What Physical Evidence does LE or FBI have...

[sorrell skye]

Do you think that LE or the FBI have collected any physical evidence in this case and what do you think it might be and where do you think it could have been found?

sbm

I think that if the cell phone pings on Sauvie Island are true, and if the recent statements made by TH's father to People magazine are accurate (LE has taken her truck twice) then it's possible LE is waiting for lab results of whatever potential evidence they may have collected from the truck - such as soil/dust/vegetation samples, to determine if they match the soil/dust/vegetation from Sauvie Island.

ETA: Also wanted to add that LE may be interviewing potential witnesses that may have seen Kyron and/or who Kyron may have been with after he left the school grounds the day he disappeared. IOW - LE may be taking sworn affidavits from people in the community.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not aware that LE have called off the search for Kyron. I thought they have only cut back on their search for him...am I wrong?

I also think dirt, vegetation from tires, etc would be other possible evidences collected but, would that be from the Horman vehicles and can that be collected without a search warrant?

They basically called off the search when they sent searchers home and said they would be searching based on new tips as they came in. And if they had found the glasses at SI, for instance, I feel as though they would still be searching out there and I have not heard that they are. Anyway I do not feel they found his glasses.

As far as backpack, that was only mentioned, as far as I know, by TM's mother in a very early article, which may or may not be factual.

 

[sorrell skye]

I also think LE may be analyzing video footage from June 3rd & 4th which they requested from the surveillance cameras.

 

[SunsetHeel]

I agree the photo of the eyeglasses looked "not new" but the explanation that occurred to me at the time was simple. This is a seven year old that spends time in two households, hours apart. Each household has a copy of the glasses. Accidents can happen all the time with small children and their glasses. Traveling with glasses and rough housing with older siblings or even toddlers with wandering hands can cause glasses to come to grief. I always had extra copy of glasses and contact lenses, even when my son was a teenager. I just assumed that the glasses were given to law enforcement by the family.

 

[txsvicki]

They could have even been a pair of Kyron's old glasses. The glasses he wore in the singing & whistling video looked different than the ones in latest pic of him to me. They looked bigger and like they were slipping down on his nose.

 

[T-Rex]

"They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, 'The Red-Eyed Tree Frog.' "

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

 

[Nellie]

I think the glasses statement is irrelevant.

I felt another take on his glasses were that if he has been abducted and they took his glasses away from him to change his look. It gives us clues that he would have a hard time seeing - perhaps if you saw a little boy who resembled him without glasses.

 

[cluciano63]

"They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, 'The Red-Eyed Tree Frog.' "

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

This was according to Terri's mother, wasn't it? It is the only mention I have seen of the backpack, other than rumors, and we have no way of knowing if this is true, since she was apparently not there.

I think physical evidence in this case is probably zero. If LE felt they had lots of circumstantial evidence and some physical evidence, they might have made an arrest.

 

[2goldfish]

yes, kids with low vision pay ridiculously close attention to things and people that are right in front of them. Because often, if nearsighted, they cannot focus on things beyond a certain distance, so all their focus goes to that right in front of them.
This with heightened other senses also helps.

ot :blushing: but I love the pic in your sig, hadn't seen that one before. what a cutie, huh?

 

[kgeaux]

"They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, 'The Red-Eyed Tree Frog.' "

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

Thank you! I knew people had to have read it somewhere, but I couldn't find the link.

I am not surprised that Kyron brought his jacket and backpack to school that day, and also not surprised the teacher did not note their presence (if indeed she didn't notice the items) given the fact that there are hooks along the wall to stow such things.

Regardless of the source, which appears to be SM's mother, I am really inclined to believe the jacket and bookpack were at the school that day.

 

[miabellamoure]

This was according to Terri's mother, wasn't it? It is the only mention I have seen of the backpack, other than rumors, and we have no way of knowing if this is true, since she was apparently not there.

I think physical evidence in this case is probably zero. If LE felt they had lots of circumstantial evidence and some physical evidence, they might have made an arrest.

So are you saying you believe the backpack & jacket would not have been collected by LE as evidence? Even tho' they may not have any significance to the actual act of his disappearance...I would think LE would still have collected those items while the case is still ongoing.

I guess I should clarify, that I am not simply asking what evidence you feel LE or the FBI may have collected that is directly involved in any act against Kyron but, any and all evidence that they may have collected.

 

[scandi]

This falls under Direct Evidence but don't know what thread to write it on, so here goes ! Tr's words are Direct Evidence that LE has.

I listened to Tr's interview again yesterday and learned something new. Paraphrasing, T said he passed Kyron in the hallway as they had been looking at different projects. They spoke and Kyron told him he was going to see the 'cool' electric project. T then proceeded to go DOWN the stairs and said he never saw Kyron again. To me that means Kyron was upstairs as they 'passed' each other.

It hit me this morning that Kyron was on the second floor when he disappeared or when he was approached by someone who ended up taking him. It could have been soon after Terri dropped him off as T said he saw her leave and Kyron didn't go with her. That would work if she had temporarily parked the car at the East door entrance and they walked up to the second floor where his room was to take the picture. If T saw her she might have been walking away from Kyron's schoolroom around 8:45 or so, walking down that long hallway to go back to her car. And Kyron was starting to walk down that long hallway to go to the room with the electrical project when he passed T.

Makes perfect sense to me, and thanks to STEADFAST for clearing up the info about the East door and where she probably or could have parked for that short time. And it was actually Kore Harlan the KOIN reporter who told about them passing in the hallway in his intro to the segment. xox

 

[grandmaj]

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[scandi]

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Oops, Sorry GrandmaJ, I'll go fix that ;} I see you've already done that. Thanks

 

[JBean]

Just to clarify, cases are often fought and won with only circumstantial evidence.
Fingerprints are circumstantial
DNA is circumstantial
forensic evidence is circumstantial
Witness reporting seeing Kyron at school is circumstantial.


witness reporting they saw Kyron leave with someone and then that person coming back alone is also circumstantial.( think JVDS)

witness reporting they saw someone do something bad to Kyron is direct evidence.
a video of someone doing something to Kyron would also be direct evidence.


hope that helps.

 

[winterrose]

Interesting,if Kyron didn't have his glasses on,he'd not be able to ID anyone he was taken to very well.But,if his glasses were taken off him in the school from behind,he'd have to go with someone,because he couldn't see well enough to get anywhere.He'd just be led by whoever and from what his father said,he'd stay in bed until someone went to get him.Did the person who took him know all of this,an easy target,a child who wouldn't cause any problems.Someone who knew he'd be too afraid to wander away.

Or did someone he know take him to someone he couldn't ID?Desiree said she didn't think it would get to this point,like it wouldn't last this long,did they think someone was just holding him for a short time?

 

[twzzlrgirl]

IMO -- LE either has absolutely nothing (substantial) to go on OR they have a potential suspect and are simply waiting for verification to put out what they know.

Thought process: if they had evidence, but still didn't know who might have done this, wouldn't they put out every bit of info they had? With Kaleah Wilson, they put out her inhaler; with Shantina Smiley, they had pictures up everywhere of what they found on the beach, etc. Why keep literally everything a secret? IMO, it's one of the two choices I posted above. I pray it is the second and not the first.

 

[BeanE]

IMO -- LE either has absolutely nothing (substantial) to go on OR they have a potential suspect and are simply waiting for verification to put out what they know.

Thought process: if they had evidence, but still didn't know who might have done this, wouldn't they put out every bit of info they had? With Kaleah Wilson, they put out her inhaler; with Shantina Smiley, they had pictures up everywhere of what they found on the beach, etc. Why keep literally everything a secret? IMO, it's one of the two choices I posted above. I pray it is the second and not the first.

With Kayleah and Shantina, they put out pictures of personal belongings. Kayleah's inhaler she always had on her person; Shantina and her son's shoes, her son's inhaler, etc. They did the exact same thing with Kyron - his clothing as well as his glasses, which he always had on his person.

 

[scandi]

Just to clarify, cases are often fought and won with only circumstantial evidence.
Fingerprints are circumstantial
DNA is circumstantial
forensic evidence is circumstantial
Witness reporting seeing Kyron at school is circumstantial.


witness reporting they saw Kyron leave with someone and then that person coming back alone is also circumstantial.( think JVDS)

witness reporting they saw someone do something bad to Kyron is direct evidence.
a video of someone doing something to Kyron would also be direct evidence.


hope that helps.

Thanks Bean, It was worth it to write the post to learn something important like that ;} I always thought any witness account was Direct. xox

 

[kgeaux]

Just to clarify, cases are often fought and won with only circumstantial evidence.
Fingerprints are circumstantial
DNA is circumstantial
forensic evidence is circumstantial
Witness reporting seeing Kyron at school is circumstantial.


witness reporting they saw Kyron leave with someone and then that person coming back alone is also circumstantial.( think JVDS)

witness reporting they saw someone do something bad to Kyron is direct evidence.
a video of someone doing something to Kyron would also be direct evidence.


hope that helps.

I did not know that! I always thought fingerprints, DNA etc were physical evidence. I thought circumstantial evidence was something along the lines of being seen near a crime scene as it is occurring.