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I just ran across this.. if anyone is interested.. check it out

http://www.csulb.edu/colleges/cla/al...d-alumni-2011/

An interesting and informative read..


Link above says ALV "cochairs the Association of Batterers Intervention Program"... Isn't ABIP the organization that cancelled her speech this weekend? And the link below indicates the organization is tax exempt and guess who's the Prez? ALV

http://www.faqs.org/tax-exempt/CA/Association-Of-Batterers-Intervention-Programs.html

Yep.. that's another interesting point brought out in in this article..
 
How ironic that Travis supposedly thought that "Hinckley" or "Regan" would be good names for girls, two names that may bring to mind an insane shooting.

I think her diary is for, in part, for show. It's as if she's always asking herself, "What if someone sees this?"

This, to me, is a psychopath's duping delight. Her own personal in-joke. It's sick.
 
Maybe someone with experience can answer this for me.

1) First date - everything is wonderful
2) Battered woman is isolated and abused

Here's what I don't get. Somewhere between #1 and #3, BEFORE this person is a victim, why not leave? I agree by the time they get to the very end, they are too involved and enmeshed to have the will to leave. But SOMEWHERE between there, when they notice things aren't going good, why not leave THEN?
In other words - where is the point of no return? Why not leave at the first hint of trouble?
The way many abusive relationships evolve goes something like this:

Cindy meets the Prince. Cindy falls deeply for the Prince - she tells him she's never met anyone like him, he is the most gorgeous, brilliant creature she has ever laid eyes on. Cindy can't get enough of him. She calls him several times a day if only to hear his voice. He's everything she's ever dreamed of and she makes certain to tell him this time and time again. The Prince, understandably, is quite smitten with all the sudden attention being afforded him - he feels more special than he's ever felt in his life - a rare gem, as Cindy tells him, among a whole lot of poppycock. She's never met anyone like him - he is just that unique. She doesn't care about the throne, his title, and would actually much prefer to just stay in her small cottage. The Prince is astounded to meet someone so generous, so humble, so into him just for being him.

The Prince is in love. Cindy goes on to tell the Prince how horribly abused she was as a child. She'd been molested since the age of 3. Her mother put cigarettes out on her arms. Cindy shows the Prince her scars, tears welling in her eyes. He holds her, weeping, feeling despondent that he couldn't protect her from the monsters that hurt her. He swears to his dying breath he will protect her now.

One day, just weeks after they'd met, Cindy plans an elaborate romantic getaway. While sipping from his champagne flute, the Prince sees a glint. Examining the glass more closely, he realizes a ring lies in among the bubbles. He looks up, confused, at Cindy. She displays a huge grin, gets up from her chair, and carefully places herself on the Prince's lap. She whispers to him, her eyes moistening, that she can't imagine living another day without him as her husband. He can't believe his luck - the magic of fate being so kind to bring someone into his life that practically worships him. They marry the following weekend and the Prince moves into Cindy's hovel.

He makes plans to play poker with his best friend, the Squire. Cindy begins crying upon learning this, telling the Prince she'd just learned a new recipe she was going to make for their dinner, and she missed him so much on his poker nights. The Prince chuckles, believing his wife may be a bit silly but isn't it sweet to miss him so much when he's only gone a few hours?

She tells him how handsome he is in blue but she just can't stand his red tunic. Begrudgingly, as he knows it will make his wife happy, he tosses his red tunic in the Camelot Army donation crate. The Squire mentions he's called a few times and the Prince thinks its odd Cindy hadn't told him. She explains she forgot - after all, she is the only one who ever does any cleaning around the place! How can she be expected to play secretary too! The Prince apologizes, attempting to understand his wife's irrational frustration while also feeling guilty for laying more on her shoulders. He could really sweep more often than he does. He promises mentally to try to ease his beloved wife's apparent strain.

Several weeks later, the Prince is late to work 3 days on the trot. The keys to the carriage seem to go missing no matter where he leaves them. Cindy manages to find them the first two days, by some miracle, chiding him how irresponsible and absent-minded he can be. The third day, while again frantically searching, he asks if she's checked the bowl on the table. Cindy draws in a deep breath, marches over to the table, picks up the bowl and lunges it at the Prince, narrowly missing his aristocratic nose.

He stands stunned, frozen in place. Cindy goes on a tirade. She screams in his face about what a real man is - how she is exhausted at bearing the burden of laundry, cooking, cleaning, and darning the socks he put yet another hole in. How could he be so cruel to her. Didn't he understand best of all people how much she'd been through in her life? Didn't he ever love her?

The last question catches the Prince paling. His heart twists ever so slightly and for a moment he wonders how he's become such a callous monster? How could he not appreciate how much his wife offered to their marriage and tell her so. He drops to his knees, apologizing profusely for his stupidity. Cindy is cold and tells him bluntly they'll discuss it after work - she quickly locates his keys in the cupboard, where she'd hidden them the night before.

That day the Prince is fired. He returns home, disheartened, apprehensive of how Cindy will take the news. He opens the door and laid upon the table are fresh flowers, his favorite soup, and even gingerbread for dessert. Cindy appears, wearing her best gown, and hurriedly rushes to the Prince - kissing his cheek and apologizing for her horrible behavior earlier. Feeling guilt and shame, the Prince breaks down and gives Cindy the terrible news. To his immense surprise, she takes his hand gently, looks into his eyes, and promises they'll be okay. No matter what, they have each other. Besides, there's work he can do around the house and the hotel is hiring chambermaids. They agree, because she is so insistent, he will care for their home and she will provide for it.

Cindy hates the way he makes soup though. She complains her dress is too starchy. The bread he used to make her a sandwich was too dry. The Prince listens to his wife's seemingly endless list of complaints - she had a point, he hadn't read the instructions on the starch, had he? The Prince pledges he'll be better. He wakes before dawn and retires after midnight but the house is sparkling. The next day Cindy explains that, due to rising bills, she has to give the Prince a bit less money weekly for the household maintenance. Realizing he won't be able to cover the grocer's bill and lose money at poker - which he always does - he decides it would be most prudent to skip the Squire's...again.

The Prince's parents visit. Cindy is at her most charming and loving, bestowing reams of compliments on her husband. The Prince glimpses again the woman he fell for - he is enraptured. His parents even commend him on what a brilliant match he's made.

Two days later Cindy breaks a broom across his back after finding soot on the hem of her favorite dress. She takes most of the housekeeping money for the following week for a new one. The Prince is mortified his sweet, lovely wife could have been so cruel but realizes he too should have been more careful with his sweeping. His parents would hardly believe him though, even if he'd thought to say something - they themselves called her an angel and would likely call him foolish for so silly a mistake. He's so embarrassed by his uselessness. Eventually his parents invade a new country, expand their kingdom, and move to a new castle far away. He hasn't spoken to the Squire now in months. The Prince tries so very hard to make Cindy happy - and there are moments - blessed, beautiful moments she tells him how lucky she is to have him, how wonderful he is to her. Those moments become less and less over time though and more often he is teased, ridiculed, cajoled and sometimes even hit when he just can't seem to get anything right.

Months turn into years. The Prince is responsible for the household and their four young sons. The Prince has no friends, little money, no job, and is the only one really taking care of their boys. How will they eat if he leaves? Still, just once, the Prince embraces the courage to leave, swearing they'll eat raw potatoes if they must - only to find a crumpled, crying Cindy barring his way - promising to end her life if he leaves. He loves her, he doesn't want to hurt her, they have children together, and so he stays. Perhaps one day he will realize that she manipulates his love for her...

(Peeps, I am so, so sorry for the length of this. I got kinda wrapped up in it and couldn't stop til my fingers forced me. :blushing:)
 
On the stand, LaViolette challenges Juan Martinez: "Do you want the truth or a yes or no?"

This is a typical double bind presented by mindf*****rs. She purports to be an advocate for abuse victims, some of whom have been subjected to this very kind of response by their abusers.

This really was a red flag for me.

Yes, exactly! Exactly right....manipulation. And that this "advocate" practices this tactic is very telling...
 
Dear HLN producers,

Please stop playing the same couple clips over and over.
If that is all you have then file another public records request for more, we are sick of them already.

ALso, tell JVM the defendant isn't petite, she just didn't have her boob job yet in that wedding video.
 
The one question I have found difficult to understand , especially in the wake of LV's DV testimony is this:

If Jodie was in fact an abused women and in fear of her life why does she not keep running to get away.

I mean she states she did not think the gun was loaded so going back to confront Travis with it was stupid and senseless.

In her earlier testimony JM asked her something like "so you never looked back to see where Travis was--this man who said "****ing kill you?
Her answer was "no I just wanted to get away, I really did not care about where he was"-(-Obviously this is paraphrased.)

....So she is contradicting herself in saying, on one hand "She just wanted to get away" and on the other hand had enough guts (to go back to the source of her fear (not to kill him, but to scare him).

This just makes crazy JA sense--If it truly was self defense her first answer of
"just running for her life" would be the right one.

I think she screws up when she takes time to get the gun, go back to confront JA, and takes the chance , especially if the gun is never loaded, to get killed herself??

This is , IMO, the reason I say it was premeditated--of course along with all the other pre-planning. Self-defense??? Think it was a little too much "OVERKILL".:moo:

Excellent points!! A persons first instinct in fight or flight mode would be to flee in JA's situation. She didn't have babies she needed to protect in the next room. She was free to flee from the naked man who had tenants and likely wouldn't have followed her past his bedroom door anyway. Not sure about Arizona but where I live, deciding to run into another room to get the weapon and coming back with it,rather than run away is all the pre-meditation needed. Gas cans, dye jobs, rented cars and turned off cellphones are just icing on the cake.
 
regarding the cancelation of ALV's seminar this was posted on FB
The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial Nope. Just had it confirmed by her organisers. They don't want to deal with the backlash.
Like · 39 · 10 minutes ago

If this is true, I am glad the backlash is now writ large and in her face.
 
This, to me, is a psychopath's duping delight. Her own personal in-joke. It's sick.

IF it is true, I'm sure he knew of the association and thought it was a sort of ironic joke. Though, it's just as plausible to me that it's complete fabrication and it's HER irony, not his.
 
I agree. I think she tried to load something onto his computer. Either from her computer or from a disk.

moo

I've never understood the whole CD thing and TA's computer virus story- if they were having trouble viewing a CD of photos on his computer, why didn't they just pop it into her laptop. She claims the laptop went everywhere with her...
 
I'm still trying to understand why Juror # 5 has chosen to return to the courtroom to observe the trial vs watching live feed in the comfort of her home.

She's asked for the respect of privacy for she & her family (which she certainly deserves) so why would she subject herself to the attention and scrutiny of the media?

:spring:

After the sacrifice of time she made and the discomfort of all that time listening to Samuels and ALV, I am sure she was outraged that whatever she said was taken as a violation and she was kicked off the jury.

With that level of commitment to the case and months of being in the courtroom with a full view of everything, you can imagine the withdrawal. How can she possibly go home and just be like us on the sidelines when she's been a player?

At least this way she isn't going to miss anything for her book. I want her to write that tell-all book and she needs to be there to give her own interpretation of how Lady Justice was either served or slaughtered (again).

I am pleased they respected her participation enough to grant her a seat without making her join the line outside.
 
Matt M could have helped her in that department - I bet he knows a thing or two about hacking etc... he would never betray Arias remember? Matt is her ally... maybe that is one of the things that she is holding over Matt? I wouldn't be surprised.

Unless he gets immunity.
 
So does anyone think JA actually wrote this? There isn't a single big word and well, it just doesn't sound like her.

Am I going crazy?

Kelly

Sounds like her phoney-baloney nonsense to me.:twocents:
 
OMFG!!!!

Are you hearing these newly released journal entries by the killer????? [on JVM]

These journals are OBVIOUSLY full of lies. She writes in her journal that she wishes she knew how her good friend died!!!!!

So now we KNOW that she placed lies in this journal to defend her from the cops.
 
On the stand, LaViolette challenges Juan Martinez: "Do you want the truth or a yes or no?"

This is a typical double bind presented by mindf*****rs. She purports to be an advocate for abuse victims, some of whom have been subjected to this very kind of response by their abusers.

This really was a red flag for me.

RED FLAG is right! So was rolling her eyes at the jury, and asking him "Are you angry with me Mr. Martinez?" Taunting much? Talk about wanting to "gain status" as a superior to the "person targeted"!
 
and i do believe she rewrote them. jodi and all her little pens.

she practically begged them to find her journals. that's not an accident.

I totally agree, the journals speak for themselves. No one can accuse JA of being dumb, I think she has a remarkable IQ and if tested would probably show genius levels. Such a shame that this intelligence is wasted in such an evil person. The journals were re-written, the e-mails were sent/copied to/from fake accounts.

If somebody told us that they have discovered that the text messaging was done by JA alone, using her own and Travis' smart phone, I would not be the least bit surprised.

Pure evil on display in Mesa Arizona.
 
The way many abusive relationships evolve goes something like this:

Cindy meets the Prince. Cindy falls deeply for the Prince - she tells him she's never met anyone like him, he is the most gorgeous, brilliant creature she has ever laid eyes on. Cindy can't get enough of him. She calls him several times a day if only to hear his voice. He's everything she's ever dreamed of and she makes certain to tell him this time and time again. The Prince, understandably, is quite smitten with all the sudden attention being afforded him - he feels more special than he's ever felt in his life - a rare gem, as Cindy tells him, among a whole lot of poppycock. She's never met anyone like him - he is just that unique. She doesn't care about the throne, his title, and would actually much prefer to just stay in her small cottage. The Prince is astounded to meet someone so generous, so humble, so into him just for being him.

The Prince is in love. Cindy goes on to tell the Prince how horribly abused she was as a child. She'd been molested since the age of 3. Her mother put cigarettes out on her arms. Cindy shows the Prince her scars, tears welling in her eyes. He holds her, weeping, feeling despondent that he couldn't protect her from the monsters that hurt her. He swears to his dying breath he will protect her now.

One day, just weeks after they'd met, Cindy plans an elaborate romantic getaway. While sipping from his champagne flute, the Prince sees a glint. Examining the glass more closely, he realizes a ring lies in among the bubbles. He looks up, confused, at Cindy. She displays a huge grin, gets up from her chair, and carefully places herself on the Prince's lap. She whispers to him, her eyes moistening, that she can't imagine living another day without him as her husband. He can't believe his luck - the magic of fate being so kind to bring someone into his life that practically worships him. They marry the following weekend and the Prince moves into Cindy's hovel.

He makes plans to play poker with his best friend, the Squire. Cindy begins crying upon learning this, telling the Prince she'd just learned a new recipe she was going to make for their dinner, and she missed him so much on his poker nights. The Prince chuckles, believing his wife may be a bit silly but isn't it sweet to miss him so much when he's only gone a few hours?

She tells him how handsome he is in blue but she just can't stand his red tunic. Begrudgingly, as he knows it will make his wife happy, he tosses his red tunic in the Camelot Army donation crate. The Squire mentions he's called a few times and the Prince thinks its odd Cindy hadn't told him. She explains she forgot - after all, she is the only one who ever does any cleaning around the place! How can she be expected to play secretary too! The Prince apologizes, attempting to understand his wife's irrational frustration while also feeling guilty for laying more on her shoulders. He could really sweep more often than he does. He promises mentally to try to ease his beloved wife's apparent strain.

Several weeks later, the Prince is late to work 3 days on the trot. The keys to the carriage seem to go missing no matter where he leaves them. Cindy manages to find them the first two days, by some miracle, chiding him how irresponsible and absent-minded he can be. The third day, while again frantically searching, he asks if she's checked the bowl on the table. Cindy draws in a deep breath, marches over to the table, picks up the bowl and lunges it at the Prince, narrowly missing his aristocratic nose.

He stands stunned, frozen in place. Cindy goes on a tirade. She screams in his face about what a real man is - how she is exhausted at bearing the burden of laundry, cooking, cleaning, and darning the socks he put yet another hole in. How could he be so cruel to her. Didn't he understand best of all people how much she'd been through in her life? Didn't he ever love her?

The last question catches the Prince paling. His heart twists ever so slightly and for a moment he wonders how he's become such a callous monster? How could he not appreciate how much his wife offered to their marriage and tell her so. He drops to his knees, apologizing profusely for his stupidity. Cindy is cold and tells him bluntly they'll discuss it after work - she quickly locates his keys in the cupboard, where she'd hidden them the night before.

That day the Prince is fired. He returns home, disheartened, apprehensive of how Cindy will take the news. He opens the door and laid upon the table are fresh flowers, his favorite soup, and even gingerbread for dessert. Cindy appears, wearing her best gown, and hurriedly rushes to the Prince - kissing his cheek and apologizing for her horrible behavior earlier. Feeling guilt and shame, the Prince breaks down and gives Cindy the terrible news. To his immense surprise, she takes his hand gently, looks into his eyes, and promises they'll be okay. No matter what, they have each other. Besides, there's work he can do around the house and the hotel is hiring chambermaids. They agree, because she is so insistent, he will care for their home and she will provide for it.

Cindy hates the way he makes soup though. She complains her dress is too starchy. The bread he used to make her a sandwich was too dry. The Prince listens to his wife's seemingly endless list of complaints - she had a point, he hadn't read the instructions on the starch, had he? The Prince pledges he'll be better. He wakes before dawn and retires after midnight but the house is sparkling. The next day Cindy explains that, due to rising bills, she has to give the Prince a bit less money weekly for the household maintenance. Realizing he won't be able to cover the grocer's bill and lose money at poker - which he always does - he decides it would be most prudent to skip the Squire's...again.

The Prince's parents visit. Cindy is at her most charming and loving, bestowing reams of compliments on her husband. The Prince glimpses again the woman he fell for - he is enraptured. His parents even commend him on what a brilliant match he's made.

Two days later Cindy breaks a broom across his back after finding soot on the hem of her favorite dress. She takes most of the housekeeping money for the following week for a new one. The Prince is mortified his sweet, lovely wife could have been so cruel but realizes he too should have been more careful with his sweeping. His parents would hardly believe him though, even if he'd thought to say something - they themselves called her an angel and would likely call him foolish for so silly a mistake. He's so embarrassed by his uselessness. Eventually his parents invade a new country, expand their kingdom, and move to a new castle far away. He hasn't spoken to the Squire now in months. The Prince tries so very hard to make Cindy happy - and there are moments - blessed, beautiful moments she tells him how lucky she is to have him, how wonderful he is to her. Those moments become less and less over time though and more often he is teased, ridiculed, cajoled and sometimes even hit when he just can't seem to get anything right.

Months turn into years. The Prince is responsible for the household and their four young sons. The Prince has no friends, little money, no job, and is the only one really taking care of their boys. How will they eat if he leaves? Still, just once, the Prince embraces the courage to leave, swearing they'll eat raw potatoes if they must - only to find a crumpled, crying Cindy barring his way - promising to end her life if he leaves. He loves her, he doesn't want to hurt her, they have children together, and so he stays. Perhaps one day he will realize that she manipulates his love for her...

(Peeps, I am so, so sorry for the length of this. I got kinda wrapped up in it and couldn't stop til my fingers forced me. :blushing:)

OMG BritsKate you are incredibly talented!!!! Are you J K Rowling in disguise??? What an amazing story and illustration of the point. I'm so cheering for this Prince of yours!!! :yourock:
 
Plus she CLAIMS TA gave her his passwords - so if she did log in how can anyone prove she snuck his passwords rather getting them with his permission? Maybe at some point he changed his passwords and the computer forensics guy can show that she tried to get in after that point?

I am wondering and HOPING they can tell if his password was signed on from her computer in California as opposed to his in Arizona. I would think they can tell the difference.
 
No, she didn't come up with the pedo accusation until much later, as part of her abuse defense.
Well the DA seems to have completely dropped that bit of nonsense apart from throwing it out there through JA's testimony. Nothing else has been mentioned about it. I hope JM closes up that shop.

moo
 
ALV has no problem understanding questions. She's just playing a game, just like JA did. She's obfuscating, obstructing, turning things around and trying to manipulate the prosecutor. With her smart 🤬🤬🤬 comments, smirks and sarcasm, she shows disrespect for the Court, AND she is doing the hyper-literal nit-picking interpretations of the questions in order to confuse and control.

She and her "client" have a lot in common. I find ALV repulsive (or repugnant or both). Just another sell-out wh*** jumping on the Jodi gravy train. She's sickening.
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