Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[vlpate]

Thanks Askfornina!

I think that might be Lisa's room in the pic with the boys. . .possibly before she was born (?) Or at least it looks like the same set-up, wood floors with a thin, dark rug over it.

I'm fairly sure that's the boy's room. When Peter Alexander walks into Lisa's room her closet is to his right and her room is in the middle of the hallway. This room is to the right of either the computer room or the kitchen, IIRC. The intruder would have passed their room first if he/she came in through the computer room window.

 

[redheadedgal]

I'm convinced this is the large rug that was carried outside during the search warrant search. I think they took fibers or maybe cut a piece out of it for testing.

this rug looks pretty thin though and if it were rolled up it would appear much thinner imo than the one seen during the search... plus the other one appeared lighter in color to me...

wasn't it reported the rug from the search came from the garage/shed out back? does anyone have that link handy?

do you think this one used to be in her room, but after the night of the 3rd/4th it was put in the shed then put back in lisa's room later on?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

this rug looks pretty thin though and if it were rolled up it would appear much thinner imo than the one seen during the search... plus the other one appeared lighter in color to me...

wasn't it reported the rug from the search came from the garage/shed out back? does anyone have that link handy?

do you think this one used to be in her room, but after the night of the 3rd/4th it was put in the shed then put back in lisa's room later on?

From what I can find, it appears that Cyndy Short is the source saying that the rolled up carpet seen outside of the house came from the shed. I'm not sure why she would lie about that fact but everyone can put their own take on her truthfulness.

"The carpet that was paraded in and out that we were allowed to see actually came from the shed at the back of the house, and it was not inside the house at all. There is no carpeting that was removed from any portion of the house," said Short.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want

 

[redheadedgal]

The search was conducted Wednesday and police left with several items, including a large portion of carpet.


has anyone seen this reported before? first i've read of it...


http://news.yahoo.com/baby-lisa-irwin-surveillance-footage-mystery-man-115216718.html

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The search was conducted Wednesday and police left with several items, including a large portion of carpet.


has anyone seen this reported before? first i've read of it...


http://news.yahoo.com/baby-lisa-irwin-surveillance-footage-mystery-man-115216718.html

That's the first time I've seen that reported. I wonder if they were referring to the carpet that was brought out front and then returned to the back. That's the only "large" portion of carpet that we know was handled by LE.

 

[redheadedgal]

it's possible the reporter got it wrong (i wonder where yahoo got the report from?)... but it does say LE "left" with it... like it was put into a vehicle... but the large rolled up carpet/rug was seen being put back in the back which is totally opposite of "left with it"...

 

[hambirg]

I guess the short answer is we don't know. If KCPD left with it, it would be on the inventory. But the FBI could have left with it too. OR neither left with the rug. But they could have taken evidence off of it. . .swabs, fibers or samples from it. I was just reading about how they can actually lift blood stains from carpeting and leave the carpet, so the technology is there.

 

[hambirg]

From what I can find, it appears that Cyndy Short is the source saying that the rolled up carpet seen outside of the house came from the shed. I'm not sure why she would lie about that fact but everyone can put their own take on her truthfulness.




http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want

Sorry, but really?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sorry, but really?

I wrote that because I don't know why she would lie about something that LE could easily rebut without disclosing any information that could compromise their investigation.

Feel free to state why you believe Cyndy Short lied about the roll of carpet coming from the shed and not from inside the house.

 

[hambirg]

I wrote that because I don't know why she would lie about something that LE could easily rebut without disclosing any information that could compromise their investigation.

Feel free to state why you believe Cyndy Short lied about the roll of carpet coming from the shed and not from inside the house.

It's not that I know she lied, or that it was a bold faced lie, but surely somebody could understand why she would spin in the direction of defending her clients. That is what she was hired for.

The only reason I can think of, is the same reason JT does it, to create reasonable doubt in a potential jury pool.

We all know just because she says the roll came from the shed, doesn't mean it wasn't in the house first. .. it's a not an out and out lie. It's arguing your point. . . eh. .. it's an untruth. LOL!

That's the way I see it. She may be being totally honest, but a defense attorney is going to not lie by thinking we can't reason what they are saying sometimes. They can say. . ."My client did not shoot the victim!" And they wouldn't be lying if their client stabbed the victim to death. It's kinda like politics.
MOO

ETA-when Short goes into the bedroom and says LE didn't take the carpet and lifts a piece of it, what she hopes we are buying is that there must have been no evidence on the carpet. My answer to Ms.Short is that there could be hundreds of luminol photos, LE could have taken swabs, lifted blood stains. LE took fibers, and they could have even snipped of bit of the carpet. She's selling false logic. .. and some people might buy it, but not me. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's not that I know she lied, or that it was a bold faced lie, but surely somebody could understand why she would spin in the direction of defending her clients. That is what she was hired for.

The only reason I can think of, is the same reason JT does it, to create reasonable doubt in a potential jury pool.

We all know just because she says the roll came from the shed, doesn't mean it wasn't in the house first. .. it's a not an out and out lie. It's arguing your point. . . eh. .. it's an untruth. LOL!

That's the way I see it. She may be being totally honest, but a defense attorney is going to not lie by thinking we can't reason what they are saying sometimes. They can say. . ."My client did not shoot the victim!" And they wouldn't be lying if their client stabbed the victim to death. It's kinda like politics.
MOO

Thanks for your reply.
So Cyndy either told the truth or put some lawyer spin on it. If it was spin, she gambled that LE wouldn't call her on it.

I imagine that LE isn't worried about a potential jury at this point or spin like this by lawyers would be addressed by them.

 

[vlpate]

Thanks for your reply.
So Cyndy either told the truth or put some lawyer spin on it. If it was spin, she gambled that LE wouldn't call her on it.

I imagine that LE isn't worried about a potential jury at this point or spin like this by lawyers would be addressed by them.

I don't believe I have ever seen LE address DT spin in the media directly to the spinners (DT). They could have taken carpet from the shed that we didn't see. There are many ways to lie by omission and side-step the truth.

Picerno said on one of the morning shows that the area the blob came out of backed up to the Irwin home. Absolute nonsense, far from it. Spin or lie? I'm sure, if asked, he would simply say he was mixed up....or misinformed.

 

[vlpate]

The search was conducted Wednesday and police left with several items, including a large portion of carpet.


has anyone seen this reported before? first i've read of it...


http://news.yahoo.com/baby-lisa-irwin-surveillance-footage-mystery-man-115216718.html

Even more interesting, IMO, is this from your link:

"On Friday, cadavar dogs had a "positive hit" at the foot of their bed. But last night, the rug was still there, in tact.

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BEM: What rug?

 

[hambirg]

Thanks for your reply.
So Cyndy either told the truth or put some lawyer spin on it. If it was spin, she gambled that LE wouldn't call her on it.

I imagine that LE isn't worried about a potential jury at this point or spin like this by lawyers would be addressed by them.

Yes, she knows LE isn't going to call her on it, just like JT knows they aren't going to call him on the LDT nonsese. LE is only concerned about one thing. . .finding Lisa and presenting a case to the prosecutor so that he/she can nail the perp. OK make that two things. It's all going to come out in the wash if there is a trial.

Think about this! How does Cindy Short know about the carpet? She wasn't there. She's not on the LE team that was there. There was a no-fly zone and I believe that LE had the street barricaded off. She doesn't know any more about that search than you and I do. Maybe JI or DB told her the carpet was in the shed, but she doesn't really know that. For all we know, she was in her office, or at home, or in Africa when LE was going over that house with a fine tooth comb for 17 hrs. :what:

But she sure talks like she was right there working along side the FBI , doesn't she? She gives us a premise. . the carpet is still here. . .and then she wants us to follow her conclusion,. . so that means there was no evidence. But it doesn't work that way. There are a gazillion different conclusions based on that premise. She hopes we are stoooopid and just follow right along.

 

[vlpate]

this rug looks pretty thin though and if it were rolled up it would appear much thinner imo than the one seen during the search... plus the other one appeared lighter in color to me...

wasn't it reported the rug from the search came from the garage/shed out back? does anyone have that link handy?

do you think this one used to be in her room, but after the night of the 3rd/4th it was put in the shed then put back in lisa's room later on?

Ok, having a hair-brained Lucy moment here, and your statement above gave me the idea.

I've never seen a rug at the foot of the bed, or even beside the bed in the master bedroom. What IF Lisa did drown - DB grabs her from the tub, lays her on one of those flimsy bathroom rugs and carries her into the bedroom where she has more room to try and revive her, and she can't. Of course I have nothing after this point, but she would have left the rug, never dreaming a dog would hit on it. JMHBT (just my hair brained theory)

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, she knows LE isn't going to call her on it, just like JT knows they aren't goiong to call him on the LDT nonsese. LE is only concerned about one thing. . .finding Lisa and presenting a case to the prosecutor so that he/she can nail the perp. OK make that two things.

Think about this! How does Cindy Short know about the carpet? She wasn't there. She's not on the LE team that was there. There was a no-fly zone and I believe that LE had the street barricaded off. She doesn't know any more about that search than you and I do. Maybe JI or DB told her the carpet was in the shed, but she doesn't really know that. For all we know, she was in her office, or at home, or in Africa when LE was going over that house with a fine tooth comb for 17 hrs. :what:

Your right. Cyndy was probably lying/spinning/conniving with JI/DB about the carpet coming from the shed. I just wish that LE would not allow the jury pool to be contaminated and stop these lawyers from putting out unverified information.

LE could easily put out a press release saying that the roll of carpet seen on video came from inside the house and not the shed. Why they would allow this disinformation to be public and contaminate potential jurors is beyond me.

 

[hambirg]

Your right. Cyndy was probably lying/spinning/conniving with JI/DB about the carpet coming from the shed. I just wish that LE would not allow the jury pool to be contaminated and stop these lawyers from putting out unverified information.

LE could easily put out a press release saying that the roll of carpet seen on video came from inside the house and not the shed. Why they would allow this disinformation to be public and contaminate potential jurors is beyond me.

They care less about the jury pool then they do about showing their hand to the defense.

The jury pool is a wild card. . .they could get an excellent jury. But they know that whatever they let the defense know. . .the defense will be diligently working to rebut. JMHO

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Am I the only one that remembers the aerial coverage and the reporter saying they were carrying what appeared to be a roll of carpet from the shed that day, before they were asked to pull the choppers back so they could bring in the k9s? Maybe it's my senility kicking in though.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They care less about the jury pool then they do about showing their hand to the defense.

The jury pool is a wild card. . .they could get an excellent jury. But they know that whatever they let the defense know. . .the defense will be diligently working to rebut. JMHO

I'm talking about the spin that the lawyers put out to the media that a potential jury would take as fact. LE can stop the spin about were that roll of carpet came from without tipping their hand to any defense lawyer. Why don't they?

 

[hambirg]

Am I the only one that remembers the aerial coverage and the reporter saying they were carrying what appeared to be a roll of carpet from the shed that day, before they were asked to pull the choppers back so they could bring in the k9s? Maybe it's my senility kicking in though.

Link?

I certainly don't remember that. Not saying you are not right. But it really means very little. . the carpet still could have came from inside the house.. . .from the house. . .to the shed. . .to the driveway. Unless LE or the FBI that was investigating that day, leak that it was never inside the house, than it could have still come from inside the house.