Watching Motions Hearing Live on Friday 10-10-08

[sandcastles4me]

Thanks SC4mee
That sucks!!!!

Well if he does okay her freedom atleast it won't be until Monday and possibly by Tuesday she could be charged with Murder!

 

[JayBee1940]

Motion Hearing - Part 2:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17687549/index.html

 

[karenc333]

My problem with your statement is that JB never said the purpose was for KC to help search for Caylee. The field trips are to assist with her defense-period.
To me, that speaks volumes.

According to the motion:

Motion to allow defendent to travel to places of interest​

#4- The Defense believes that the Defendants ability to visit key points of interest in this case will allow greater efforts in helping to assist with the search of the missing child, Caylee Anthony.

If they find Caylee alive, I guess that would help with her defense.

 

[sandcastles4me]

Isn't Monday a federal holiday Columbus day

That is very true. My kids still have school, but I believe the government offices have it off.

 

[DianeB]

Is there any particular reason that Baez hasn't been conducting depositions all along?

I noticed the judge told him several times to go out and depose people in order to get the information he was seeking.

This girl is scheduled for trial in a month. Baez has been her attorney since July. Why hasn't he been prepping his case?

 

[MiraclesHappen]

We, well, I disklike JB so much because it is evident to me, with a legal assistant degree, that he doesn't know what the jack he's doing! He's all bluster. Even a lowly la knows it's a good idea to cite the law when you need it to argue a motion. Even a lowly la knows a good attorney doesn't stroll (he must have picked that up from KC) up to the judge with one hand in your pocket and a big stupid grin on your face.

Watching him can't even be compared to watching a train wreck..watching a train wreck should induce at least a little sympathy for the sight before your eyes. Watching JB is torure...cringe-worthy torture! Thank God the prosecution side of the bar was so prepared, professsional and on task. They were balm to my ears and eyes.

I don't know when to start the pool that bets when KC is convicted of anything that she'll start screaming "ineffective counsel"! JB couldn't be that smart, could he???

The other side of the coin, is that if we are worried about future claims of ineffective assistance...then it is better to have JB file too many, too broad, motions as opposed to too few and too narrow.

That said, for any trial attorney to be on national exposure during the arguing of motions is a helluva lot of pressure on top of the pressure of a potential pending death penalty case.

I was somewhat impressed that his hands were not shaking. It gets lonely out there when one or two lawyers take on big departments filled with seasoned experts and professionals.

I have posted enough so that we all know I am not jumping up and down and defending the A family or JB for any of their antics.

But there comes a point when our legal analysis gets interwoven with our emotions over Caylee and sometimes we can be harsher than we mean to be.

I have struggled to keep this in check myself.

Baez is pushing a cart full of boulders up a very steep hill. He is well aware of that.

jmho :smoochiesmilie:

 

[SailorMoon]

Are you an attorney? Do you understand all the intracacies of the law and this case in particular?

I'm just wondering, not being argumentative.

It seems to me, reading the many posts here that JB is being judged for being a defense attorney and not really on his abilities.

I think it really doesn't matter what he does or says, he is going to be called out for it and I'm not sure that is fair. We are all entitled to a defense. JB is correct in that KC has been tried for murder before the public before she has even been charged. The public appears to have access to information, through the Sunshine Act, before the defense is made aware of it. Makes it difficult to prepare your case when you can not even get the charges clarified.

I am in no way defending KC. I think she is guilty plus some. But I think the attacks on JB are out of line to a large extent.

Just my opinion,

Salem

All I will divulge in a backwards sort of way is that I have worked in the legal field for many moons and yes, I do know a little about the law.

I've said this over and over, HE'S INCOMPETENT FOR THIS LEVEL OF A CASE. He may okay to draw up a will, estate planning, probate, but would never cut in the big city Dallas trial world that I live in.

Yes, she's entitled to a defense. Was Caylee??

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED:"...I found it somewhat amusing that tradition was broken regarding where the audience sits.
Usually it plays out like a "friends of the bride/friends of the groom" :cake: arrangement, with LE behind the prosecution...on their side.

OCSO was seated behind Baez's table, though. They were staring with arms folded. :cop::detective::nono:

Traditionally, they would sit behind the prosecution table.

I believe this was a calculated move to intimidate Atty Baez "

jmho

THANKS for pointing that out to me - I hadn't noticed it whatsoever and I agree with you on its calculated intent/effect.

 

[drumstick]

I dont think anyone is judging him because he's a defense attorney. He's being judged because he stammers, doesn't make any sense and has totally misguided this family.

This is what worries me the most about this case.

How can you fairly represent someone who lies with every breath?

He's been given nothing but lies and crazy stories from his client and her family.

I want her to have the best representation and for her attorney to have all the facts.
Not lies.

Give him everything. Help him if you have to. Do it for Caylee.

That way when the guilty verdicts goes down there is no appeal.

Nail her good ... do it right the first time.

As Mark Lunsford said about John Couey's attorney ...

And I agree.

When she is found guilty there should be NO doubt.

~

 

[jennyb]

I know it's a longshot, but what's to prevent KC from sneaking out of JB's office (hiding in car, whatever) and tampering with evidence anyway? She's not on GPS and she and JB are devious enough to do it. Just in my opinion. She should have a tracking device. LE doesn't have tabs on her movements once she enters JB's office. They're giving her too much leeway as it is.

I think it would be great if Strickland, when he makes his decision Monday, agrees with JB that KC is vulnerable to the public (threats) and says because of this not only is he going to deny her motion to *search* but he is containing her visits to attorney to uh, maybe one day a week. Ha ha!

 

[Cherry Baby]

It seems to me, reading the many posts here that JB is being judged for being a defense attorney and not really on his abilities

I don't mean to be contrary, but Jose Baez and abilities are not two words I'd use in the same sentence, unless you put 'lack of' in front of the word abilities.

I swear he must have saved up Bazooka gum wrappers for his law degree.

 

[OcalaMom]

JB has a computer the same as we do. We pour over the documents day and night. He could do the same. What charges were not clarified?
The man was ill prepared. He knew it. The judge knew it. TruTV knew it. The State Atty's knew it. JB is the one that requested these motions to be heard, he should have brought case law with him to back up his request. He didn't do it. The judge IMHO was generous with him.

I agree that the judge was generous, and that the upcoming GJ gave him a chance to appear that way. The state has at least 10 days to comply with what JB was granted today--and that isn't counting what they've already given him voluntarily.

JB's inability or unwillingness to do his own legwork and discovery leads me to believe that he is not going to be able to effectively push for a speedy trial, because he'll never be ready. I guess that, in a way, he helped ease my concerns about that with his performance today.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

THANKS for pointing that out to me - I hadn't noticed it whatsoever and I agree with you on its calculated intent/effect.

:blowkiss: You're welcome. And we got to use the big cake smilie, too!

 

[PattyCake]

All I will divulge in a backwards sort of way is that I have worked in the legal field for many moons and yes, I do know a little about the law.

I've said this over and over, HE'S INCOMPETENT FOR THIS LEVEL OF A CASE. He may okay to draw up a will, estate planning, probate, but would never cut in the big city Dallas trial world that I live in.

Yes, she's entitled to a defense. Was Caylee??

He should be fired before the day is out but won't be unless CA speaks up. What a shameful showing of a defense lawyer. How is this guy going to handle a full fledged trial? I can't even see him asking for a speedy trial at the moment, he can't get 2 sentences out of his mouth. Whatever, just adding to the downfall of KC and that's a good thing.

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED:"... In regards to requesting Casey have the ability to search for her daughter: I think there was a two-fold purpose for this motion. One- the public has been asking "Why isn't Casey helping in the search for Caylee?" I think that this motion makes it clear to the public that she can not physically go and search for her daughter at this time. Just making the motion in itself speaks volumes. Two-if the motion is granted, then it will allow Casey (In Baez's eyes) to assist with the search of her daughter with the information that she and Baez have (the info that she has withheld from the police). If the motion is denied- she can't be judged for not searching because of the physical restraints of her bond agreement. JMO

True, but again, the point a lot of WSers have been making here, with good reason, IMHO, is that it's too little too late. She didn't search initially, led them in circles, and, most importantly, why, if she wants to go do this, did JB wait until NOW to file this request? Puts more egg on his face, if you ask me.

 

[technicalconfusion]

it's actually Casey's fault that the fed's are involved. She claimed the child was kidnapped by the nanny and taken out of state, maybe to NY, NJ or PR. Kidnapping across state lines gets the fed's involved. And once involved they do not get uninvolved.

Oh, my. I just get the *biggest* kick out of this...:floorlaugh:

 

[kathyn2]

What happened with the motion to seal the records that was brought up first? Did the judge allow that?

 

[one_hooah_wife]

Is there any particular reason that Baez hasn't been conducting depositions all along?

I noticed the judge told him several times to go out and depose people in order to get the information he was seeking.

This girl is scheduled for trial in a month. Baez has been her attorney since July. Why hasn't he been prepping his case?

This is the way I see it. JB has a small boutique firm ... I suspect this case is being worked as largely pro bono ... depos are very very expensive!!! If he can get the State to provide him this information i.e., do his work for him ... then he can save a lot of time and money!!

BTW, I would not be surprised if the State officially requests information about the financial arrangements agreed upon between KC and Baez, as this information is discoverable and might be relevant if Baez is being paid by someone other than the A's/KC.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

What happened with the motion to seal the records that was brought up first? Did the judge allow that?

That was one of the motions he is taking under advisement and will rule on at a later time.

 

[tasylshari]

Part 1 of hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/17687549/index.html

Thanks, momgot!!!!!! MUCH APPRECIATED!! Now for SURE I can't do laundry or get the mail or go for groceries or water the plants or take something out to thaw so that I would have to cook a meal for my family tonight....THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!:blowkiss: