Was the carpet removed from Lisa's room?

[hambirg]

If FBI conducted a search why haven't we heard about it since some seem convinced if DB left the house to search we would hear about it?

We have.

Oct.19th the day of the search. . .

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton told ABC's Kansas City affiliate KMBC that no specific tip or lead brought them back to the Irwin home, but detectives are searching for anything to move the investigation forward.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...warrant-family/story?id=14768710#.T052O4cXA6I

 

[vlpate]

It looks photoshopped out to me. They did the same thing with some of the surveillance pictures of Julia Biryukova in the Sky Metalwala case.

The carpet is not listed in the inventory on the affidavit. I can only think of two possibilities.

There was no evidence on the carpet. Since we know they took a comforter, a blanket and and outfit, it's not hard to come up with a scenario for that where the house would still be a crime scene. An example. . .the comforter is on the floor near the bed, they find the blanket and outfit rolled up and stuffed in a heating duct. We don't know what the dogs hit on and we don't know where any of the items were found.

The second scenario I'm not sure, so just theorizing and MOO. Could there have been a second SW? One that was sealed and granted on the testimony of an informant? We know this search was after Jersey was in custody. If there is any chance that he was a witness to anything that happened that night, it could be a possibility. Idk if I believe this, but it's not unheard of for a second SW to be granted. If it was based on informant information that they wanted to keep secret. . .it's a maybe.

What looks photo shopped?

I'm not understanding about the Sky case - they took carpet and it wasn't on the search warrant?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

We have.

Oct.19th the day of the search. . .

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton told ABC's Kansas City affiliate KMBC that no specific tip or lead brought them back to the Irwin home, but detectives are searching for anything to move the investigation forward.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...warrant-family/story?id=14768710#.T052O4cXA6I

Some here were eluding to a second search warrant being given, the 17 hour search and the evidence receipt was the last one MSM covered. Had there been another search we would have heard about it, and media trucks would have been blasting it on the airwaves as they did the one we do know about, was my point. I should have said "another search warrant" sorry, my bad. :blushing:

 

[In da Middle]

No, the items in the crib were not there after the search warrant search. These items were discussed after those first pictures of Lisa's room were released before the search warrant.

Clearly, if you watch the videos after the search, those items are gone from the bed and the bags are redone.

The bags are redone and things are moved because they are between two different sets of searches. The first set was after LE had possession of the house (consented) and the second set is after the search warrant. LE would be busy moving stuff around during each and every search. The bags put up for the initial search would be re-done for the search warrant search to be thorough. IF they wouldn't have moved things and re did the window, that would have just been laziness and I sure did not see any sign of laziness in spending 17 hours in a small house. I am sure that virtually every single item in that house was not in it's original position after the initial (consented) searches.

 

[vlpate]

But the filings would still be public and I am sure reporters have went to district (Clay County) court and federal court (downtown KC) to find out. They have not found any to our knowledge.



http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/tutorials/police-records/search-warrants/

Another site for search and seizure requirements

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_41

You know as well as I do they can be sealed. They could have taken the carpet by consent.

Any idea what they did with the roll of carpet we all saw then take out? I honestly don't know, I just saw them carrying it.

 

[hambirg]

Didn't we discuss the items left in the crib AFTER the police search . . . along with the dark coverings over the windows?

IIRC in other threads that we determined:

LE could have placed the items in the crib while searching Lisa's room & LE could have left the dark covering on the windows after using Luminol in Lisa's room. We determined that LE does not clean up after searches & there are companies out there that specialize in "crime scene clean up", so . . .

If carpet was taken during the search, it would have been documented by LE. Otherwise, that is a huge piece of evidence to throw out of trial.

In the pictures for Dan Abrams AFTER the search warrant was executed, the baby bath is NOT in the crib. The mattress is clearly askew and the plastic bins are on the floor under the window near the dresser. . .no swing. The video with Cindy Short the bins have been moved to the crib with the baby bath set on top. The dresser has been moved and the swing was brought out of the closet and placed where the plastic bins had been.

The room was staged before part of Short's walk through. So my question is why is it important to move the baby bath to the crib and put it on the bins, as if to prop it up enough for it to be clearly seen and hard to miss.

MOO

 

[In da Middle]

In the pictures for Dan Abrams AFTER the search warrant was executed, the baby bath is NOT in the crib. The mattress is clearly askew and the plastic bins are on the floor under the window near the dresser. . .no swing. The video with Cindy Short the bins have been moved to the crib with the baby bath set on top. The dresser has been moved and the swing was brought out of the closet and placed where the plastic bins had been.

The room was staged before part of Short's walk through. So my question is why is it important to move the baby bath to the crib and put it on the bins, as if to prop it up enough for it to be clearly seen and hard to miss.

MOO

And how are we to know who moved the items? It could have been any one of the media also - like sound and camera crews for more clearance or just plain nosiness. We don't know who moved anything around or when.

 

[In da Middle]

You know as well as I do they can be sealed. They could have taken the carpet by consent.

Any idea what they did with the roll of carpet we all saw then take out? I honestly don't know, I just saw them carrying it.

The carpet was shown on live tv as being taken back to the back yard. There is a pic on the search warrant thread plainly showing them walking towards the back with it in their arms - unless they like hauling carpet walking backwards, that is.
And even if other search warrants were granted and were sealed, the filings themselves are public. No way around that that I can find.

 

[vlpate]

The bags are redone and things are moved because they are between two different sets of searches. The first set was after LE had possession of the house (consented) and the second set is after the search warrant. LE would be busy moving stuff around during each and every search. The bags put up for the initial search would be re-done for the search warrant search to be thorough. IF they wouldn't have moved things and re did the window, that would have just been laziness and I sure did not see any sign of laziness in spending 17 hours in a small house. I am sure that virtually every single item in that house was not in it's original position after the initial (consented) searches.

Yeah, it's not about why they moved the bags. I know why the bags are there -- got it. My point was to someone else about the length of the bags in relation to the bed.

As for moving stuff around - LE did not have possession of the house, nor did they do another search while Short and the reporter did their "exclusive" walk through videos - and things were moved all over the place in those.

The dark still of the room was a picture, and hard to tell when it was taken, but the plastic tub sitting there is only in that picture - and I wonder if it wasn't covering an area where the carpet may have been cut out.

Cindy Short was fired after her video, and it was rumored (can't prove it), that the video was the reason. Right after her video, DB and JI granted a tour to a reporter and things looked different, especially in the kitchen and part of the bedroom. DB's side of the bed was left alone, but I'm sure that was to show the possibility the dog picked up on a poopy diaper because she changed Lisa there.

I know LE moved things around - common sense. Who moved things around and why AFTER the on the 19th?

 

[vlpate]

The carpet was shown on live tv as being taken back to the back yard. There is a pic on the search warrant thread plainly showing them walking towards the back with it in their arms - unless they like hauling carpet walking backwards, that is.
And even if other search warrants were granted and were sealed, the filings themselves are public. No way around that that I can find.

Exactly, why would they just walk around with a carpet?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Yeah, it's not about why they moved the bags. I know why the bags are there -- got it. My point was to someone else about the length of the bags in relation to the bed.

As for moving stuff around - LE did not have possession of the house, nor did they do another search while Short and the reporter did their "exclusive" walk through videos - and things were moved all over the place in those.

The dark still of the room was a picture, and hard to tell when it was taken, but the plastic tub sitting there is only in that picture - and I wonder if it wasn't covering an area where the carpet may have been cut out.

Cindy Short was fired after her video, and it was rumored (can't prove it), that the video was the reason. Right after her video, DB and JI granted a tour to a reporter and things looked different, especially in the kitchen and part of the bedroom. DB's side of the bed was left alone, but I'm sure that was to show the possibility the dog picked up on a poopy diaper because she changed Lisa there.

I know LE moved things around - common sense. Who moved things around and why AFTER the on the 19th?

JMHO but I would imagine their DT was also in the home doing their own parallel investigation once the home was released back to the family.

 

[vlpate]

And how are we to know who moved the items? It could have been any one of the media also - like sound and camera crews for more clearance or just plain nosiness. We don't know who moved anything around or when.

All the floors in the house are on the Cindy Short video except the baby's room. Find one shot of the floor in the baby's room in the Short walk through and I will concede to being wrong.

Do you think they moved the baseball bat,, the fan, the gun, and replaced a picture on Jeremy's bedside table with something totally different for sound? Did moving the pillows all around on the master bed help with sound?

 

[vlpate]

JMHO but I would imagine their DT was also in the home doing their own parallel investigation once the home was released back to the family.

Yes, Wild Bill went through the house and didn't allow taping. Not sure what your point is? He wouldn't have come running out of the house screaming the carpet is missing.

The DT mentions nothing about what was taken from Lisa's room. CS stands by the crib, the shot is waist high, and she talks about what a sham the search was. That in itself makes no sense to me - what were we supposed to be seeing with her to tell us it was a sham?

 

[In da Middle]

If you watch the link, you see it is not the wall. In the other pictures the wall is a mutstard looking color and there is crown moulding or a very wide, white trim - the carpet is dark. Look at the video that the still was taken from and you will see the bottom of the black bags are much lower to the floor than in the original pictures.

Forget the arrow, look at the video.

Of course some people aren't going to see it because they don't see anything that might lead to Lisa dying in her room.

On the picture in the post above with the arrow, you can see the floor molding between his legs much further down. That is clearly the wall the arrow itself is pointing to.

 

[In da Middle]

Exactly, why would they just walk around with a carpet?

They didn't just walk around with it. They brought it to the drive and we could see them doing something to it, like vacuuming it maybe, then they rolled it back up and took it to the back. Maybe Nina can rescue this with a media link if it is available. I can't find it as it might have just been live and not broadcast during the regular newstime.

 

[hambirg]

What looks photo shopped?

I'm not understanding about the Sky case - they took carpet and it wasn't on the search warrant?

No, sorry. In Sky's case they blurred out and darkened the actual floor in some of the surveillance tapes of his mother. I'm not sure why they would do it, other than so people may not be able to figure out where it was taken.

I think the carpet looks photo shopped in this picture, like it is just darkened out so that we can't see what color the carpet is, if the carpet is still there, etc.

The only thing it makes me think is that the carpet must be relevant.

 

[vlpate]

The carpet was shown on live tv as being taken back to the back yard. There is a pic on the search warrant thread plainly showing them walking towards the back with it in their arms - unless they like hauling carpet walking backwards, that is.
And even if other search warrants were granted and were sealed, the filings themselves are public. No way around that that I can find.

Lisa Irwin Search Warrant Reveals Cadaver Dog 'Hit'

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29552254/detail.html#ixzz1nnmAfqj7

"On Wednesday, investigators in white suits walked in and out of the Irwin home all day, carrying bags of evidence and what appeared to be X-ray equipment. They were also seen carrying carpets out of the home."

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Is everything they carried out on the search warrant inventory?

 

[hambirg]

They didn't just walk around with it. They brought it to the drive and we could see them doing something to it, like vacuuming it maybe, then they rolled it back up and took it to the back. Maybe Nina can rescue this with a media link if it is available. I can't find it as it might have just been live and not broadcast during the regular newstime.

Interesting.

 

[iamnotagolem]

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I watched the vid, it looks there is something stacked in front of the wall by the crib in the video, and what you are seeing is blurred stuff in the top of a box or a dresser drawer or something.

 

[vlpate]

On the picture in the post above with the arrow, you can see the floor molding between his legs much further down. That is clearly the wall the arrow itself is pointing to.

Did you watch the video where he is walking? I don't clearly see the trim between his legs further down at all.