weekend break: discuss the latest here #123

[Kensie]

So what if Jodi was abused by Travis - of course we know that is not true, but what would be her reason to go see him 1000 miles away after she had already distanced herself from him (she moved back to CA in 4/2008). This whole trial based on self defence is ridiculous.

 

[Sleuth5]

i could almost feel sorry for alv, but she really did cross and professional and ethical boundary when she called travis a perpetrator.

it is considered unethical to diagnose someone without actually meeting and evaluating that person. i know this and i'm not even a shrink.

I'm ok with her saying that if we accept as true what ja has said, then the relationship could be viewed as abusive and i do not think that is unethical.

I really don't know why she thinks she's qualified to testify in a criminal case - big mistake that she will now be paying dearly for.

bbm ita.

 

[DairyGirl]

Here's a link to another long journal entry (8 pages) from 5/22/08; ALV testified about this during her last day of direct with JW.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias1.pdf

Previously shared on this thread, the June entries after the phone call from Dan Freeman:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias2.pdf

I tried following the file naming protocol to see if there were others, but no more at this time.

Reading those two entries it is clear to me that the one written on May 22, 2008 was as much fiction as the ones written after she killed Travis. I have no doubt that she intended to use her journal to show that she had no bad feelings towards Travis and no reason to want to kill him. The other thing that is clear to me is that despite what she has written she is clearly obsessed with him, as much as ever. I admit that I haven't read her entire journal but what I have seen show clear obsession from the time she met him to after she killed him. Maybe because it is select entries? But it seems that all she ever writes about is Travis. Maybe there are other entries that don't have anything to do with Travis and they haven't been released because they have no relevance? It could be but what has been released shows how much she obsessed about him.
I also believe that those 6 weeks or so between killing and arrest were plenty of time for her to get rid of any previous entries that may have shown motive and replaced with her own fairy take of how good and kind and sweet she was to Travis even though he was mean and yelled and said bad things. She never showed on bad side of herself. Maybe she really just was such a liar that she couldn't be truthful even to herself but I tend to believe she rewrote history. Even writing about hoping that their texts and recordings and hoping they would never be revealed and it's too bad she never got around to playing the recordings for Travis. I think not.

 

[lisasalinger]

Watch from 51:10-51:30 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3zlhqVZqE

Perfect, thanks! I don't know how I missed that yesterday. Must have been the fog rolling in.

 

[josie1986]

I wonder when alyce got the call she was "no longer required" for her speaking engagement.

Serves her right,I'm on that karma train going right through her career CHOO CHOO

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[discogirl]

BBM: Yes -- juror notes must stay in the court ... I remember something about this from that other trial in that other state ...

For some reason, I remember Judge Perry making a statement about the juror's notebooks and IIRC, they are "destroyed" after deliberations and verdict ...

Maybe someone else here remembers or knows the process ...

:moo:

Are juror 5's notes still available to the other jurors to review? Or are they thrown out along with her?

 

[legallee]

These are in my back yard... how much will you guys give me if I dress up as Snow White and sit in the audience?

:floorlaugh: OMG that made me laugh so hard! :floorlaugh:

 

[shoregirl]

Does anyone know if there is a chain of evidence on her journals? How much time did she have to falisfy, add or subtract. Were they in the hands of the defense?

 

[Ricki]

Watching opening statements on HLN - wow - Juan is great, and hasn't ever stopped. We're up to Mimi going to the house to see why she hasn't heard from Travis.
Poor Napoleon is going nuts when Mimi knocks on the door, but nobody answers. I bet poor Naps was so confused.

I am watching also, Boy oh boy, has JA looks changed from Jan 2, 2013. Yikes

 

[Sleuth5]

I think it is evident based on her testiphony and the way she handled herself on the stand during cross.

How does one go from being a know-it-all DV expert to someone who can't even understand simple questions?

BBM. That's a good question. For some reason, I have a feeling we are going to hear that question from the prosecutor...soon.

 

[Kensie]

I could almost feel sorry for ALV, but she really did cross professional and ethical boundaries when she called Travis a perpetrator.

It is considered unethical to diagnose someone without actually meeting and evaluating that person. I know this and I'm not even a shrink.

I'm OK with her saying that if we accept as true what JA has said, then the relationship could be viewed as abusive and I do not think that is unethical.

I really don't know why she thinks she's qualified to testify in a criminal case - big mistake that she will now be paying dearly for.

I was wondering about that too. How could ALV know so much about Travis when she NEVER interviewed him? I hope Juan mentions this.

 

[cubbeegirl]

Watching opening statements on HLN - wow - Juan is great, and hasn't ever stopped. We're up to Mimi going to the house to see why she hasn't heard from Travis.
Poor Napoleon is going nuts when Mimi knocks on the door, but nobody answers. I bet poor Naps was so confused.

Stupid old work
They need to livestream this ...

 

[Sleuth5]

I was wondering about that too. How could ALV know so much about Travis when she interviewed him? I hope Juan mentions this.

Oh, I think that's exactly where he's going. She didn't interview Snow White either. The magic "continuum" is going to be his instrument of torture.

:cow:

 

[verbonica]

Good luck! I'm sure you'll make an excellent juror.

It is still a wonder to me how 12 whole people agreed with the Defense in KC's trial. I would have considered it a 'miracle' if one or two had but somehow all 12 agreed. I think even some alternate jurors said they didn't think KC was guilty!

From what I have heard, they (most) thought that Casey was guilty of *something* -- just that the prosecution had not proven the charges "Beyond a reasonable doubt".

 

[lil_buddy]

I was wondering about that too. How could ALV know so much about Travis when she interviewed him? I hope Juan mentions this.

I'm no psychic, but I guarantee you this point will be made repeatedly - probably ad nauseum. He has already touched on it.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry am behind so please forgive that this post will land randomly amidst unrelated discussion and topics..

Karmady,
In the previous thread this morning you replied to my post where I was voicing my very real anger and outrage at the antics from the gallery behind the defendant and her counsel.. and I asked the question of why this behavior was allowed..

you replied to my post by stating that this took place outside of the view of the jury, as in they were not present in the courtroom at the time of the open displays of laughter, animated faces, and complete disrespect and disregard for JJS court and the proceedings taking place..

I'm not sure you looked at the photos?

Because in the photos it is very clear that these unacceptable actics were occurring DURING THEIR PAL, ALV'S TESTIMONY ON CROSS BY THE PROSECUTOR!

THE JURY ABSOLUTELY WAS IN THE COURTROOM AND HAVE A CLEAR, UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW OF MISS ALV'S PALS OPEN DISPLAYS OF INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIORS AMIDST COURT IN SESSION, WITH WITNESS TESTIMONY ON CROSS EXAM..

I wanted to make sure that was corrected.. be not mistaken these antics are taking place in this jury's presence and exactly why I am outraged.. i could care less what these ppl do or how they choose to behave outside of this proceeding of a death penalty trial..

The jury is in the courtroom and Tiger Balm's photos illustrate this fact.

 

[Donnareit]

Reading those two entries it is clear to me that the one written on May 22, 2008 was as much fiction as the ones written after she killed Travis. I have no doubt that she intended to use her journal to show that she had no bad feelings towards Travis and no reason to want to kill him. The other thing that is clear to me is that despite what she has written she is clearly obsessed with him, as much as ever. I admit that I haven't read her entire journal but what I have seen show clear obsession from the time she met him to after she killed him. Maybe because it is select entries? But it seems that all she ever writes about is Travis. Maybe there are other entries that don't have anything to do with Travis and they haven't been released because they have no relevance? It could be but what has been released shows how much she obsessed about him.
I also believe that those 6 weeks or so between killing and arrest were plenty of time for her to get rid of any previous entries that may have shown motive and replaced with her own fairy take of how good and kind and sweet she was to Travis even though he was mean and yelled and said bad things. She never showed on bad side of herself. Maybe she really just was such a liar that she couldn't be truthful even to herself but I tend to believe she rewrote history. Even writing about hoping that their texts and recordings and hoping they would never be revealed and it's too bad she never got around to playing the recordings for Travis. I think not.

I would like to see the rest, also. Is every page about Travis?

 

[TXHoney]

Does anyone know if there is a chain of evidence on her journals? How much time did she have to falisfy, add or subtract. Were they in the hands of the defense?

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that her journals would have been picked up when she was arrested and they executed their search warrant, which was July...17? Something close to that. So she had a good six weeks or so. Those aren't big pages, very easily doable.

 

[Truth Detector]

Reading those two entries it is clear to me that the one written on May 22, 2008 was as much fiction as the ones written after she killed Travis. I have no doubt that she intended to use her journal to show that she had no bad feelings towards Travis and no reason to want to kill him. The other thing that is clear to me is that despite what she has written she is clearly obsessed with him, as much as ever. I admit that I haven't read her entire journal but what I have seen show clear obsession from the time she met him to after she killed him. Maybe because it is select entries? But it seems that all she ever writes about is Travis. Maybe there are other entries that don't have anything to do with Travis and they haven't been released because they have no relevance? It could be but what has been released shows how much she obsessed about him.
I also believe that those 6 weeks or so between killing and arrest were plenty of time for her to get rid of any previous entries that may have shown motive and replaced with her own fairy take of how good and kind and sweet she was to Travis even though he was mean and yelled and said bad things. She never showed on bad side of herself. Maybe she really just was such a liar that she couldn't be truthful even to herself but I tend to believe she rewrote history. Even writing about hoping that their texts and recordings and hoping they would never be revealed and it's too bad she never got around to playing the recordings for Travis. I think not.

Coupling this with the youtube account, voicemail messages, digital account hackings, getting lost and Utah alibis, and syrupy sweet memorials she wrote to/about the deceased and her love for him, makes quite obvious her intent to cover up her perpetration of the murder and especially her careful planning and premeditation thereof.

 

[Angelina Frost]

So what if Jodi was abused by Travis - of course we know that is not true, but what would be her reason to go see him 1000 miles away after she had already distanced herself from him (she moved back to CA in 4/2008). This whole trial based on self defence is ridiculous.

The worst that could be said about him is that he was a player. Big effing deal. Lots of guys are players. The defendant was an adult who knew right from wrong, period. Haven't heard one thing that made me think he was out of the realm of normal. I knew nothing prior to trial, and the minute I heard some of the evidence, I knew the defendant was psycho. I've dealt with psycho chicks before- their incessant mind**** type of games would drive anyone to madness. If anyone had a reason to snap, HE did. Not her. After everything she did, he still didn't react all that much. Called her evil and a sociopath? Sure, that's an abuser. :notgood:

The DT knows they've done nothing to bolster (much less justify) a self-defense claim, so they're opting to go with a hodgepodge of crime of passion/snapping turtle/gobbledygook battered woman defense.

In order for that to happen, the jury has to take the defendant at her word, because that's all their star witness (ALV) has to base her *cough* diagnosis on.