What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[Mrs. Holmes]

I think you mean JS not AS, but anywho, if Dina relieved him at 1 am where was she before that?

Good question.... exactly where are they both.... in the hours right after they learn their son is probably brain dead.... up until the 1AM at the hospital...

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

and this begs another question...

who is the only person that could know for certain that RZ is alone?

Does DS know that AS is staying in the guest house... that the dog is at the kennel... not likely.... does NR know... no but she does go and try.... but she fails to get in the house...

JS is the only one that knows RZ is alone and he wants to be alone with her to be able to ask her important questions about what happened to his son.... in those terrible hours just after he learns his son is likely brain dead....

Very normal reaction to want to question RZ alone.....and he can get in the door easily... can get close to RZ while she is nude or semi nude after a shower....

NR couldn't get in..... but JS could.... so could AS for that matter.... but maybe he already knows JS is alone with RZ in the mansion asking questions....

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

DS has her boyfriend to be consoled by... NR has the responsibilities of her own son... at the second summer home.. but JS.... is staying in hotels... and the only person that can give him answers he needs is RZ...

No one is expecting him to be anywhere... except DS to switch at the hospital...

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I would love to question Luber why he was in town..when was his ticket purchased... why exactly was he there... did he have a rental car.... and what was the conversation like at dinner... who took him back to the airport....

and NR the helpful sister... stayed in town... until MS was for certain gone.... maybe AS didn't want to stay at the mansion.... but why not stay in a hotel with his brother for the duration of the time.... just like NR did...?

 

[freespeech]

When is Anne Rule's book coming out?

BBM's - I think you are making pertinent points. This is just my perception, but I don't see Jonah being angry at Rebecca over Max's accident, but then again we don't know. I always thought he just considered this an unfortunate accident and didn't blame her. I think if he did, then Mary would know.

Maybe I missed something that proves otherwise, but it was not Jonah's idea to have Rebecca banned from seeing Max in the hospital. I think Jonah was either in distress or just couldn't cope with nay more and agreed. Also, it looks to me like the first day or day and a half, Jonah was basically forced to cover most of the time staying in the hospital for whatever reason. I'm sure he wanted to be at the hospital, but it looks on the surface like a grueling no sleep thing on top of grieving for Max and getting Rebecca to arrange all the guests rides and such. Could any of this have been to keep him from connecting more with Rebecca during a time that partners would connect? I sort of think so.

I dont' see any reason anyone would have to borrow Jonah's car. Wasn't Dina's BF at her house also? Plus, anytime we fly somewhere we automatically rent a car. Why wouldn't Nina have done so? It doesn't make sense given the situation and if there was no car available for her.

Time, you make pertinent points as well.

I hadn't realized before but you are correct that in the beginning it seemed that Jonah spent more time at the hospital than Dina. I suspect that Jonah may be better at coping than Dina in general but I can also see that Dina must have been devastated with worry about Max. That's not saying Jonah was not also worried just that people cope differently and depending on the situation.

Also, yes you are correct about Nina needing a car of her own. Why didn't she rent one? It seems that Rebecca was doing a lot of chauffeuring. That seems unusual now that you mention it. It was a crisis so why would the out of town people allow themselves to be a burden by needing to borrow someone's car? You are correct that it does not make sense.

You have raised some disturbing points. It will be interesting to see where these details lead us.

 

[freespeech]

Well, it could have been to get house keys and/or leave Jonah with no transportation? IDK

I have no idea why Nina wouldn't have rented a car in the first place.

Or Nina could have taken Jonah's car to place him at the scene.

I'm starting to feel a little silly with all my speculation now. The facts are so obscure as to almost make any scenario workable.

I really hope that AB has found something solid in the files she received because I am becoming weary of the lack of substantial information to work with here.

 

[freespeech]

When is Anne Rule's book coming out?

BBM's - I think you are making pertinent points. This is just my perception, but I don't see Jonah being angry at Rebecca over Max's accident, but then again we don't know. I always thought he just considered this an unfortunate accident and didn't blame her. I think if he did, then Mary would know.

Maybe I missed something that proves otherwise, but it was not Jonah's idea to have Rebecca banned from seeing Max in the hospital. I think Jonah was either in distress or just couldn't cope with nay more and agreed. Also, it looks to me like the first day or day and a half, Jonah was basically forced to cover most of the time staying in the hospital for whatever reason. I'm sure he wanted to be at the hospital, but it looks on the surface like a grueling no sleep thing on top of grieving for Max and getting Rebecca to arrange all the guests rides and such. Could any of this have been to keep him from connecting more with Rebecca during a time that partners would connect? I sort of think so.

I dont' see any reason anyone would have to borrow Jonah's car. Wasn't Dina's BF at her house also? Plus, anytime we fly somewhere we automatically rent a car. Why wouldn't Nina have done so? It doesn't make sense given the situation and if there was no car available for her.

Time, you make pertinent points as well.

I hadn't realized before but you are correct that in the beginning it seemed that Jonah spent more time at the hospital than Dina. I suspect that Jonah may be better at coping than Dina in general but I can also see that Dina must have been devastated with worry about Max. That's not saying Jonah was not also worried just that people cope differently and depending on the situation.

Also, yes you are correct about Nina needing a car of her own. Why didn't she rent one. It seems that Rebecca was doing a lot of chauffeuring. that seems unusual not that you mention it. It was a crisis so why would the out of town people allow themselves to be a burden by needing to borrow someone's car? Your correct that it does not make sense.

You have raised some disturbing points. It will be interesting to see where these details lead us.

 

[katydid23]

I believe Anne Rule's book is scheduled to come out in September. I know I saw an add somewhere that was taking pre-orders so I hope it doesn't sell out too quickly.

I believe another poster questioned why Nina drove Jonah's car home from the hospital that night instead of taking Dina's car. Dina's car remained at the hospital with her cell phone and sister Nina to alibi her, imo.

So if Nina switched places with Dina then Dina drove Jonah's car home, text Rebecca from her house on Nina's phone and walked over to the house. The witness was certain they saw Dina and not Nina. Nina is the only person who placed herself at the house that night.

If Dina had Jonah's car keys and if Jonah's house keys were attached to the car keys then Dina would have had access to the house and it's contents including the computer and Rebecca.

I do think there was pre-planning but I don't have any theories on how/what that would have been.

So you think Jonah, Dina, Nina and Adam did all of this intricate planning, while little Maxie was on his death bed? Did they meet up at Ronald McDonald house to plan this murder? Or did they plan it in Maxies ICU room? They decided to trade cars around and switch house keys and dress up as each other and walk to and from the mansion at night? Was Adam watching on his phone right before finding the body part of the game plan?

 

[K_Z]

I will add my 2 cents worth that I have also found it very odd that family & friends of relative means had so many people who came to town during a family crisis and didn't rent cars. That's a strange set of circumstances, IMO. A modest car rental for a week was only about $300-- less for a few days.

Same with the (rather needy) cleaning condition of the mansion-- a good housekeeping and caretending service was certainly within the means of Jonah Shacknai.

 

[K_Z]

Was Adam watching on his phone right before finding the body part of the game plan?

Well, gosh-olly, imo, that sure was a strange and startling little bit of TMI information/ alibi!

I guess it's a possibility that Adam got "roped" into this whole situation. Maybe not willingly. IMO.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I will add my 2 cents worth that I have also found it very odd that family & friends of relative means had so many people who came to town during a family crisis and didn't rent cars. That's a strange set of circumstances, IMO. A modest car rental for a week was only about $300-- less for a few days.

Same with the (rather needy) cleaning condition of the mansion-- a good housekeeping and caretending service was certainly within the means of Jonah Shacknai.

I am not sure that NR is a family with any extra money. I have a house, a car and a fulltime job... but when I fly to visit family even in a crisis/death...someone picks me up and I use their vehichles when I get there as necessary. Each of my families has two cars in the driveway. No need to bring another one to sort out where to park it.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Well, gosh-olly, imo, that sure was a strange and startling little bit of TMI information/ alibi!

I guess it's a possibility that Adam got "roped" into this whole situation. Maybe not willingly. IMO.

LOL... who is Adam most loyal too? Who could "rope" him in? JS in my opinion. Unless AS and DS have a secret romance... then JS would likely have the most power over AS.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

The scream and the loud music..... I wonder how/if they fit in.... I wonder what room a stereo system would have been in? Small devices can make alot of noise these days..

If the loud music was from the mansion.... for what purpose... RZ trying to get someone's attention.. during an interrogation/attack? The scream would make sense..
and it fits with RZ having a shirt stuck in her mouth..... the scream did not continue... someone stopped it with the shirt?

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

oh and apparently DS and NR were very aware RZ knew jujitsu.... so sneaking into the mansion to harm her.... would have been very risky.... the dog could have been there, AS could have been there, JS could have been there..... did they even know RZ's sister was there still or not?

so again only JS would have those answers.. and that means he knew RZ was alone andhe neede answers from her.

and RZ not having any clothes on during the attack... if AS suddenly walked in on her showering.. that would cause RZ to scream....

was the loud music turned on while AS and JS argued or when JS and RZ argued?

so... what came first the scream or the music....

 

[time]

I am not sure that NR is a family with any extra money. I have a house, a car and a fulltime job... but when I fly to visit family even in a crisis/death...someone picks me up and I use their vehichles when I get there as necessary. Each of my families has two cars in the driveway. No need to bring another one to sort out where to park it.

I believe the airport is only 15 minutes from Rady's, but I could be wrong. I bet shuttles go to Radys all the time.

 

[katydid23]

Well, gosh-olly, imo, that sure was a strange and startling little bit of TMI information/ alibi!

I guess it's a possibility that Adam got "roped" into this whole situation. Maybe not willingly. IMO.

Well, think about this part. If Adam was part of this family conspiracy, and knew that he was going to be the one to walk out of his door and find a dead woman, then why would he be on his cell watching just moments before the 'discovery'? Does that make any sense at all? He would know that LE was going to be all over him once he found the body.

 

[freespeech]

So you think Jonah, Dina, Nina and Adam did all of this intricate planning, while little Maxie was on his death bed? Did they meet up at Ronald McDonald house to plan this murder? Or did they plan it in Maxies ICU room? They decided to trade cars around and switch house keys and dress up as each other and walk to and from the mansion at night? Was Adam watching on his phone right before finding the body part of the game plan?

Kadydid, I don't know who murdered Rebecca. However, I do believe she was murdered. I believe that her autopsy report had more indicators for death by strangulation vs hanging. Cyril Wecth also strongly leaned toward the cause of death as murder as opposed to suicide. Also, the police investigation should have included a psychological autopsy as well as an investigation of Max's parents as they had the most motive to murder her. At the very least her death should be reclassified to undetermined though it appears to have been a homicide.

On the other hand I don't know if Max was harmed by someone or not but I tend to believe that he had a freak accident. Max's body is not available for a second autopsy and the first autopsy seems to support Lucas' conclusions. However, Lucas' autopsy on Rebecca is more indicative of death by strangulation vs hanging. That was determined by Cyril Wecth and I agree with his evaluation.

I wonder if Max's accident was a motive for Rebecca's murder. Usually the police look at the victim's close associates for someone with a possible motive. However, the police did not appear to do that in this case. In this case I would tend to put Jonah and Dina at the top of the list of possible suspects. Nina and Adam were there to support their siblings. The media reports didn't tell to much about them or how they felt most especially Adam.

I do believe that Jonah, Dina, Nina and Adam should have been fingerprinted and alibis should have been substantiated with hard evidence. I believe they all should have been given LDT starting with Adam and Nina who put themselves at the scene of the crime. I also believe that corroborating evidence from eye and ear witness in the neighborhood should not have been discounted and rejected as it was.

I believe that the police here did a selective investigation to support a conclusion of suicide and cherry picked evidence, witnesses, and alibis. I blame Gore for this because he was in charge. I also believe that there was a travesty of justice done and that the Zahaus and the public deserve a fair and impartial investigation of Rebecca's apparent violent murder.

Jonah was on the right track when he asked for a review of the police investigation. If that would have been granted then maybe this case would have been put to rest. I hope KH investigates both cases. The families and the public deserve answers.

 

[freespeech]

Well, think about this part. If Adam was part of this family conspiracy, and knew that he was going to be the one to walk out of his door and find a dead woman, then why would he be on his cell watching just moments before the 'discovery'? Does that make any sense at all? He would know that LE was going to be all over him once he found the body.

Did Adam ever disclose what he did all night, specifically during the hours that Rebecca may have been murdered?

Adam disclosed that he watched at 6:00 a.m. prior to finding Rebecca's body but what did he do for the 10 hours before he found her from 8:00 p.m. on 7/12 through 6:00 a.m. 7/13? Why didn't he remain at the hospital with Jonah? Why did he return to the house alone with Rebecca? What did he do to support his brother and help with the crisis?

 

[freespeech]

I believe the airport is only 15 minutes from Rady's, but I could be wrong. I bet shuttles go to Radys all the time.

Jonah has money. Did he have two cars? Did he let Nina use his car? When did he give her the keys? Were his house keys on the same key ring? Why didn't Nina take Dina's car if Dina was really at the hospital all night?

 

[freespeech]

oh and apparently DS and NR were very aware RZ knew jujitsu.... so sneaking into the mansion to harm her.... would have been very risky.... the dog could have been there, AS could have been there, JS could have been there..... did they even know RZ's sister was there still or not?

so again only JS would have those answers.. and that means he knew RZ was alone andhe neede answers from her.

and RZ not having any clothes on during the attack... if AS suddenly walked in on her showering.. that would cause RZ to scream....

was the loud music turned on while AS and JS argued or when JS and RZ argued?

so... what came first the scream or the music....

Does anyone recall Nina telling whose car she drove home from the hospital? Was that in the interview she gave? TIA.