Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[vlpate]

On the 19th the police were seen with a carpet - and it looks very dark to me. I don't think it is the rug from that room because it looks too big - but then I don't do measurements well and the rug in her room covered a pretty large area. Anyone?

Cindy short calls it a "rolled up rug".
http://www.christianpost.com/news/m...rneys-a-preview-of-heated-legal-battle-59548/
CS: ""It was interesting to watch the activity outside of this house when they were conducting the search. There were so many crime scene people that were seen outside, and seen coming in and out of this house…carrying a rolled up rug," Short said. "It really gave the impression that there was a lot going to be removed from this house."
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I have a tiny screen, can anyone see the color of the rug? Looks dark brown to me.

Here's a better look at the rolled up carpet from crankycrankerson's site:

This carpet looks much too stiff to have been sitting around in a shed for any length of time. We used to save carpets when charging a resident and after a while, they start to become very pliable and limp.

 

[norest4thewicked]

On the 19th the police were seen with a carpet - and it looks very dark to me. I don't think it is the rug from that room because it looks too big - but then I don't do measurements well and the rug in her room covered a pretty large area. Anyone?

Cindy short calls it a "rolled up rug".
http://www.christianpost.com/news/m...rneys-a-preview-of-heated-legal-battle-59548/
CS: ""It was interesting to watch the activity outside of this house when they were conducting the search. There were so many crime scene people that were seen outside, and seen coming in and out of this house…carrying a rolled up rug," Short said. "It really gave the impression that there was a lot going to be removed from this house."
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I have a tiny screen, can anyone see the color of the rug? Looks dark brown to me.

Here's a better look at the rolled up carpet from crankycrankerson's site:

This carpet looks much too stiff to have been sitting around in a shed for any length of time. We used to save carpets when charging a resident and after a while, they start to become very pliable and limp.

It looks dark brown to me.

 

[redheadedgal]

It looks dark brown to me.

i think it's the same beige as in "deborah's" bedroom

http://james-boylan.com/wp-content/...e/0e7eb_abc_baby_lisa_carpet_nt_111020_wg.jpg

 

[norest4thewicked]

i think it's the same beige as in "deborah's" bedroom

http://james-boylan.com/wp-content/...e/0e7eb_abc_baby_lisa_carpet_nt_111020_wg.jpg

Are you looking at the inside where it is rolled up or the outside? It looks beige on the outside, but dark brown to me on the inside.

 

[redheadedgal]

um, inside

it does not look like dirt or chocolate to me...

 

[norest4thewicked]

um, inside

it does not look like dirt or chocolate to me...

I think you are right. I was just looking at the smaller photo, and I enlarged it like 10 x and it does look like a beige carpet...

 

[Sparklin]

I know I heard it early on - and I also remember this from your link:

Did anybody hear anything?
No.
No, and Deborah had a baby monitor in the room with her.
No, but Deborah’s bedroom is all the way on the other side of the house and she sleeps with the fan on high.

First of all- Deborah's bedroom? Secondly - Other side of the house? The master is next to the baby's room.

I think they meant with the window in the computer room.

 

[vlpate]

I think they meant with the window in the computer room.

Then what significance would there be to the baby monitor?

 

[SmoothOperator]

There were so many crime scene people that were seen outside, and seen coming in and out of this house…carrying a rolled up rug," Short said. "It really gave the impression that there was a lot going to be removed from this house."
According to an affidavit regarding the search, a cadaver dog searching for evidence "indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human" next to her mother's bed. Questions have arisen about the accuracy of the scent dogs.

Short pointed out in her walk-through of the house that the carpeting in Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's room was intact.

"The number one thing in walking through this room and having an opportunity to look at it that stood out to me, is that the carpet has not been collected. There are no swatches of the carpet taken out," Short said. "There's no evidence of where in the world this dog was supposed to have alerted."

Video footage had previously showed investigators carrying a rolled up carpet out of the home, but Short said the carpet had been sitting in the garage and while searchers did look at it, they did not ultimately take it with them from the house.

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/baby-lisa

The carpet that was in question..seen on video during sw..the carpet that in the end just like every other fiber of carpet in/around the Irwin home WAS NOT COLLECTED BY LE..

 

[hambirg]

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/baby-lisa

The carpet that was in question..seen on video during sw..the carpet that in the end just like every other fiber of carpet in/around the Irwin home WAS NOT COLLECTED BY LE..

I disagree. They may not have taken the carpet, but they most definitely took fibers. Why did they vacuum it if not? And what did they do with what was collected in the vacuum bag? Were they just being nice and doing a little housekeeping? I doubt it. Interestingly enough that article does say that the FBI was searching that day.

The family moved out of the house after the disappearance, and the home became the site of multiple police and FBI searches that included cadaver dogs and agents in hazmat suits.
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/baby-lisa

 

[twall]

Does this house not have bathrooms? I've thought maybe DB did give Lisa a bath, and maybe she was so drunk she left her in the tub and she drowned. It sure seems like I remember her saying that very early on but haven't been able to find it.

Is there a bathroom off the parent's bedroom?

Floor plan thread, final diagrams towards end of thread.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152223"]FLOOR-PLAN of Baby Lisa Irwin's home likelihood of this being stranger abduction - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[norest4thewicked]

I disagree. They may not have taken the carpet, but they most definitely took fibers. Why did they vacuum it if not? And what did they do with what was collected in the vacuum bag? Were they just being nice and doing a little housekeeping? I doubt it. Interestingly enough that article does say that the FBI was searching that day.

The family moved out of the house after the disappearance, and the home became the site of multiple police and FBI searches that included cadaver dogs and agents in hazmat suits.
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/baby-lisa

Oh yes, you can definitely believe that LE took fibers. No doubt about that.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Just curious....

Why would Short, Tacopina and Picerno make such a big issue about no carpet being removed if it was? Why would they specifically criticize this and risk police firing back either officially on the record or off the record that carpet was removed?

Police have scoffed at the "poopy" diaper theory, why would they not scoff at the no carpet removed?

Why would they take carpet and not the crib? (not taking the crib has drawn criticism of police)

Regarding search warrants in Missouri, the search warrant returns are public record unless a judge seals them. In this case, police sought to have the return sealed and the request was denied.

However, if a search warrant IS sealed the media doesn't know what is in the sealed document but they know the document was sealed. I could give you examples if you really, really want them.

I don't know about federal search warrants but the FBI has been assisting. The lead investigative agency is KCPD. And Clay County prosecutor is the one who will decide if and when to file charges. I have never heard anyone suggest that this would be a case for a U.S. Attorney's Office. I'm not an attorney but interjecting an FBI search warrant at the house (as opposed to out of state or for something else) could create jurisdictional issues and chain of custody issues if/when charges are filed in connection with Lisa's disappearance.

Any evidence removed would have to be kept in a chain of custody; if not the risk of evidence thrown out will have an impact at trial. Who is the big dog here? KCMOPD. They take the lead and they are the agency to remove evidence; some of the evidence may be sent to FBI labs or Quantico but it all has to go through the KCMOPD entity.

 

[hambirg]

Any evidence removed would have to be kept in a chain of custody; if not the risk of evidence thrown out will have an impact at trial. Who is the big dog here? KCMOPD. They take the lead and they are the agency to remove evidence; some of the evidence may be sent to FBI labs or Quantico but it all has to go through the KCMOPD entity.

We don't know that. Chain of custody is passed from Federal to State and vice versus in gun/firearms cases quite often. The prosecutor will have to decide at some point where the accused will be tried. Federal charges usually carry a stiffer penalty. But sometimes the prosecutor will use that in a plea agreement. . .ie. . agree to charge on the state level if the defendant agrees to plead guilty. The agencies work together and the evidence would pass from one chain of command to the other at the appropriate time, when jurisdiction is determined.

There could be evidence kept within the federal chain of command, especially anything involving those phones. There is no hard and fast rule that that evidence can't be properly passed to state officials if need be. Like I said, it happens all the time in drug and firearms cases.

 

[askfornina]

Screenshot from second video on sidebar:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...ers-submit-dna/story?id=14817602#.T1iqGXn7mOd

 

[hambirg]

Thanks Askfornina!

I think that might be Lisa's room in the pic with the boys. . .possibly before she was born (?) Or at least it looks like the same set-up, wood floors with a thin, dark rug over it.

 

[DeAnn]

some of the evidence may be sent to FBI labs or Quantico but it all has to go through the KCMOPD entity.

Some of the evidence was sent to Quantico for analysis and review.

I would also guess (Criminal Minds is one of my favorite shows) that their profilers, analysts etc have analyzed the 911 call, interviews etc etc etc.

 

[vlpate]

Screenshot from second video on sidebar:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...ers-submit-dna/story?id=14817602#.T1iqGXn7mOd

All of the stuff on the side of the bed, the plastic tubs and the little car seat or whatever it is, are the items that were previously in the crib.

I'm convinced this is the large rug that was carried outside during the search warrant search. I think they took fibers or maybe cut a piece out of it for testing.

We don't know where else, if anywhere else, the dogs hit.

 

[vlpate]

Just curious....

Why would Short, Tacopina and Picerno make such a big issue about no carpet being removed if it was? Why would they specifically criticize this and risk police firing back either officially on the record or off the record that carpet was removed?

Respectfully snipped

I know I answered a lot of this before, but go back and watch the video of Short in the house. She points out ONLY the carpet in the master - she says nothing about the baby's room. She references LE taking out a "rug". She corrected herself later and said carpet. The "rug" reference was during an interview outside of the house.

 

[vlpate]

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/baby-lisa

The carpet that was in question..seen on video during sw..the carpet that in the end just like every other fiber of carpet in/around the Irwin home WAS NOT COLLECTED BY LE..

BEM: We can't possibly know that. There's not a list of fibers taken, and you can be sure fibers were taken. All that has to be listed on the return are items that may be returned to the owner - it's like a receipt. Carpet fibers would not be listed anymore than hair and fibers from other sources.