What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[freespeech]

It's possible someone could have erased the message after Rebecca's body was found, also.

After reviewing THM timeline I wondered the same thing.

Jonah allegedly left her an upsetting voice mail message at 12:30AM but she did not allegedly retrieve it until 20 minutes later at 12:50AM at which time she allegedly erased it.

It seems that if she were upset about the contents she would have called or text Jonah back after retrieving it or if she was upset about the message and didn't was to respond to him it seems that she would have called or text her sister. Since her sister was the last person to allegedly converse with her that night I would think she would call or text her if she felt suicidal.

 

[katydid23]

So why tell police it was about worsening condition?

Maybe because it was partially about the worsening condition and also about his venting his anger. I could see him not wanting to share the private relationship stuff with LE. Especially if he felt badly after she was found dead.

 

[freespeech]

Thanks for the corrections to all of you. And thank you, Katydid, because you point out that no matter the sequence of events, it would not be uncommon for the relationship between RZ and JS to worsen as the severity of Max's accident became known. If anyone needed someone to blame..fairly or not...RZ was the only candidate.

A powerful CEO like RZ may not like to be proven wrong...especiallly to his ex-wife. Maybe he finds wives and lovers easily replacable....and the loss of his son while in the care of a girlfriend could be an insurmountable, maybe unforgivable situation to overcome.

If Max's accident was just that....an accident...how frustrating it would have been for RZ to be on the receiving end of blame. I bet she was knocking herself out to be useful to him. The cruelest thing of all would have been to have him dismiss her from his life with a voicemail. And how many girlfriends would figure they could restart a relationship with a man who blamed them for the loss of his son. Does not get more hopeless than that!

And just days ago, life had been perfect!

If the police know what JS said in the voicemail, that might be the lynchpin to declaring this a suicide. JS certainly has not set up any memorial charities for RZ, or has he? He has moved on.

I think anyone in RZ's position would be watching every action of her beloved, parsing every word...looking for reassurance. "Dina will kill me." because this happened while Max was in MY care..but what about JS? If he turned on her, her whole life would change...emotionally and financially. It would be back to office jobs and rent payments. She had no legal status . RZ would just be OUT.

I think she realized that her life with JS was probably over.

I have a hard time with this analysis for a couple of reasons.

The first and foremost question is where was Jonah and the older children at the time of Max's accident? This information has never been verified but could be if you know what I mean. However, this alleged 'trigger voice mail' will never be verified if you know what I mean. So why not release the proof that Jonah and the older kids were not there when Max was injured. I wonder what Rebecca's sister says about this.

Also, how did Rebecca pull off this elaborate suicide with no warning. Why did Adam and Nina come into town to support their siblings but then leave before Max's memorial service? Does that make any sense?

I still don't understand how Dina left the hospital for 12 hours on 7/12/11 from 8:00AM until 8PM. Max had the accident on 7/11/11 at about 10:00AM. She arrived at the hospital 4 hours later at 2:00PM. So she was at Max's bedside for 17 hours. She needed rest. Why didn't she shower and rest at the RM house. Why didn't Nina bring a change of clothes? Didn't Nina come in the day before to provide support? So what was Nina doing to provide support if they weren't spending that time together?

After Adam allegedly found Rebecca dead on 7/13/11 at about 6:48AM he text Jonah that she hung herself. Jonah then calls Dina who is at hospital 7:00AM to tell her Rebecca killed herself. The bizarre thing is that Jonah was also reportedly at the hospital at 7:00AM so why didn't he just tell her. Also he received a text from his brother that that his girlfriend's dead but he never calls his brother back.

Also, if Dina's at the hospital from 8:00PM until 7:00AM when Jonah arrives then where was Jonah all night and why wasn't his brother who came into town to support him there with him wherever he was? Also, why did Adam leave town before Max died if he was there to support his brother?

Did Adam and Nina attend Max's memorial service? This whole story from beginning to end is one of the most bizarre I've ever heard. Very little seems logical on the surface of things. MOO.

 

[jjenny]

The whole suicide scenario is extremely bizarre. Here is a young woman without history of suicidal behavior, apparently decided to kill herself in the most bizarre manner, after getting some voice mail.
Why tie feet? I understand suicidal people tie their hands to not try and save themselves, but why tie the feet? That makes no sense and serves no purpose. In fact it would be very hard to get over the railing with tied feet. Then instead of leaving a suicide note, she supposedly paints the most bizarre message, that doesn't make much sense. The noose was over her hair. Who puts a noose over hair? T-shirt was stuffed into her mouth. Why in the world do that? The only way to make this whole thing even more bizarre would have been a blind fold. The whole thing is bizarre from start to finish. How did she know to do all that? They didn't find anything on her computer related to suicide.

 

[katydid23]

I have a hard time with this analysis for a couple of reasons.

The first and foremost question is where was Jonah and the older children at the time of Max's accident? This information has never been verified but could be if you know what I mean. However, this alleged 'trigger voice mail' will never be verified if you know what I mean. So why not release the proof that Jonah and the older kids were not there when Max was injured. I wonder what Rebecca's sister says about this.

Also, how did Rebecca pull off this elaborate suicide with no warning. Why did Adam and Nina come into town to support their siblings but then leave before Max's memorial service? Does that make any sense?

I still don't understand how Dina left the hospital for 12 hours on 7/12/11 from 8:00AM until 8PM. Max had the accident on 7/11/11 at about 10:00AM. She arrived at the hospital 4 hours later at 2:00PM. So she was at Max's bedside for 17 hours. She needed rest. Why didn't she shower and rest at the RM house. Why didn't Nina bring a change of clothes? Didn't Nina come in the day before to provide support? So what was Nina doing to provide support if they weren't spending that time together?

After Adam allegedly found Rebecca dead on 7/13/11 at about 6:48AM he text Jonah that she hung herself. Jonah then calls Dina who is at hospital 7:00AM to tell her Rebecca killed herself. The bizarre thing is that Jonah was also reportedly at the hospital at 7:00AM so why didn't he just tell her. Also he received a text from his brother that that his girlfriend's dead but he never calls his brother back.

Also, if Dina's at the hospital from 8:00PM until 7:00AM when Jonah arrives then where was Jonah all night and why wasn't his brother who came into town to support him there with him wherever he was? Also, why did Adam leave town before Max died if he was there to support his brother?

Did Adam and Nina attend Max's memorial service? This whole story from beginning to end is one of the most bizarre I've ever heard. Very little seems logical on the surface of things. MOO.

BBM

Why would anyone need to release any 'proof' of where anyone else was during Maxie's accident? There has never been any question about who was there according to LE. The EMT's were apparently 2 minutes away. Is it now being said that Jonah drove away a minute before the ambulances arrived?

Are people seriously accusing Jonah of being involved in his son's death?

 

[freespeech]

The whole suicide scenario is extremely bizarre. Here is a young woman without history of suicidal behavior, apparently decided to kill herself in the most bizarre manner, after getting some voice mail.
Why tie feet? I understand suicidal people tie their hands to not try and save themselves, but why tie the feet? That makes no sense and serves no purpose. In fact it would be very hard to get over the railing with tied feet. Then instead of leaving a suicide note, she supposedly paints the most bizarre message, that doesn't make much sense. The noose was over her hair. Who puts a noose over hair? T-shirt was stuffed into her mouth. Why in the world do that? The only way to make this whole thing even more bizarre would have been a blind fold. The whole thing is bizarre from start to finish. How did she know to do all that? They didn't find anything on her computer related to suicide.

The way the alleged suicide scenario allegedly went down would entail a previously known sane person who apparently had a history of successful coping skills to suddenly go insane and kill herself in a bizarre manner. Besides from all reports she was religious and believed suicide was a sin. She had normal discussions with her sister that night and was totally functional shuttling various people and pets all over the place. I just don't see her going berserko over a voice mail that we don't even know for sure happened as purported...doesn't add up in any logical way.

I truly think that some of the people who focus on this cause like myself are simply looking for some logical reasons for how this happened. Everything about it is bizarre. Even the way she was left naked and exposed for thirteen hours.

 

[freespeech]

BBM

Why would anyone need to release any 'proof' of where anyone else was during Maxie's accident? There has never been any question about who was there according to LE. The EMT's were apparently 2 minutes away. Is it now being said that Jonah drove away a minute before the ambulances arrived?

Are people seriously accusing Jonah of being involved in his son's death?

Because LE has been caught telling untruths and so has Jonah.

 

[freespeech]

The whole suicide scenario is extremely bizarre. Here is a young woman without history of suicidal behavior, apparently decided to kill herself in the most bizarre manner, after getting some voice mail.
Why tie feet? I understand suicidal people tie their hands to not try and save themselves, but why tie the feet? That makes no sense and serves no purpose. In fact it would be very hard to get over the railing with tied feet. Then instead of leaving a suicide note, she supposedly paints the most bizarre message, that doesn't make much sense. The noose was over her hair. Who puts a noose over hair? T-shirt was stuffed into her mouth. Why in the world do that? The only way to make this whole thing even more bizarre would have been a blind fold. The whole thing is bizarre from start to finish. How did she know to do all that? They didn't find anything on her computer related to suicide.

The way the alleged suicide scenario allegedly went down would entail a previously known sane person who apparently had a history of successful coping skills to suddenly go insane and kill herself in a bizarre manner. Besides from all reports she was religious and believed suicide was a sin. She had normal discussions with her sister that night and was totally functional shuttling various people and pets all over the place. I just don't see her going berserko over a voice mail that we don't even know for sure happened as purported...doesn't add up in any logical way.

I truly think that some of the people who focus on this cause like myself are simply looking for some logical reasons for how this happened. Everything about it is bizarre. Even the way she was left naked and exposed for thirteen hours.

 

[katydid23]

The way the alleged suicide scenario allegedly went down would entail a previously known sane person who apparently had a history of successful coping skills to suddenly go insane and kill herself in a bizarre manner. Besides from all reports she was religious and believed suicide was a sin. She had normal discussions with her sister that night and was totally functional shuttling various people and pets all over the place. I just don't see her going berserko over a voice mail that we don't even know for sure happened as purported...doesn't add up in any logical way.

I truly think that some of the people who focus on this cause like myself are simply looking for some logical reasons for how this happened. Everything about it is bizarre. Even the way she was left naked and exposed for thirteen hours.

I have a hard time accepting the 'religious' explanation for a reason not to kill herself because she was dating a married man and moved in with a man before marriage. So she was not all that strict in her religious practices,
imo.

As for the 'normal' conversations before the suicide, I have heard of that exact thing many times. That is one of the reasons many friends and family feel so upset/baffled/guilty afterwards. Many times they have conversations or interactions with their loved ones in which they felt the person seemed happy and upbeat and even discussed future plans. So it was shocking when the person is found hanging or shot.

Also, it is hard to use logic when discussing bizarre suicides and personal motives. It is not always a logical decision. Nor do we know how 'sane' RZ truly was. You say she had a 'history of successful coping skills', and yet she had a recent shoplifting arrest, which might show she was not coping so well, imo.

As to her being totally functional as she shuttled people about, maybe that was what helped her stay focused. She was being helpful and included in the family crisis. It might have been the sudden feeling of being shut out and cut off that triggered her suicidal ideation.

 

[katydid23]

Because LE has been caught telling untruths and so has Jonah.

Links?

 

[freespeech]

Links?

The articles on this are VERY old to this case.

L.E. stated that Adam PASSED the LDT. He did not. The results were INCONCLUSIVE.

Jonah stated that he sold his house but he had not.

I believe everyone already knows this but apparently now I'll have to dig them up. I'll get back to you later.

 

[freespeech]

Links?

The articles on this are VERY old to this case.

Also SGT. DAVE NEMENTH, SAN DIEGO SHERIFF`S OFFICE stated "The last outgoing call from Rebecca`s phone was found to be to her own voicemail at about 10 minutes to 1:00 in the morning. We know from the investigation that message that was left on her phone was to inform Rebecca of Max`s grave condition and imminent death. We also know that that was in contradiction to previous, more positive reports she had been receiving regarding his condition."


How did Sgt. Nemeth know what he claimed? Where's the message at? Where's his LINK?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/02/ddhln.01.html

According to the Daily Beast PR piece "...detectives found no evidence of another person in the room or on the balcony. No hint that Zahau was dragged, drugged, sexually assaulted, or strangled before she went over the balcony. The whereabouts, that night, of any obvious suspects have been verified. (Adam Shacknai was given a lie-detector test.) Jonah and Dina’s presence at the hospital was verified by surveillance tapes,... "


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html

Jonah indicated that he sold his house but he had not.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/shacknai-still-owns-spreckels-mansion

 

[katydid23]

The articles on this are VERY old to this case.



Jonah indicated that he sold his house but he had not.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/shacknai-still-owns-spreckels-mansion

Did Jonah really LIE about the house?

from the article you linked:
"... acknowleged that person is Jonah Shacknai, despite the announcement in October that he had sold the residence.

He had, but due to a prolonged escrow process, Shacknai, owner of the Arizona pharmaceuticals firm Medicis, still holds sway over the mansion, though a deal remains in place to transfer title to an investment group, 1043 Ocean Blvd. LLC.

Aurich told the commission Coronado resident Joe Pinsonneault, a developer, is among the group members.

The group has the right to remodel, market and sell the house while it remains in escrow. Aurich said that he has a prospect interested in the mansion who is onboard with the restoration proposal.

[So it does not seem like a lie at all. The property was in a long escrow process and was in the process of being sold during the remodeling process.]

And is that it? On possible mistruth? And that is it, but it makes some think he cannot be trusted to tell the truth about his son's death?

 

[katydid23]

The articles on this are VERY old to this case.

Also SGT. DAVE NEMENTH, SAN DIEGO SHERIFF`S OFFICE stated "The last outgoing call from Rebecca`s phone was found to be to her own voicemail at about 10 minutes to 1:00 in the morning. We know from the investigation that message that was left on her phone was to inform Rebecca of Max`s grave condition and imminent death. We also know that that was in contradiction to previous, more positive reports she had been receiving regarding his condition."


How did Sgt. Nemeth know what he claimed? Where's the message at? Where's his LINK?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/02/ddhln.01.html

According to the Daily Beast PR piece "...detectives found no evidence of another person in the room or on the balcony. No hint that Zahau was dragged, drugged, sexually assaulted, or strangled before she went over the balcony. The whereabouts, that night, of any obvious suspects have been verified. (Adam Shacknai was given a lie-detector test.) Jonah and Dina’s presence at the hospital was verified by surveillance tapes,... "


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html

Jonah indicated that he sold his house but he had not.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/shacknai-still-owns-spreckels-mansion

I must be dense but I do not see any evidence of LE LYING in these links. What lies are you accusing them of?

There has been confusion about whether DS was ever shown in surveillance that night. One person said it was just her cell that indicated where she was. But there are other statements. like the one you linked, that said otherwise.

I don't think we know which one is correct yet.

 

[katydid23]

Also, an inconclusive test is not the same thing as a FAILED test. So he did not fail his poly. Maybe that is what LE was trying to convey.

 

[freespeech]

I must be dense but I do not see any evidence of LE LYING in these links. What lies are you accusing them of?

There has been confusion about whether DS was ever shown in surveillance that night. One person said it was just her cell that indicated where she was. But there are other statements. like the one you linked, that said otherwise.

I don't think we know which one is correct yet.

Rebecca's cell phone records never showed an incoming call from Jonah at 12:30AM or an outgoing call to her voice mail at 12:50AM. If LE is telling the truth about this please show the LINK.

Also, why was LE broadcasting that all the potential POI were accounted for when they were not? Where is LE's proof that Dina was accounted?

Where is their proof about the alleged voice mail message from Jonah? Where is their scientific evidence to support their claims and speculations?

 

[stmarysmead]

How can anyone "link" to proof that LE has NOT lied ? Most of our information comes from statements by LE.

LE is the only entity that has seen all the evidence. I think the responsiblity is the OTHER WAY AROUND. If someone can prove that police are lying, then they need to step forward and prove that.

Both families think mistakes have been made but in each case, their "proof" is disputed by the other side.

Probably, this will deteriorate into an end result where DS and her supporters believe Max was murdered and RZ's family believe she was murdered...and both sides have to live with their unresolved tragedy AND the hostility and suspiscion of those who support the other side.

Very sad.

 

[stmarysmead]

I thought he asked them to re-investigate Rebecca's death?

http://www.examiner.com/article/jon...rnia-ag-to-reopen-rebecca-zahau-investigation

Thanks to Free Speech for posting an excellent timeline on another thread today. It states:

"Sept 6th – Jonah’s attorney Dan K. Webb sends a “cease and desist” letter to Anne Bremner, to stop making false public statements that ‘have the effect of severely damaging Jonah’s personal and business reputations’.

Sept 19th – Jonah Shacknai writes a letter to the CA Attorney General requesting a review of the findings that Zahau had killed herself."

This reinforces my feeling that the second letter was PR. In it he mentions both deaths. The first cease and desist letter is very telling as to where JS really stands.

 

[*Lash*]

Maybe because it was partially about the worsening condition and also about his venting his anger. I could see him not wanting to share the private relationship stuff with LE. Especially if he felt badly after she was found dead.

A statement from Cmdr. Mike Lawton of the Coronado Police Department.

MIKE LAWTON - Forward to July 14, Thursday, the day after Rebecca was found. Our investigators received the information from Rady Children's Hospital that Max's condition was worsening. Up until that point the information that we had from the hospital and family was that his condition was stable and that they were optimistic. This changed that dynamic. Our investigators responded immediately to Rady Children's Hospital to conduct an interview and we additionally photographed Maxfield at the hospital. Tragically as the sheriff indicated Maxfield did succumb to his injuries and passed away on Saturday, July 16.

SDSO 9/2 - http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

 

[Betty P]

Also, an inconclusive test is not the same thing as a FAILED test. So he did not fail his poly. Maybe that is what LE was trying to convey.

SOP in these situations is to request the person take another poly. In fact, the person who administered the test suggested he re-take it, but he was overruled by those higher up in the chain of command. Why? They just didn't think he needed to, they took him at his word that he was telling the truth.

That's highly unusual in an investigation of a suspicious death.