What the Prosecution Thinks About Media Reporting in this case

[SeriouslySearching]

I am glad this case has gotten the coverage it has because I believe across the country there are now people finally paying attention to the real numbers of all missing persons and children in this country. I don't care how sensational they want to portray it. It serves a greater purpose because it is being done. I will put up with every BOMBSHELL which could be inaccurate if it means that one person out there will be more aware when a child goes missing in their area or they will try to be more observant of others around them.

 

[Jolynna]

Homicide is a very loose term that also covers manslaughter, where a person's death may have been due to some form of negligence. That is a far cry from 'slaying' someone! Dr G also did not say the cause of death was homicide, that was the manner of death, and was her opinion based upon a variety of factors. The cause of death was 'undetermined means' meaning that she could not tell how Caylee had died, so I think it is outrageous for a media source to take it upon themselves to repeatedly report that Caylee was 'slain' without knowing the facts.

According to the state of Florida, Caylee was "slain".

They will be doing their best to prove it.

 

[ecs5298]

I didn't know there was a news outlet with integrity? Not meaning to be mean, but they report the stuff WE want to hear. The way WE want to hear it. It's all about getting viewers to tune in, watch the ADs , to make them money.

The reason is that there is really very few "news" outlets anymore. Most everything from the local stations on up are now "news-tainment". We lost true "news" when ratings and money got involved. What's even more interesting is the effect the news-tainment industry has on peoples opinions because of the slant that they possess. I'm not just talking about shows like Ins Ed, I'm talking FNC, CNN, HLN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What does 'MF' stand for? M. Furman?

Yes. Welcome to WS, Maxx! There is a thread that is titled Websleuths Lingo in case you have trouble figuring out all of the intials floating around this case. LOL It was a must as we are not allowed to use full names when referring to most people in this case. (I fixed your post for you!)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that all WS'ers buy into the media slant or fail to determine the actual facts, just that my experience, or perhaps it would be more accurate to call it my effort, here on WS's is mainly attempting to point out information that does conflict with or mistate the actual facts. It's just what I do. It has nothing to do with the overall accuracy of other sites or the overall accuracy of this site for that matter. If I didn't believe that WS is the most reliable and responsible "Caylee" site, I wouldn't be here.

Speaking of accuracy...WS is not a "Caylee" site. We are a Crime Sleuthing Community.

I think perhaps it is carried a bit too far when we are expected to be above all other standards when discussing any case. Speculation, theories, and our opinions mixed in with what we glean from many sources are what WE do here. No one said this site was supposed to be the most accurate or the end all of the facts. Without speculation, theories, and opinions...there wouldn't be a sleuthing site imo. We would all just be regurgitating facts which we would not know about until trials.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

Hmmm ... who was it that didn't want a gag order?

 

[Devon]

I don't think "slain" is improper in this context at all-- to slay is to kill or murder. When a defenseless child victim is found dead, in a trash bag, in the woods, and duct tape is found over her mouth, that can pretty reasonably be described as a slaying.

I do agree that a lot of media reports are sensationalistic-- especially those reports that seize upon trivial or seemingly immaterial details.
BUT, some media coverage is IMO somewhat softer than it should be (and effectively better for the defense or unfair to the victim)

*Some media reports continue to refer to Caylee as a three year old. Dr. Phil did it on Friday. Caylee was never allowed to reach her third birthday and reports which fail to recognize that fact are IMO doing a disservice to the victim.

*Some media reports still refer to Casey as being charged with the first degree murder "in connection with her daughter's disappearance." Caylee didn't disappear, she was killed. She isn't missing, she was found dead.

definition of 'slay':

slay (sl)
tr.v. slew (sl), slain (sln), slay·ing, slays
1. To kill violently.
2. past tense and past participle often slayed Slang To overwhelm, as with laughter or love: Those old jokes still slay me.

Another:

slay
One entry found.

Main Entry:
slay Listen to the pronunciation of slay
Pronunciation:
\ˈslā\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s): slew Listen to the pronunciation of slew \ˈslü\ also especially in sense 2 slayed; slain Listen to the pronunciation of slain \ˈslān\ ; slay·ing
Etymology: Middle English slen, from Old English slēan to strike, slay; akin to Old High German slahan to strike, Middle Irish slachta stricken
Date: before 12th century

transitive verb
1: to kill violently, wantonly, or in great numbers ; broadly : to strike down : kill
2: to delight or amuse immensely <slayed the audience>

 

[Chilly Willy]

I know that, Chilly, but you know I had to try to get you to state your position as fact. :wink:


:blowkiss:

And I appreciate you for doing so. My comment needed further explanation.

 

[Jolynna]

Quite frankly...the MEDIA will talk to ANYBODY with ANY theory that will build ratings. They need ad sales to keep their jobs.

It is an equal opportunity playing field...

Starting tonight, there will be a media blitz planting "accident theory" seeds...watch.

If anything, media "sensationalism" and all that resembles too much zealousness from the prosecutors will play into the defense's hand. "Unfair" sensationalism from the press and a "tunnel-visioned" lazy and sloppy investigation IS the entire defense case. (IMO)

There are no witnesses on their witness list to establish anything else.

Any response from the prosecutors to the upcoming *defense blitz* will add more fuel to the defense fire. It gives the defense MORE unfair sensationalism and (hopefully for the defense) an incorrectly reported fact to talk about (to the horrible, unfair media).

The defense ALWAYS says the prosecutors and media were unfair...especially when they CAN'T say anything else (because if they DID their client would look even WORSE).

IMO

 

[radio]

Ah, from my studies.. I would have to say you have been wearing rose colored glasses my dear. Sigh, isn't it sad.

Actually, when we agree with what is being said/written, we don't notice it's being leaned one direction or another. Same if we don't have an opinion. Most of the time, unless we are involved our selves, we have no way of realizing the reporting is leaning in any direction at all. How would we??

Most folks will not watch the videos and catch what you did. They will not be confused. They 'know' what happened. It is what everyone 'knows'. And that is what the news media reported. After something is considered commen knowledge, good luck trying to change it. I've watch political reporting enough.. that I'm just so over the shock of it all.

Great post Spangle!! The prosecution, defense and media are all equal opportunities for criticism, praise or whatever.

 

[Devon]

According to the state of Florida, Caylee was "slain".

They will be doing their best to prove it.

They may be in need of a magician's hat then, to prove that Caylee was killed violently (which is what 'slain' means) because the ME couldn't work out how she died.

 

[Maxx]

Yes. Welcome to WS, Maxx! There is a thread that is titled Websleuths Lingo in case you have trouble figuring out all of the intials floating around this case. LOL It was a must as we are not allowed to use full names when referring to most people in this case. (I fixed your post for you!)

OOPS! Sorry thanks!

 

[technicalconfusion]

definition of 'slay':

slay (sl)
tr.v. slew (sl), slain (sln), slay·ing, slays
1. To kill violently.
2. past tense and past participle often slayed Slang To overwhelm, as with laughter or love: Those old jokes still slay me.

Ok. Definition of homicide:

Homicide
Hom"i*cide\, n. [F., fr. L. homicidium, fr. homicida a man slayer; man + caedere to cut, kill. See Homage, and cf. Concise, Shed, v. t.]

1. The killing of one human being by another.

2. One who kills another; a manslayer. --Chaucer. Shak.

So instead of saying slain toddler, I guess we should be saying the gently killed toddler was tossed as light as a feather into the woods.

Makes tons more sense.

 

[okiedokietoo]

According to
http://www.answers.com/topic/smuggling
The definition of Smuggle
v., -gled, -gling, -gles.
v.tr.
1. To import or export without paying lawful customs charges or duties.
2. To bring in or take out illicitly or by stealth.

 

[Mama-cita]

Right.....so that means she was 'slain' does it? Gotcha! :waitasec:

Umm, well, the ME was clear as day when she ruled the cause of death "Death by homicide..." so I would say, YES, it does mean she was slain! She certainly didn't die of natural causes!!

 

[whiteangora]

Regardless of the behavior of an Anthony family member the news is supposed to be reported in an unbiased fashion. Thats the whole point to deliver facts, not the reporters impression of or opinion of the facts.

Could you please send a cc of that to Geraldo?

 

[Devon]

Ok. Definition of homicide:

Homicide
Hom"i*cide\, n. [F., fr. L. homicidium, fr. homicida a man slayer; man + caedere to cut, kill. See Homage, and cf. Concise, Shed, v. t.]

1. The killing of one human being by another.

2. One who kills another; a manslayer. --Chaucer. Shak.

So instead of saying slain toddler, I guess we should be saying the gently killed toddler was tossed as light as a feather into the woods.

Makes tons more sense.

Legal definition of homicide:

homicide

The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another. The term applies to all such killings, whether criminal or not. Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations, including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or when someone is killed by another person who is attempting to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both examples of criminal homicide.

 

[TruthSeeker]

When I seen him throw them out, I knew that was a real bad move. He thought he was the one who had 'control.' Shows how wet behind the ears he is. When he tossed them out, he lost any 'control' he would ever have with that news group. They wouldn't be coming tho him for HIM to fashion the story, they would go around him. And that is never the best for a persons client.

But that pretty much sums up part of JB"s problem. He alienates those whom he needs their help. Then complains because they are not tripping over themselves to help him.

I got a feeling his mother was one of those helicopter parents, that folks was talking about. Some how he didn't learn the process of networking.

So does that give the networks an excuse for practicing irresponsible, misleading, sensationalized journalism? Because they did not like what Baez did to them they have a right to respond in anger and report biased news to the public? I say that should not play any part on how the media reports news to the public and is reprehensible! If I want an opinion I'll go to the op/ed section which is where OPINION belongs.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

They may be in need of a magician's hat then, to prove that Caylee was killed violently (which is what 'slain' means) because the ME couldn't work out how she died.

No magician's hat neccessary when they present their facts and they weave together a planned, cold blooded killing of an innocent child at the hands of her mother. Evidence, testimony, and forensics will be more than enough to prove this. They don't need a COD. They don't even need a motive.

 

[californiared]

definition of 'slay':

slay (sl)
tr.v. slew (sl), slain (sln), slay·ing, slays
1. To kill violently.
2. past tense and past participle often slayed Slang To overwhelm, as with laughter or love: Those old jokes still slay me.

Another:

slay
One entry found.

Main Entry:
slay Listen to the pronunciation of slay
Pronunciation:
\&#712;sl&#257;\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s): slew Listen to the pronunciation of slew \&#712;slü\ also especially in sense 2 slayed; slain Listen to the pronunciation of slain \&#712;sl&#257;n\ ; slay·ing
Etymology: Middle English slen, from Old English sl&#275;an to strike, slay; akin to Old High German slahan to strike, Middle Irish slachta stricken
Date: before 12th century

transitive verb
1: to kill violently, wantonly, or in great numbers ; broadly : to strike down : kill
2: to delight or amuse immensely <slayed the audience>

almost right Devon. In the phrase "slain toddler" the word "slain" is not used as a noun or verb. It is an adjective, which was missing out of your definition. The word "slain", when used as an adjective, has only one meaning, and it means killed. If you look up "slain as an adjective", none of the definitions imply that the death had to be violent.