Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

  • #981
That's what I was thinking MsSherlock. Who's paying the taxes on the hangar? That alone is a huge chuck of money. The well has run dry and DP is handing the torch over to Mr. Pillay. That's JMO though.

That confirmation, however, hinges on Deepak Paradkar, who has been acting on behalf of Millard. As of recently, he has not been officially retained by his client, holding up the trial date process at recent court appearances.

Paradkar could not be reached for comment.

Last September, Paradkar told me money is not an issue for Millard and he expected to be on the record by the beginning of November.

Paradkar is representing Millard along with co-counsel Ravin Pillay.


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5262706-co-accused-in-bosma-murder-case-faces-new-charge/


Oh lookie here! Seems Mr. Pillay also works for Legal Aid...hmm. Legal Services, Nsk

http://www.manta.com/ic/mtqpyb8/ca/...x75j2aA.3&utm_referrer=https://www.google.ca/

Looking for information on MS's defence lawyer Tom Dungey, it doesn't appear he has an official advertisement site for his practice. At least that I could find. I did come across this case where in 2011, coincidentally he defended another guy accused of deliberately setting his supposed friend on fire. I am assuming T Dungey works for legal aid. MOO.

A jury has convicted a man of pouring gasoline over his friend and setting him on fire.
Michael Hall, 35, was found guilty of second-degree murder Sunday by a jury of five women and seven men after five days of deliberations.
“I’m shocked,” said defence lawyer Tom Dungey, after the verdict. “I thought it was a manslaughter.”


http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2011/11/20/man_guilty_of_setting_friend_alight.html
 
  • #982
  • #983
It's pretty hard to tell what someone's tone sounds like from the written word. But no, it doesn't necessarily sound sincere to me, especially with the use of the word "precious". This was a response to a reporter who showed up unannounced and unexpected and who did not get the interview that she was apparently hoping for - an interview where basically all she got from him was an "I want to talk to you...but I just can't" before he ended the visit. One would think, if the visit was so "precious", that he might have hung around a bit longer in the hopes of having a conversation about things that he could talk about.


Why would you think absolutely everyone he knew would have known "what he was up to"? The press didn't spend a lot of time looking for people who didn't have something bad to say about him. There were a few articles that included a brief blurb from people who did say something good, or expressed any surprise that he would have been charged for something like this, but those have mostly been ignored.


My take on the 'precious' comment was that he feels his two? allowed visits each week are precious and that maybe the unannounced reporter had taken one of those visits that would have been for his mother. When visits are used up it means that someone else may not be able to visit. The reporter may well have used up a precious visit. JMO
 
  • #984
But a 'cash deal' in real estate doesn't mean he had access to cash and physically walked in a laid down gobs of money. A cash deal basically means that the vendor received the full amount agreed upon (i.e. pre-approved financing for the full amount, no vendor take-back, etc). DM could have been cash-strapped but was good on paper, arranging a mortgage using both the condo and other unencumbered property as security for a mortgage.

"Upfront, in full and in cash" doesn't mean he paid cash for it without a mortgage?

Millard, 27, paid upfront, in-full and in cash for the 37th floor unit built by Distillery SE Development Corp. According to documents obtained by Maclean’s, Millard’s lawyer in that transaction, Mitch Korman, signed for the deal on May 7.

http://www.macleans.ca/general/suspect-in-test-drive-death-bought-condo-the-day-after-tim-bosmas-disappearance/

Would MSM word it this way just for how it would influence the public then?
 
  • #985
But a 'cash deal' in real estate doesn't mean he had access to cash and physically walked in a laid down gobs of money. A cash deal basically means that the vendor received the full amount agreed upon (i.e. pre-approved financing for the full amount, no vendor take-back, etc). DM could have been cash-strapped but was good on paper, arranging a mortgage using both the condo and other unencumbered property as security for a mortgage.

Or if it was cash, it could have been money made through the proceeds of crime; drugs, chopped vehicles. Paying off the condo IMO was a ruse (initially), to lead LE and the public into believing he had a lot money, therefore that ultimate question people have been asking from the day of DM's arrest, why would he steal a vehicle when he could afford to buy one? MOO.
 
  • #986
Or if it was cash, it could have been money made through the proceeds of crime; drugs, chopped vehicles. Paying off the condo IMO was a ruse (initially), to lead LE and the public into believing he had a lot money, therefore that ultimate question people have been asking from the day of DM's arrest, why would he steal a vehicle when he could afford to buy one? MOO.

Am I missing something? Are we saying it must have been his intention for a couple of months - to steal a vehicle by murdering its owner? That's how long it takes, at least, to scout for a suitable investment, negotiate and close the deal. Some ruse, if you ask me. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he paid fistfuls of dollars or the proceeds of a mortgage to effect his purchase. For access to cash, if he qualified for a mortgage (and why wouldn't he) he'd certainly have qualified for a car loan. IMO. MOO.
 
  • #987
Am I missing something? Are we saying it must have been his intention for a couple of months - to steal a vehicle by murdering its owner? That's how long it takes, at least, to scout for a suitable investment, negotiate and close the deal. Some ruse, if you ask me. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he paid fistfuls of dollars or the proceeds of a mortgage to effect his purchase. For access to cash, if he qualified for a mortgage (and why wouldn't he) he'd certainly have qualified for a car loan. IMO. MOO.

But maybe it wasn't about a truck or money or any of that at all. Maybe it was about using the gun and incinerator DM already had, feeling invincible with his ability to make people disappear and kill without consequence. Maybe DM just got off on snuffing people out.
 
  • #988
But maybe it wasn't about a truck or money or any of that at all. Maybe it was about using the gun and incinerator DM already had, feeling invincible with his ability to make people disappear and kill without consequence. Maybe DM just got off on snuffing people out.

All the more reason why he wouldn't need to create a ruse to convince people he had enough money to buy a truck, in advance of when the truck was even stolen or the murder committed.
 
  • #989
"Upfront, in full and in cash" doesn't mean he paid cash for it without a mortgage?

Correct. I've bought numerous properties with mortgage funds and they are referred to as cash deals because on closing the vendor receives the balance of funds reflective of the amount agreed to in the purchase/sale agreement (i.e. selling price less deposit).

As for how MSM worded it, who knows ... perhaps sounds a bit more scintillating?
 
  • #990
But maybe it wasn't about a truck or money or any of that at all. Maybe it was about using the gun and incinerator DM already had, feeling invincible with his ability to make people disappear and kill without consequence. Maybe DM just got off on snuffing people out.


I've gotten a Leopold and Loeb vibe from Millard from the very beginning.

I find it interesting how people resist this explanation. Clarence Darrow used this resistance very successfully.
 
  • #991
Or if it was cash, it could have been money made through the proceeds of crime; drugs, chopped vehicles. Paying off the condo IMO was a ruse (initially), to lead LE and the public into believing he had a lot money, therefore that ultimate question people have been asking from the day of DM's arrest, why would he steal a vehicle when he could afford to buy one? MOO.

We don't know for sure, but IF he did in fact use cold hard cash ... subsequent to 9/11 and anti-terror legislation, cash only transactions in real estate (and other industries) over $10,000 have to be reported to the government. Note: this means cold, hard cash, not necessarily one and the same as the "cash deal" referenced earlier as it relates to total funds on closing.

A bit of a primer in that regard:

http://www.dyoumans.com/news/2.htm
 
  • #992
But maybe it wasn't about a truck or money or any of that at all. Maybe it was about using the gun and incinerator DM already had, feeling invincible with his ability to make people disappear and kill without consequence. Maybe DM just got off on snuffing people out.

Yes I think this makes the most sense at this point and time. TB's Dodge Ram was just a bonus.
MOO.
 
  • #993
We seem to be swinging back and forth between the idea that the motive for ultra privileged spoiled brats with lots of disposable cash take breaks from irresponsible partying to kill people for the thrill of it and then steal their stuff. The contrary idea is that the principal accused here may actually be poor as a church mouse and angry at losing his ultra privileged spoiled lifestyle. So driven by delusional fantasies that convince him some particular person has caused his misfortune, he kills that person and steals his stuff.

Lots of problems with either motivational set, IMO in these sudden deaths. Chief among these would be the fact that these three murders have three entirely different types of victims. Serial killers repeatedly choose the same kind of victim and carry out the murders in almost exactly the same way. In the two cases where we know the cause of death, those causes appear to be different from each other.

In the case of DM, while a limited personal benefit might be said to have been claimed by his son, that inheritance was apparently heavily debt ridden and linked to a business whose potential for profits were high risk prone and at some distant time in the future. Meanwhile, DM had already amassed a considerable wealth on his own, in the form of real estate holdings, etc., so there doesn't appear to be the same potential for an Agatha Christie ending with the scallawag sole heir as the guilty party. Moreover, by all accounts, these men were not estranged from each other but actually quite closely bonded with a lot of shared history between them, nor were their warring heirs in the picture.

In the case of DM, it's rather difficult to see how either the thrill kill meme or the rage transferral notion holds water. According to research I've read, thrill kills are almost exclusively power displays. Sometimes a weapon is used. More often it is not. Abuse and torture are often part of the game. It appeared that TB was a strong and able bodied young man, at least the equal of his murderers. He was not a frail young woman, a homeless man or a little child (the latter as in the Leopold and Loeb case and far too many more.) Statistically, those are the targets of thrill killers.

The opposite consideration, the tormented rage idea, doesn't stand up either. For this idea to be entertained we have to accept that DM was extremely angry about either not having enough money to buy a used Dodge or was somehow otherwise prevented from acquiring one through normal channels. Then he found the names of other people online who he considered to be undeserving of owning such a truck and his anger turned to blind rage. We're told TB's name was an arbitrary connection pulled from an online ad and thus involved total strangers with no prior connection whatsoever. So powerful are DMs emotions that two or more people in his company are also sufficiently and jointly fired up with his rage at a total stranger, that within a half hour or so of meeting him, they join together in murdering him and stealing the coveted truck for DM.

Insofar as the death of LB is concerned, there is also no link to either approach. While she has been referred to as DM's girlfriend, she appeared to have several active relationships, including one with a live-in partner who, she reported to the police, had physically abused her only weeks before her disappearance. While she, reportedly, fit the profile for being in a weak and fragile state of mind, and may have been pestering DM with phone calls, especially given that reportedly he was unusually financially generous with friends, but all those 1 minute calls seem to suggest he wasn't even answering his phone much less seducing her into some clandestine meeting where he and his buddy MS could share the experience of a thrill kill. He, apparently, has had lots of girlfriends. who apparently have all survived his attentions. Nor do I think it probable that he channeled some kind of maniacal rage and self-hate in her direction. Putting a stop to pestering phone calls, however desperate they may have been, from an old acquaintance, just doesn't measure up to being a cause for hate motivated murder, imo.

TB, WM and (allegedly) LB. Three completely different sorts of people. Three completely different sudden deaths. No clear benefit arising to the accused from any of the murders. IMO.

All IMHO, of course, and with the proviso that, of course, there are many strange things under the sun. Will the missing pieces fall into place at trial? I sure hope so. MOO.
 
  • #994
But maybe it wasn't about a truck or money or any of that at all. Maybe it was about using the gun and incinerator DM already had, feeling invincible with his ability to make people disappear and kill without consequence. Maybe DM just got off on snuffing people out.


I doubt that. If he got off on snuffing people out, that means he only got off three times according to that logic. Surely if he enjoyed it that much it would have been more than 3 and a little more theatrical, rather than have one termed a suicide, one body not found and one unrecognizable. Usually serial killers have a theme from what I have read. I should think he could have made quite a few people disappear had he really wanted to, with access to a helicopter he had ample options. I don't think he is any type of serial killer from anything I have read or heard about this case. JMO
 
  • #995
But maybe it wasn't about a truck or money or any of that at all. Maybe it was about using the gun and incinerator DM already had, feeling invincible with his ability to make people disappear and kill without consequence. Maybe DM just got off on snuffing people out.

OK, so then he got together with one or more other people and convinced them they could also "get off" on snuffing people out, whatever that means, and the rest his history? How do you know DM's gun was used in any of the deaths? Has that been confirmed? Links please. Tnx.
 
  • #996
We seem to be swinging back and forth between the idea that the motive for ultra privileged spoiled brats with lots of disposable cash take breaks from irresponsible partying to kill people for the thrill of it and then steal their stuff. The contrary idea is that the principal accused here may actually be poor as a church mouse and angry at losing his ultra privileged spoiled lifestyle. So driven by delusional fantasies that convince him some particular person has caused his misfortune, he kills that person and steals his stuff.

Lots of problems with either motivational set, IMO in these sudden deaths. Chief among these would be the fact that these three murders have three entirely different types of victims. Serial killers repeatedly choose the same kind of victim and carry out the murders in almost exactly the same way. In the two cases where we know the cause of death, those causes appear to be different from each other.

In the case of DM, while a limited personal benefit might be said to have been claimed by his son, that inheritance was apparently heavily debt ridden and linked to a business whose potential for profits were high risk prone and at some distant time in the future. Meanwhile, DM had already amassed a considerable wealth on his own, in the form of real estate holdings, etc., so there doesn't appear to be the same potential for an Agatha Christie ending with the scallawag sole heir as the guilty party. Moreover, by all accounts, these men were not estranged from each other but actually quite closely bonded with a lot of shared history between them, nor were their warring heirs in the picture.

In the case of DM, it's rather difficult to see how either the thrill kill meme or the rage transferral notion holds water. According to research I've read, thrill kills are almost exclusively power displays. Sometimes a weapon is used. More often it is not. Abuse and torture are often part of the game. It appeared that TB was a strong and able bodied young man, at least the equal of his murderers. He was not a frail young woman, a homeless man or a little child (the latter as in the Leopold and Loeb case and far too many more.) Statistically, those are the targets of thrill killers.

The opposite consideration, the tormented rage idea, doesn't stand up either. For this idea to be entertained we have to accept that DM was extremely angry about either not having enough money to buy a used Dodge or was somehow otherwise prevented from acquiring one through normal channels. Then he found the names of other people online who he considered to be undeserving of owning such a truck and his anger turned to blind rage. We're told TB's name was an arbitrary connection pulled from an online ad and thus involved total strangers with no prior connection whatsoever. So powerful are DMs emotions that two or more people in his company are also sufficiently and jointly fired up with his rage at a total stranger, that within a half hour or so of meeting him, they join together in murdering him and stealing the coveted truck for DM.

Insofar as the death of LB is concerned, there is also no link to either approach. While she has been referred to as DM's girlfriend, she appeared to have several active relationships, including one with a live-in partner who, she reported to the police, had physically abused her only weeks before her disappearance. While she, reportedly, fit the profile for being in a weak and fragile state of mind, and may have been pestering DM with phone calls, especially given that reportedly he was unusually financially generous with friends, but all those 1 minute calls seem to suggest he wasn't even answering his phone much less seducing her into some clandestine meeting where he and his buddy MS could share the experience of a thrill kill. He, apparently, has had lots of girlfriends. who apparently have all survived his attentions. Nor do I think it probable that he channeled some kind of maniacal rage and self-hate in her direction. Putting a stop to pestering phone calls, however desperate they may have been, from an old acquaintance, just don't measure up to being a cause for hate motivated murder, imo.

TB, WM and (allegedly) LB. Three completely different sorts of people. Three completely different sudden deaths. No clear benefit arising to the accused from any of the murders. IMO.

All IMHO, of course, and with the proviso that, of course, there are many strange things under the sun. Will the missing pieces fall into place at trial? I sure hope so. MOO.

Hedonistic

This type of serial killer seeks thrills and derives pleasure from killing, seeing people as expendable means to this goal. Forensic psychologists have identified three subtypes of the hedonistic killer: "lust", "thrill" and "comfort".


https://sites.google.com/site/psych...hat-are-the-different-types-of-serial-killers
 
  • #997
I see. So in these cases the killer's motivations were in a state of flux. They just cherry picked among various psychotic states. Therefore a thrill kill motivated by "lust" may have explained LB's death; "comfort" underscored the father's demise and "thrill" accounted for the murder of TB. I think it would be extremely unusual for one person, much less two or more, to have all these differing motivations. I think the "pleasure" element probably and most ususall derives from a single individual murdering the same sort of person in same sort of way, thus engaging in the same twisted fantasy over and over again.

IMO neither of the accused fits the profile outlined in the article, as far as we know. No taunting messages to the police. No cryptic information for the media. The murders were carried out by more than one person. The death of WM was carried out very differently than the murder of TB. But again, and more importantly, the victims had nothing in common with each other.

MOO IMHO.
 
  • #998
Some snippets/excerpts from the FBI’s 2005 symposium on serial killers:

(Behavioral Analysis Unit-2, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, Critical Incident Response Group, Federal Bureau of Investigation)


Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.


• There are no specific combinations of traits or characteristics shown to differentiate serial killers from other violent offenders.

• There is no generic template for a serial killer.

• Serial killers are driven by their own unique motives or reasons.



• A serial murderer may have multiple motives for committing his crimes.



• Criminal Enterprise is a motivation in which the offender benefits in status or monetary compensation by committing murder that is drug, gang, or organized crime related.

• Financial gain is a motivation in which the offender benefits monetarily from killing. Examples of these types of crimes are “black widow” killings, robbery homicides, or multiple killings involving insurance or welfare fraud.

Full article at:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

The fact remains, if DM is convicted of 2 or 3 of the murders he is charged with, he will be classified as a serial killer, regardless of his psychological makeup or motives.
 
  • #999
But again, and more importantly, the victims had nothing in common with each other.
MOO IMHO.

Except for close contact with Dellen Millard on the final days of their lives.
 
  • #1,000
Some snippets/excerpts from the FBI’s 2005 symposium on serial killers:

(Behavioral Analysis Unit-2, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, Critical Incident Response Group, Federal Bureau of Investigation)




Full article at:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

The fact remains, if DM is convicted of 2 or 3 of the murders he is charged with, he will be classified as a serial killer, regardless of his psychological makeup or motives.

So he suddenly turned into a serial killer at the age of 27?, proceeded to possibly off LB, although no body has been found. He then decides to off his dad and then invite his mother and ex over to view the scene. He then plans some type of thrilling type murder while in the company of one , two or more friends who can witness the event, he then puts the remains of a body on his farm and the truck at his moms, and in the process he decides to leave an incinerator close to remains which mysteriously moves by itself at some point to another position according to neighbors who just happened to notice this from the roadside or while trespassing across property at this particular time.

That is some planning ! Who plans a murder to have at least two witnesses, leaves the remains of a body close to an incinerator on their own property and then drives several miles to take the truck to his own mothers driveway? I can think of a few other plans that would have been less conspicuous that that one, if someone was intent on murder. It doesn't add up for me.
 

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