weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #154

[gngr~snap]

Thanks...hadn't seen that forum but had toyed with the PTSD forum.

:seeyar PTSD thread... I would imagine there are people there with PTSD in the thread I linked as well...

 

[wenwe4]

I would like to share my experience but not in this forum. Not sure what forum is appropriate.

There is a PTSD thread on this forum if you would like to share here.

PTSD sufferers - please post here - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Many people have struggled with this case because they suffer with issues of PTSD. Hope this helps!

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

it doesn't affect that conclusion, i agree. it's just something to toss around on this board. i'm HOPING deliberations go just like you say. i don't want a compromise verdict from this jury because the evidence is overwhelming that she planned it. there are many reasons why but for me the gas cans, and LYING about the third gas can, leaves no doubt about that.

For me, it was the hair dye. She felt that her blonde hair helped define herself as a gorgeous, traffic stopping babe. So for her to dye the hair she felt was so much a part of who she was made it obvious she did it only because she had to do it so that no one would recognize or remember her being in AZ that night.

 

[raisincharlie]

And here I am in the middle of the two opinions, wondering why didn't JM ask Dr. D to expand on the 7 out of 10 elevations.

Even on the CA case, I felt the prosecutor had much more and just believed the jury would find her guilty and sentence her to death. I know the jury was wrong and all that. But still.

What stops the prosecutor from putting everything out there for the jury to see? I really believe they should have do that. Was it JM's decision or is it the judge? In any case, I don't think we have seen all the evidence.

I think of the things, related to Jodi specifically, that we have seen entered into evidence and then compare it to those things we have heard from friends and family and realize the answer is we have seen very little of the Jodi specific evidence brought into this courtroom. This I place on the judge ruling on the basis of prejudice. JMO

As to being in the middle, well there is Doc Samuels with his 35 years and somewhat questionable ethics, versus Doc DeMarte with less than a decade but with ethics present and accounted for. For myself, the choice as an evaluator is quite simple.

 

[sacrablue]

I'm sorry about your mother and I'm glad she was saved.

This post better explains to me your previous posts. It underscores the fact that there is a lot of sorrow in some of our histories and that comments made are often attached to something deeper.

Exactly, I did not want to get into specifics but maybe it could help someone.
Mental illness is the most tragic occurrence. It drives me crazy watching this trial trying to make sense out of it or bounce worthless ideas around.
We as a Society are just learning about the human brain and its functions and it requires every inch of skill and compassion to solve if possible. These are not "fun" people to be around. Their thinking is not like ours. It is very frustrating and the only hope is finding the rare few Docs that take it personal and want to help.

 

[Love Never Fails]

The law in general as far as court seems to lean toward the defense. I'm sure we all noticed how the judge allowed JW to do and say a lot that she didn't allow JM to see or do because this is the guilt phase. We will see more evidence in the penalty phase. I for one cannot wait for JM's closing.

But Leebee, how does the prosecutor ask twelve people to sentence her to death if the judge would not allow some of the most prejudicial evidence to come in in the first place? I don't understand our very own court system.

 

[Truth Detector]

I can't remember who originally posted this theory about her leaving the camera behind, but it made sense to me (in a backwards sort of way):

She didn't take the camera with her because in her mind, everyone knew she was "the photographer"... and so if the camera was missing, that would immediately point to her. So she did her level best to delete and destroy the images and the camera.

:dunno: but it is a good theory IMO and if you are the originator, :highfive: and :tyou:

This reminds me of a question I had--do we know if she used detergent and/or bleach in the laundry that she did?

Heather Conner, CSI, testified that the towel in the same load with the camera was damaged by bleach.

This happened on Trial Day 2, cued to the testimony: http://youtu.be/Cpcc37rmk4A?t=1h28m15s

 

[OldCarGal]

Camera in washer? Jodi was a "photographer". Camera turns up missing they would have busted her for theft of it also. So, soak it in water. Dumb move.

When will there be a funny video of JW on youtube? I can't wait. jmo

I would like to see a video of all JW's smirks, laughs and sound effects. That Hhhmmmppff was quite telling on Thursday

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

I was lurking and had to log in to ask did she really take cash from him? She is really a piece of work. :facepalm:

Welcome!

I think she did because on cross, Juanderful went through her finances for the trip and based on the money in her accounts and how much she withdrew and how much she spent, she wouldn't have had much money left to continue her trip.

But Travis always had money and since she's stolen from him in the past and murdered him, seems she wouldn't be above taking money from his wallet.

But that was seriously my opinion and I should have qualified that statement.

Sorry everyone.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't know who that smart poster is either, but I do recall hearing that theory several times. There had to have been a precipitant event in my mind as well.

I've always been of the opinion that it must have been something that struck to close to the carefully-constructed image Jodi was trying to present. Narcissists can go into a rage, particularly when their artificial "self" comes under challenge or someone threatens to expose the facade as a lie. They will sometimes see that threat in life or death terms, given that they identify their physical existence with the false persona they project to others.

Travis might very well have threatened to reveal something about her to others involving theft of money, perhaps of property like the ring, or something else that we know nothing about and never will unless she admits it (and at this point, I won't believe anything she says without corroboration.) I could see that sending her into a blind narcissistic rage. She may well have been seething for some time, but those last phone calls on May 26th were the coup-de-gras in my view. He might have discovered something important missing -- it could have been the ring. He might have confronted her about it that night and told her they were through.

One thing though -- I don't think he knew she was coming. If the precipitant cause was the ring, she was certainly devious enough to consider bringing it with her and putting it somewhere in the house, so that in the event Travis had actually "outed" her as a thief, she would be able to point to its eventual discovery and say, "see, I didn't take it." That might have been another support for her "alibi" in her own mind -- she knew very well that his friends were going to point the finger straight at her, so every little bit of evidence she could use to dispel their stories about her would have been useful to her.

I can't see that she would have gone to all of the trouble of the rental car, gas cans, hair dye, no cell records in AZ, just to hope that Travis wouldn't mention to someone that she was coming. She could not have taken that chance given what she had in mind. She thought she would get away with killing him.

:cow:

This makes perfect sense. So WHY couldn't, why didn't, JM introduce this evidence early on?!!!

 

[Boodles]

IMO it has not been proven that JA died her hair on the way to Mesa. It has certainly been implied, but I personally don't see proof. I think the defense did a good job casting doubt by showing recent pix of JA with brown hair.

But I still don't question the planning and pre-meditation.

The one thing that's driving me crazy is not why she put the camera in the washer or whether TA knew she was coming, etc. The thing I want to know is what TA was referring to in his email/IM message about why he was so angry.

Why isn't this being shared in this trial??? It seems to be a pivotal point in the relationship, and perhaps the thing that prompted JA to kill him for fear he would expose her about it. What did she do? I wish this mystery would be revealed.

 

[leebee52]

I think of the things, related to Jodi specifically, that we have seen entered into evidence and then compare it to those things we have heard from friends and family and realize the answer is we have seen very little of the Jodi specific evidence brought into this courtroom. This I place on the judge ruling on the basis of prejudice. JMO

As to being in the middle, well there is Doc Samuels with his 35 years and somewhat questionable ethics, versus Doc DeMarte with less than a decade but with ethics present and accounted for. For myself, the choice as an evaluator is quite simple.

I said basically the same thing. And that is what is so wrong with the justice system. It should be the facts, all the facts and a whole lot less fairy tales.

 

[TartLemon]

Plus she has to add it was her car registration the Ninjas found in her purse (her address on her drivers license is a P.O. Box!)

Moot point, but what car registration? Jodi did not own a car to register.

 

[deedee21]

The bottom line on the camera is this....regardless of why it was in the washer to begin with, everyone KNOWS it was JA who put it there and it was JA who killed TA. Deleting pics is obviously a way to get rid of something. JA admitted to getting rid of the murder tools, except for the knife but again, obvious she was attempting to get rid of evidence. The recovered pictures from the memory card tells it all regardless of what JA says. I think JA was in a big rush to get out of TA's house for whatever reason. She might have heard a noise and panicked. Who knows.

She told Inside Edition she feels bad for leaving Travis behind for 2 people to SLAUGHTER. Noone who kills in self defense would ever use the word SLAUGHTER.

 

[Ranchgirl]

Dr. D was coached to say the results would be invalid period. Very obvious. The jury knows she is on the take.

I disagree. Knowing someone with PTSD..this is true. The smells, sounds, colors, movement, etc provoke the triggers. In other words, the color or sound of lion and bear are different so seeing the color of a lion or lion roar would bring out the PTSD behaviors where the color or sound similar to a bear would not. So stranger vs Tavis attack would also bring different triggers. Talk to someone with PTSD...triggers are very specific to event.

 

[Sleuth5]

Why would DB not want his face filmed?

Perhaps he would like to date again in this lifetime.

 

[Jane Jetson]

yes yes and yes and probably threw in some arts and craft time too.

I hope it's o. k. if I say this - if not, please delete - but I think there's a good possibility that she did not do 44 hours of interview time with JA. Moo.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think of the things, related to Jodi specifically, that we have seen entered into evidence and then compare it to those things we have heard from friends and family and realize the answer is we have seen very little of the Jodi specific evidence brought into this courtroom. This I place on the judge ruling on the basis of prejudice. JMO

As to being in the middle, well there is Doc Samuels with his 35 years and somewhat questionable ethics, versus Doc DeMarte with less than a decade but with ethics present and accounted for. For myself, the choice as an evaluator is quite simple.

No question! I was not in the middle of the evaluators. I was in the middle of the two sleuthers opinions. ALV and RS were a joke to me. IMO. If I were the prosecutor and the judge kept overruling me, and keeping my evidence out, I would fight her every minute of every day. She is just wrong! And again, how do you sentence someone to death if you don't have all the evidence? Juan has it but the jurors do not. We have seen and heard so much that they have not.

 

[leebee52]

She told Inside Edition she feels bad for leaving Travis behind for 2 people to SLAUGHTER. Noone who kills in self defense would ever use the word SLAUGHTER.

Except JA who uses all kinds of verbiage that the rest of us normally don't use.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

I would like to see a video of all JW's smirks, laughs and sound effects. That Hhhmmmppff was quite telling on Thursday

When she's showing us how ridiculous she thinks a statement is, she waves her arms around so much I sometimes think she's going to take flight.