What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

[cypress]

re: the 911 calls

A log of the calls revealed the first report came in at 5:18 p.m. and lasted 13 minutes. Dispatchers said the caller reported threats made inside the family's home in Multnomah County.

The second 911 call was made from the home at 11:39 p.m., and was recorded by dispatchers as a child custody issue.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/97550009.html

 

[tehcloser]

re: the 911 calls

A log of the calls revealed the first report came in at 5:18 p.m. and lasted 13 minutes. Dispatchers said the caller reported threats made inside the family's home in Multnomah County.

The second 911 call was made from the home at 11:39 p.m., and was recorded by dispatchers as a child custody issue.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/97550009.html

Ooooo...conflicting media articles. I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked! :banghead:

 

[CN2Souls]

I believe she is a person with many abandonment issues. I believe she has a heart for children, which is why she had become a teacher.
Teaching is not a Job someone would go into if he or she were narcissistic. This is a giving job with little thanks, does not pay much, and non-attention seeking.

However, I believe she is a perfectionist who feels only being 100% perfect she will receive the love that she longs for
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She may have a hard time feeling loved and acceptance by people because of past issues and there for pushes people away, doing and being anything that she thinks they want her to be to attain their love.

She maybe vulnerable to people and will do just about anything they ask in order to receive and keep their love. Maybe seeking love from other sources, that are not so upstanding.

As far as the LS goes, most women who want to kill their husband for alleged affairs, Do it with their own bare hands.

Therefore, I believe, she is not guilty and being used and Framed.

 

[Paintr]

SBM

To this day, there are people who completely believe that Elizabeth Smart's father and/or uncle were responsible for her abduction. They refuse to believe her testimony or Wanda Barzee's admission of guilt (Brian Mitchell has yet to come to trial). They made their decision before she was found and nothing that has happened has been enough to shake their inner certainty.

In a way, I kind of admire that. My own inner certainty is never that solid and there are times when my life would be easier for me if it were.

I know what you are saying. It would make life easier.

But I just can't understand. We process info and make a decision. If new info comes along or if our original info proves to be unreliable, then it is just bullheaded and close minded to refuse to even consider a change of decision. :waitasec:

 

[cypress]

Ooooo...conflicting media articles. I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked! :banghead:

Yeah, but if you look at scanner information, the scanner information supports the 5:18 and 11:39 call times.

The 5:18 call was about the now infamous landscaper, and the 11:39 call was about baby K.

 

[Justin Tyme]

From that link, they said the first call was about some guy in a truck threatening her....so, either there were 3 calls or none was about custody.

From link:

KATU cited sources as saying that was the second call of the day. The first came minutes earlier to report that someone in a truck was threatening her.


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051

Here's my thoughts on this. First off was the guy in the truck threatening her before OR after the law was involved in the story. Was he doing this on his own? Also, has anyone considered that perhaps the arrangement was for him to take or kill Kyron and he changed the story that he was asked to kill the father as not to implicated himself in Kyron's disappearance? He knew that the law was already going to look at him so he changed the story of who he was hired to kill. If this is true that Terri tried to hire him for the purpose of a killing I think that she'd remain mute. From what I've read thus far, seems he told the law that she had also offered herself up...know what I mean and maybe since she didn't, could he have been PO'd enough to take and harm Kyron on his own accord as a way for payback to Terri. Just thoughts to ponder. It would be interesting to find out where and who she might have been with from the time she left the school until she returned home that day that Kyron came up missing.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

re: the 911 calls

A log of the calls revealed the first report came in at 5:18 p.m. and lasted 13 minutes. Dispatchers said the caller reported threats made inside the family's home in Multnomah County.

The second 911 call was made from the home at 11:39 p.m., and was recorded by dispatchers as a child custody issue.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/97550009.html

My guess is this is correct, but then where did GMA get there info and why are they passing it off as fact???

Perhaps we've reached a breaking point in our "information superhighway."

 

[Paintr]

My guess is this is correct, but then where did GMA get there info and why are they passing it off as fact???

Perhaps we've reached a breaking point in our "information superhighway."

I know that I an heartly sick of news reports based on 'sources' that are supposed to have some magic insider info. What happened to if you don't want to be quoted then don't offer an opinion or secret info. If they want to publish rumor and conjecture then label it as such.:banghead::banghead:

 

[Astrella613]

The fact is that Terri is innocent until proven guilty. She shouldn't be getting "tried" in the media. That's not fair at all. My main concern however is still with bringing Kyron home.

 

[mrsjonnob]

It is entirely possible that Kaine paid the landscape guy to claim Terri inquired about a hit. It is possible Kaine is a control freak who is settig up Terri in a carefully thought out plan to remove Terri from the picture while portraying himself as a victim. It is possible Terri has been emotionally abused and manipulated for years- and now her entire world is crumbling becuse she knows she is the focus of the investigation- her step son is missing, her husband and baby left and there is nothing she can do about it. Even while what little evidence there is is circumstancial, it is pretty damning. It took her 3 weeks to lawyer up- she didn't even do that until KH left with the baby! That isn't the behavior of a woman who was plotting the demise of her husband and step son.
JMO

 

[twzzlrgirl]

It is entirely possible that Kaine paid the landscape guy to claim Terri inquired about a hit. It is possible Kaine is a control freak who is settig up Terri in a carefully thought out plan to remove Terri from the picture while portraying himself as a victim. It is possible Terri has been emotionally abused and manipulated for years- and now her entire world is crumbling becuse she knows she is the focus of the investigation- her step son is missing, her husband and baby left and there is nothing she can do about it. Even while what little evidence there is is circumstancial, it is pretty damning. It took her 3 weeks to lawyer up- she didn't even do that until KH left with the baby! That isn't the behavior of a woman who was plotting the demise of her husband and step son.
JMO

Adding to this: what better way for Kaine to get both kids and not have to pay a dime in child or spousal support. What judge is going to suggest that he pay a woman who "wanted him killed."

I'm just thinking out loud here: it seems that Kaine could be the one who (in two different ways) got both kids out of the house. Kyron is "snatched" and the baby is taken for "safety reasons." Hmmmm.....

Kaine could even be the one posting on her facebook page and on internet blogs. Not too difficult with the internet as your cover.

MOO -- I'm not now suggesting that Kaine did it. I'm just adding to the theory and beginning to wonder more and more about the reporting we've heard so far (and I'm using "reporting" extremely loosely).

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Adding to this: what better way for Kaine to get both kids and not have to pay a dime in child or spousal support. What judge is going to suggest that he pay a woman who "wanted him killed."

I'm just thinking out loud here: it seems that Kaine could be the one who (in two different ways) got both kids out of the house. Kyron is "snatched" and the baby is taken for "safety reasons." Hmmmm.....

Short term marriage = short term alimony, if any

2 kids = cost of raising kids paid by KH whether directly (he has custody) or indirectly (child support).

= risk too high for a reasonable, intelligent person to take, compared to benefits, if any.

 

[TXHOPE]

This may of been posted on another thread but did anyone else see the HLN preview a little bit ago for tonight's Nancy Grace? It said Nancy Grace would have the 911 calls tonight. I'm anxious to hear Terri's voice in all of this.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

The fact is that Terri is innocent until proven guilty.

That means she is legally innocent (or not guilty) until proven legally guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, by the government, in a court of law.

It is not the same as being factually innocent or guilty.

One can have the status of being factually innocent and legally innocent at the same time. (tried & found not guilty)

One can have the status of being factually innocent and legally guilty at the same time. (wrongfully convicted)

One can be factually guilty and legally innocent (not guilty) at the same time. (govt didn't prove its case)

One can have the status of being factually guilty and legally guilty at the same time. (convicted)

When a defendant pleads not guilty it means he is holding the govt to its burden of proving his guilt. He is not saying he is factually innocent.

Injured rt hand so can't use it to type to make post clearer or better written.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Short term marriage = short term alimony, if any

2 kids = cost of raising kids paid by KH whether directly (he has custody) or indirectly (child support).

= risk too high for a reasonable, intelligent person to take, compared to benefits, if any.

This is very true, money-wise. Perhaps he had another reason, though, for not wanting Terri in the picture, but getting both kids?

Again, MOO....just thinking out loud here. I'm so confused by this case already that my head is spinning.

 

[x_files]

It is entirely possible that Kaine paid the landscape guy to claim Terri inquired about a hit. It is possible Kaine is a control freak who is settig up Terri in a carefully thought out plan to remove Terri from the picture while portraying himself as a victim. It is possible Terri has been emotionally abused and manipulated for years- and now her entire world is crumbling becuse she knows she is the focus of the investigation- her step son is missing, her husband and baby left and there is nothing she can do about it. Even while what little evidence there is is circumstancial, it is pretty damning. It took her 3 weeks to lawyer up- she didn't even do that until KH left with the baby! That isn't the behavior of a woman who was plotting the demise of her husband and step son.
JMO

Thanks for posting this because until there is evidence it is worthwhile investigating all parties close to Kyron who had the opportunity or motive.
TH's behavior is odd but so is KH's. MOO
I like to sleuth and come up with theories, but I hope LE will follow hard facts and evidence to find who took Kyron. Otherwise it is just a witch hunt, and the real perp walks.

 

[Wrinkles]

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It was only after Kaine left, filed for divorce, a RO, and took her daughter, that she retained counsel.
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After multiple polygraphs, after long interviews with LE, after responding online to comments in varying forums, after no trespassing signs, after a sting operation, and God only knows "after" what else, not to mention the probable urging of friends to do so, did she retain counsel.

EDITED:
Per Cluciano's mention:
>>As far as Terri being innocent, well she is, until proven otherwise.<<

That would be in a court of law, but not necessarily in reality.

 

[The_Flashlight]

I think she was waiting until she had to get a lawyer.

 

[sarah7855]

It is entirely possible that Kaine paid the landscape guy to claim Terri inquired about a hit. It is possible Kaine is a control freak who is settig up Terri in a carefully thought out plan to remove Terri from the picture while portraying himself as a victim. It is possible Terri has been emotionally abused and manipulated for years- and now her entire world is crumbling becuse she knows she is the focus of the investigation- her step son is missing, her husband and baby left and there is nothing she can do about it. Even while what little evidence there is is circumstancial, it is pretty damning. It took her 3 weeks to lawyer up- she didn't even do that until KH left with the baby! That isn't the behavior of a woman who was plotting the demise of her husband and step son.
JMO

It is entirely possible that Kaine has done all this; at this point, anything is still possible. However, if Terri is being set up like this (framed, really), then why isn't she screaming her innocence from the rooftops? why isn't she putting up any fight for Baby K? it just doesn't make sense. She has a lawyer now, you'd think there would be some statement of "my client denies all the recent allegations" or whatever fancy stuff lawyers say that basically means "she didn't do it". But there's nothing. And, going back to June 4th here, according to LE, Terri wasn't where she said she was that day. So if Kaine is setting her up in some elaborate scheme, he sure picked the right day to do it, on a day where Terri's whereabouts would come into question after the fact. JMO.

 

[Astrella613]

She hasn't even been charged with anything yet!