What The Hell Is Going On Here??????????

[Ames]

Also, Linda H-P said she changed JonBenet's sheets on the 23rd but also said the sheets on JonBenet's bed on the 26th were not the same as those fresh ones Pugh used on the 23rd. So, that sweater on the bed is interesting.

Very interesting indeed. AND ALSO the fact that John says that it belonged to Patsy...but PATSY says that it DIDN'T. Hmmmmm

 

[Ames]

I do believe Callan has left the building.

Since Callan is no longer online...we should accuse him/her of being too chicken to reply to our posts, the same way that he/she thinks that when we don't answer PRONTO...that we are avoiding the question. He/she apparently doesn't know what that little green light beside of our "hat" means.

 

[Squishified]

Since Callan is no longer online...we should accuse him/her of being too chicken to reply to our posts, the same way that he/she thinks that when we don't answer PRONTO...that we are avoiding the question. He/she apparently doesn't know what that little green light beside of our "hat" means.

Well, for all that it's worth, I just learned what the green dot was last week.

 

[trixie]

Oh don't you all know that the great Callan has come here to do us all a great favor and educate us, the
very uneducated and ignorant people who apparently tend to go into silly mode at the drop of a hat, on the Jonbenet Ramsey murder case? Honestly you just have to take people like that with a grain of salt. My guess is he/she has no friends eithor and I wonder why?

 

[BOESP]

Very interesting indeed. AND ALSO the fact that John says that it belonged to Patsy...but PATSY says that it DIDN'T. Hmmmmm

Well, camera angles fool the eye, but the sweater looks way too big for JonBenet. Of course, since JonBenet was 47" tall, she was fairly tall (almost four feet), maybe it is just a camera angle and it's her sweater.

I speculate (so as not to offend anyone) that the pillow is at the foot of the bed so JonBenet could watch videos.

I also read an old post here by either Rash or Jayelles that went something like this. Patsy said John carried JonBenet to bed, asleep, from the car. Patsy said that unless JonBenet "went to potty" she would likely have a wetting accident. Patsy said she didn't wake JonBenet when put to bed that night or at midnight like she often did as a preventive for bedwetting.

I can only conclude if all the above is true, JonBenet wet the bed that night. Of course, Burke says JonBenet was awake and walked up the stairs to bed along with Patsy.

Who is lying? :waitasec:

 

[Ames]

Well, for all that it's worth, I just learned what the green dot was last week.

LOL...it took me awhile to figure that out myself. I actually had a poster...can't remember who it was, to pm me and ask me what it was.

 

[BOESP]

Since Callan is no longer online...we should accuse him/her of being too chicken to reply to our posts, the same way that he/she thinks that when we don't answer PRONTO...that we are avoiding the question. He/she apparently doesn't know what that little green light beside of our "hat" means.

Maybe he/she thought it meant "go."

 

[Rino]

Maybe he/she thought it meant "go."

Bwhahahahaha....

 

[Ames]

Oh don't you all know that the great Callan has come here to do us all a great favor and educate us, the
very uneducated and ignorant people who apparently tend to go into silly mode at the drop of a hat, on the Jonbenet Ramsey murder case? Honestly you just have to take people like that with a grain of salt. My guess is he/she has no friends eithor and I wonder why?

I find it ironic that he/she tries to educate us on the JB case...when he/she has done, from what I can tell, absolutely no research on this case whatsoever. We know more than Callan does. I think that he/she just comes here, because as you say....he/she has no friends...and just wants to stir things up a bit. I don't take Callan too seriously...if I did, I would have reported him/her a LONG time ago. Almost every post of his/hers....has a cut down meant for me. LOL And I am sure that I will lose sleep over it tonight. :crazy:

 

[rashomon]

Right, so if we still cling on to your [and the others] therory that JonBenet was killed by her mother, because of bedwetting, then it was not an accident after all, it was premeditated. Is that right?

Think carefully now old friend. Don't do an Ames and make a fool of yourself.

Callan, the word 'accident' is very misleading in the JonBenet case.
For example, a true accident would have been if Patsy, while carrying JonBenet upstairs, had tripped on the staris and the child had fallen down the stairs. In that case, no doubt the Ramseys would have taken JonBenet to the hospital.

If you replace 'accident' with the term 'rage attack', you will get a lot closer to what it probably was. For a rage attack is neither premeditated nor a pure accident. Rage attacks can happens on the spur of the moment, all it takes is often only a trigger, and a wetting/soiling accident (which btw could have happened before JonBenet even went to bed) may very well have been such a trigger which made an an already stressed-out and tired Patsy fly off the handle.

But whatever it was, the crime scene tells us that something happened to JonBenet in the Ramsey home on that tragic night which caused both John and Patsy to cover it up by staging a scene and concocting a story.

 

[Ames]

Well, camera angles fool the eye, but the sweater looks way too big for JonBenet. Of course, since JonBenet was 47" tall, she was fairly tall (almost four feet), maybe it is just a camera angle and it's her sweater.

I speculate (so as not to offend anyone) that the pillow is at the foot of the bed so JonBenet could watch videos.

I also read an old post here by either Rash or Jayelles that went something like this. Patsy said John carried JonBenet to bed, asleep, from the car. Patsy said that unless JonBenet "went to potty" she would likely have a wetting accident. Patsy said she didn't wake JonBenet when put to bed that night or at midnight like she often did as a preventive for bedwetting.

I can only conclude if all the above is true, JonBenet wet the bed that night. Of course, Burke says JonBenet was awake and walked up the stairs to bed along with Patsy.

Who is lying? :waitasec:

I think that she probably walked in herself...and then went to bed, in Burke's room. She may have watched videos before doing so, OR she may have watched videos the night before, and since the pillow was at the foot of the bed...and hadn't been moved...that imo...could mean that she slept in either Burkes bed, OR in the other bed in Burkes room. That could be where she had her little bedwetting accident.

 

[Ames]

Maybe he/she thought it meant "go."

She/he must think that it means..."be a butthead".

 

[Solace]

She/he must think that it means..."be a butthead".

I have to say that bed does NOT look slept in at all. I also never recall reading about Haney or Thomas questioning Patsy or John about the fact that the bed does not look slept in. Has anyone got any information on that (whether they were questioned on the condition of the bed)? Thanks

 

[Squishified]

Are we talking about JonBenet's bed or John & Patsy's?

 

[BOESP]

Callan, the word 'accident' is very misleading in the JonBenet case.
For example, a true accident would have been if Patsy, while carrying JonBenet upstairs, had tripped on the staris and the child had fallen down the stairs. In that case, no doubt the Ramseys would have taken JonBenet to the hospital.

If you replace 'accident' with the term 'rage attack', you will get a lot closer to what it probably was. For a rage attack is neither premeditated nor a pure accident. Rage attacks can happens on the spur of the moment, all it takes is often only a trigger, and a wetting/soiling accident (which btw could have happened before JonBenet even went to bed) may very well have been such a trigger which made an an already stressed-out and tired Patsy fly off the handle.

But whatever it was, the crime scene tells us that something happened to JonBenet in the Ramsey home on that tragic night which caused both John and Patsy to cover it up by staging a scene and concocting a story.

Rash, I'm glad you brought this up.

It seems to be a domestic homicide. It was either accidental if it was done in a rage without intent to kill or it was purposeful. As you, I don't see it as an accident, but an accidental result.

Regardless, why not call 911? I can think of reasons for not doing so such as thinking JonBenet would either die anyway or be a vegetable and the killer didn't want to be accused of killing JonBenet. But at the point the decision was made not to call 911, does it become voluntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder????

Then, if she were strangled as a part of the staging while alive, yet the assailant thought she was dead when the ligature was applied, that further clouds things. Is it involuntary manslaughter?

But what if the strangulation evidence comes from two separate actions: jerking and twisting a turtleneck collar or other collar and dragging or shoving JonBenet around in order to get her to cooperate (manual strangulation that doesn't result in complete asphyxiation), followed by the event that injured her head, then followed by staging that left a second set of evidence for ligature strangulation.

Another possibility is the same as sequence as above but the ligature strangulation being a "mercy killing" instead of staging.

I think these conundrums are a part of the reason the DA's office didn't want to prosecute. According to my interpretations of Hunter's remarks (televised and on You Tube video) a case wasn't put together that could show which parent did what and exactly what they did. There are so many possibilites.

I also must say Hunter was a big part of the problem that the investigation didn't go in the right direction at times and I fault him for not assisting the BPD, or so it seems. However, why didn't the BPD go to a judge and request warrants when Hunter refused to do so or did they and a judge refused to?

So many unanswered questions.

 

[Solace]

Rash, I'm glad you brought this up.

It seems to be a domestic homicide. It was either accidental if it was done in a rage without intent to kill or it was purposeful. As you, I don't see it as an accident, but an accidental result.

Regardless, why not call 911? I can think of reasons for not doing so such as thinking JonBenet would either die anyway or be a vegetable and the killer didn't want to be accused of killing JonBenet. But at the point the decision was made not to call 911, does it become voluntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder????

Then, if she were strangled as a part of the staging while alive, yet the assailant thought she was dead when the ligature was applied, that further clouds things. Is it involuntary manslaughter?

But what if the strangulation evidence comes from two separate actions: jerking and twisting a turtleneck collar or other collar and dragging or shoving JonBenet around in order to get her to cooperate (manual strangulation that doesn't result in complete asphyxiation), followed by the event that injured her head, then followed by staging that left a second set of evidence for ligature strangulation.

Another possibility is the same as sequence as above but the ligature strangulation being a "mercy killing" instead of staging.

I think these conundrums are a part of the reason the DA's office didn't want to prosecute. According to my interpretations of Hunter's remarks (televised and on You Tube video) a case wasn't put together that could show which parent did what and exactly what they did. There are so many possibilites.

I also must say Hunter was a big part of the problem that the investigation didn't go in the right direction at times and I fault him for not assisting the BPD, or so it seems. However, why didn't the BPD go to a judge and request warrants when Hunter refused to do so or did they and a judge refused to?

So many unanswered questions.

So, lets say Patsy is in a rage and she twists her shirt and pulls her off the bed and (just lets say) and she throws her towards the bathrrom and Jon Benet slips and hits her head - the sound is very loud.

Do you think that Patsy ran over and felt her head and FELT the split and decided "oh God" and then made her decision?

Anyone can answer that. The more the better. Thanks.

 

[BOESP]

So, lets say Patsy is in a rage and she twists her shirt and pulls her off the bed and (just lets say) and she throws her towards the bathrrom and Jon Benet slips and hits her head - the sound is very loud.

Do you think that Patsy ran over and felt her head and FELT the split and decided "oh God" and then made her decision?

Anyone can answer that. The more the better. Thanks.

In my opinion, that sounds like what likely happened although JonBenet may not have been in or on the bed. No matter how it happened, I definitely believe Patsy examined her head.

 

[Ames]

In my opinion, that sounds like what likely happened although JonBenet may not have been in or on the bed. No matter how it happened, I definitely believe Patsy examined her head.

Since they found a bloodstain on JB's pillow...and Patsy said that she never had nosebleeds...I wonder if Patsy, after realizing what she had done, and feeling of JB's head...and seeing the blood trickle from her nose and possibly her mouth (after the head wound)....placed her on her bed. Maybe the pillow was where it was supposed to be, at the head of the bed...Patsy placed her on it, JB's nose kept bleeding, so she moved the pillow to lie JB flat...and to make it easier for her to hold JB's head back...to try and stop the bleeding. Maybe sometime later, Patsy washed the sheets to remove the blood from the pillow case, and the urine from the sheets, and either placed them back on the bed, or a completely different set.

 

[Rino]

So, lets say Patsy is in a rage and she twists her shirt and pulls her off the bed and (just lets say) and she throws her towards the bathrrom and Jon Benet slips and hits her head - the sound is very loud.

Do you think that Patsy ran over and felt her head and FELT the split and decided "oh God" and then made her decision?

Anyone can answer that. The more the better. Thanks.

Yes, I think that was the beginning of the staged deception

 

[Ames]

So, lets say Patsy is in a rage and she twists her shirt and pulls her off the bed and (just lets say) and she throws her towards the bathrrom and Jon Benet slips and hits her head - the sound is very loud.

Do you think that Patsy ran over and felt her head and FELT the split and decided "oh God" and then made her decision?

Anyone can answer that. The more the better. Thanks.

I believe that she felt the split and thought.."OH GOD"..and placed her on the bed, to try and revive her and to stop the bleeding from her nose and/or mouth....and THEN she made the decision.