency cooperation and teamwork.

 

[hambirg]

Thank you. I had forgotten about the Clay County Sheriff's Office involvement.

500 officers. Not just vice. Homicide, you name it. They threw everything out that they could to find Lisa who has just disappeared into the night.

Then don't you think it's safe to assume, with all those resources thrown at this case, that there would be a SW for electronic surveillance of those phones that went missing with the baby? That would have been really foolish if there wasn't. Imagine if those phones would have started pinging a few days late in Puerto Rico!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm not sure how it applies to local LE. I guess it would depend on the state statutes. What I do know that a crime involving cell phones can fall under Federal Jurisdiction.

Here's an interesting article that explains it well, better than I can in this limited space. . . .

The presence of "interstate commerce" is thought to render the crime at issue a federal crime - since under the Constitution, the involvement of "interstate commerce" gives Congress a right to legislate.

But what counts as "interstate commerce"? In the federal murder-for-hire statute, interstate travel and interstate commerce - which can merely be the use of the mail, or a telephone - can both count.

. . .. For it ensures that the mere act of picking up a phone (and cellphones count), or dropping a letter in one's own mailbox, can transform an alleged state crime into an alleged federal crime.

The breadth of the statute's reach has inevitably led to some strange scenarios for the courts. The Fifth Circuit and Eleventh Circuit, for instance, both had to consider whether an intrastate call could still count as interstate commerce for the purpose of the federal murder-for-hire statute.

The Fifth Circuit decision simply said yes.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20031015.html

It's a really good read. It even speaks to the fact that you can be tried both on the state level and federal level without invoking double jeopardy. :what:

Thanks for the info. I'm sure that KCPD can get search warrants for phone records and phone taps when necessary. I'm not so sure why the FBI would have their own secret warrants and investigation aside of the local police.

 

[vlpate]

Because there was a baby missing and literally hundreds of officers were involved in the search for her?

I don't know. Why were homicide detectives there? Why were assault squad detectives there? I could go on and on. There were a lot of officers there those first days. They weren't undercover officers that much is for sure.

I do know that there was grousing about all the resources being put into finding a missing white baby when some African-American leaders complained about why similar resources weren't put to solve black on black crime in the inner city. That was a simmering issue that first week when an unprecedented amount of officers, FBI agents and KCFD folks were swarming the Northland for a single missing baby. Upwards of 500 officers were involved. Let me repeat. 500. There were jokes that if you wanted to commit a crime south of the river that that was the time to do it because no one was around to investigate.

Someone can start a thread on why was vice there that day and the speculation can begin. But the lead detectives remain crimes against children.

But here's my question...if the feds executed a search warrant on the home, why are Picerno and Tacopina going out of their way repeatedly to praise the FBI's handling of this case???

BEM: How does black on black crime compare to a helpless, missing 10 month old baby?

BEM 2: Are you saying they would be upset if the FBI executed a search warrant?

 

[vlpate]

Thanks for the info. I'm sure that KCPD can get search warrants for phone records and phone taps when necessary. I'm not so sure why the FBI would have their own secret warrants and investigation aside of the local police.

I don't think anyone suggested there was a "secret" warrant or investigation going on by the FBI aside from the police.

The FBI is involved because this is an alleged kidnapping. We are just trying to figure out if it would be possible for there to be other search warrants not made public yet. The reason we're trying to figure that out is because I started this thread to discuss whether or not carpeting might have been removed from beside the baby's bed.

Now I'm trying to figure out if there was a rug under the bed with hardwood beneath it?

 

[vlpate]

I'm not sure how it applies to local LE. I guess it would depend on the state statutes. What I do know that a crime involving cell phones can fall under Federal Jurisdiction.

Here's an interesting article that explains it well, better than I can in this limited space. . . .

The presence of "interstate commerce" is thought to render the crime at issue a federal crime - since under the Constitution, the involvement of "interstate commerce" gives Congress a right to legislate.

But what counts as "interstate commerce"? In the federal murder-for-hire statute, interstate travel and interstate commerce - which can merely be the use of the mail, or a telephone - can both count.

. . .. For it ensures that the mere act of picking up a phone (and cellphones count), or dropping a letter in one's own mailbox, can transform an alleged state crime into an alleged federal crime.

The breadth of the statute's reach has inevitably led to some strange scenarios for the courts. The Fifth Circuit and Eleventh Circuit, for instance, both had to consider whether an intrastate call could still count as interstate commerce for the purpose of the federal murder-for-hire statute.

The Fifth Circuit decision simply said yes.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20031015.html

It's a really good read. It even speaks to the fact that you can be tried both on the state level and federal level without invoking double jeopardy. :what:

Very interesting, I wish the Feds would try KCA lease: (j/k)

 

[askfornina]

Now I'm trying to figure out if there was a rug under the bed with hardwood beneath it?

respectfully snipped by me.

That is what it looks like to me. Chocolate brown rug with hardwood underneath.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-17-hour-search-family-home/story?id=14779537#.T1Bwpnn7mOd

:22 seconds into the third video on the sidebar.

 

[highflyer]

Very interesting, I wish the Feds would try KCA lease: (j/k)

What is kca?

 

[highflyer]

What is kca?

bump.....

 

[askfornina]

bump.....

Casey Anthony.

 

[vlpate]

bump.....

Sorry, working with the Internet connection from hades. TY Nina

 

[vlpate]

respectfully snipped by me.

That is what it looks like to me. Chocolate brown rug with hardwood underneath.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-17-hour-search-family-home/story?id=14779537#.T1Bwpnn7mOd

:22 seconds into the third video on the sidebar.

Makes you wonder why in the world they would cover this floor up in the bedroom - maybe they didn't have hardwood there.

Which room is this:

 

[askfornina]

Judging by the hallway and the blueish gray color of the walls, that is the boys room. Same color as the boys room in the house tours. Looks like the man is standing in the spot I have circled on this floorplan:

 

[twall]

I agree with askfornina, it is the boys bedroom. As for why they would cover it up-all (3) of our bedrooms have hardwood floors and I have area rugs in my kids rooms because like most kids do, as shown in the picture of the boys, they like to play on the floor and I didn't want them playing on a cold hard floor so I put down a rug. It is also easier to keep clean, I was very thankful for the hard floors the other night when my 7yo dd woke up with the stomach bug, leaned over the edge of her bed and vomited, much easier to clean up and she missed the rug!
IMO Lisa's br has hardwood floors and an area rug as shown in the video and photos on Amanda's photobucket and no carpet was taken from her room by LE.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Because there was a baby missing and literally hundreds of officers were involved in the search for her?

I don't know. Why were homicide detectives there? Why were assault squad detectives there? I could go on and on. There were a lot of officers there those first days. They weren't undercover officers that much is for sure.

I do know that there was grousing about all the resources being put into finding a missing white baby when some African-American leaders complained about why similar resources weren't put to solve black on black crime in the inner city. That was a simmering issue that first week when an unprecedented amount of officers, FBI agents and KCFD folks were swarming the Northland for a single missing baby. Upwards of 500 officers were involved. Let me repeat. 500. There were jokes that if you wanted to commit a crime south of the river that that was the time to do it because no one was around to investigate.

Someone can start a thread on why was vice there that day and the speculation can begin. But the lead detectives remain crimes against children.

But here's my question...if the feds executed a search warrant on the home, why are Picerno and Tacopina going out of their way repeatedly to praise the FBI's handling of this case???

How does 500 compare to other high-profile missing person cases? I did some searching and found that was the same number of officers who searched for Jessica Lunsford.

 

[vlpate]

Judging by the hallway and the blueish gray color of the walls, that is the boys room. Same color as the boys room in the house tours. Looks like the man is standing in the spot I have circled on this floorplan:

Does this house not have bathrooms? I've thought maybe DB did give Lisa a bath, and maybe she was so drunk she left her in the tub and she drowned. It sure seems like I remember her saying that very early on but haven't been able to find it.

Is there a bathroom off the parent's bedroom?

 

[redheadedgal]

Does this house not have bathrooms? I've thought maybe DB did give Lisa a bath, and maybe she was so drunk she left her in the tub and she drowned. It sure seems like I remember her saying that very early on but haven't been able to find it.

according to the HM, one of the earliest version was there was a bath given... i couldn't find a msm link either... but look under "what did deborah do while jeremy was at work"

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/

 

[vlpate]

according to the HM, one of the earliest version was there was a bath given... i couldn't find a msm link either... but look under "what did deborah do while jeremy was at work"

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/

I know I heard it early on - and I also remember this from your link:

Did anybody hear anything?
No.
No, and Deborah had a baby monitor in the room with her.
No, but Deborah’s bedroom is all the way on the other side of the house and she sleeps with the fan on high.

First of all- Deborah's bedroom? Secondly - Other side of the house? The master is next to the baby's room.