What the Prosecution Thinks About Media Reporting in this case

[TruthSeeker]

I am glad this case has gotten the coverage it has because I believe across the country there are now people finally paying attention to the real numbers of all missing persons and children in this country. I don't care how sensational they want to portray it. It serves a greater purpose because it is being done. I will put up with every BOMBSHELL which could be inaccurate if it means that one person out there will be more aware when a child goes missing in their area or they will try to be more observant of others around them.

I wish this were true. Just go to the other missing person's threads on this site alone and see how many of the people who post here post there. The numbers unfortunately just do not support you supposition.

 

[Devon]

It's not the media's job to render a softlight depiction of what seems to have happened to Caylee. Nor is it the media's responsibility to pander to our human impulse to deny that the young, pretty smiling mother in the pictures could intentionally cause harm to her beautiful baby.

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I can't disagree with that, just as it isn't the media's job to keep stoking up the fires of rage and hate - they seem to be burning quite adequately without the constant additions of purposely manufactured fuel!

 

[TruthSeeker]

The reason is that there is really very few "news" outlets anymore. Most everything from the local stations on up are now "news-tainment". We lost true "news" when ratings and money got involved. What's even more interesting is the effect the news-tainment industry has on peoples opinions because of the slant that they possess. I'm not just talking about shows like Ins Ed, I'm talking FNC, CNN, HLN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.

You are soooo right! Unfortunately politics and law enforcement has learned to use this fact to sway people in their thinking. It sure works, doesn't it?

Until people get angry enough to turn away from this type of journalism and speak out against it, we are stuck with it. Unfortunately, it appears so many people do not even realize they are being manipulated! Such a sad and sorry statement about our society today.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Ok. Definition of homicide:

Homicide
Hom"i*cide\, n. [F., fr. L. homicidium, fr. homicida a man slayer; homo man + caedere to cut, kill. See Homage, and cf. Concise, Shed, v. t.]

1. The killing of one human being by another.

2. One who kills another; a manslayer. --Chaucer. Shak.

So instead of saying slain toddler, I guess we should be saying the gently killed toddler was tossed as light as a feather into the woods.

Makes tons more sense.

The truth here is that no one knows if she was "killed"! (or slain, or murdered, or strangled, or stabbed, etc, etc, etc).

All we actually know is she is dead and the circumstances are "suspicious" and unexplainable.

 

[Devon]

I wish this were true. Just go to the other missing person's threads on this site alone and see how many of the people who post here post there. The numbers unfortunately just do not support you supposition.

A valid point. IMO it's the sensationalism of this case (ramped up by the media) that draws people in and keeps them transfixed. There are more factual but no less shocking reports every day of atrocities committed against children, but they are generally not given more than a cursory glance.

 

[Jolynna]

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I can't disagree with that, just as it isn't the media's job to keep stoking up the fires of rage and hate - they seem to be burning quite adequately without the constant additions of purposely manufactured fuel!

The facts in this case are ugly.

Considering the way Caylee's body was found, I can understand a reporter believing that the use of the word *slain* was accurate. It has already been pointed out that the word is technically correct.


MOO

 

[Devon]

The truth here is that no one knows if she was "killed"! (or slain, or murdered, or strangled, or stabbed, etc, etc, etc).

All we actually know is she is dead and the circumstances are "suspicious" and unexplainable.

Exactly! :clap:

ETA - I thought I was a bit mean on the applause, so here's some more:
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[PoppyH]

The truth here is that no one knows if she was "killed"! (or slain, or murdered, or strangled, or stabbed, etc, etc, etc).

All we actually know is she is dead and the circumstances are "suspicious" and unexplainable.

ME says it was homicide, In other words, she was killed, slain, murdered, etc, on the death certificate, she listed it as homicide

 

[TruthSeeker]

ME says it was homicide, In other words, she was killed, slain, murdered, etc, on the death certificate, she listed it as homicide

I refer you back to Devon's fine post #77:

"Legal definition of homicide:

homicide

The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another. The term applies to all such killings, whether criminal or not. Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations, including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or when someone is killed by another person who is attempting to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both examples of criminal homicide."

No where in the above definition does the word "slain" appear.

 

[okiedokietoo]

ME says it was homicide, In other words, she was killed, slain, murdered, etc, on the death certificate, she listed it as homicide

Yes this isn't an Oliver Stone movie with major LE Conspiracy theory subplot.

 

[PoppyH]

I refer you back to Devon's fine post #77:

"Legal definition of homicide:

homicide

The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another. The term applies to all such killings, whether criminal or not. Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations, including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or when someone is killed by another person who is attempting to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both examples of criminal homicide.

No where in the above definition does the word "slain" appear.

No, I don't see slain there, sorry, I do believe KC intentionally murdered her daughter, no one is gonna risk going to prison over an accident, ya call 911, not hide a body and party like its 1999, she is one spooky chick

 

[Devon]

ME says it was homicide, In other words, she was killed, slain, murdered, etc, on the death certificate, she listed it as homicide

Legal definition of homicide:

homicide

The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another. The term applies to all such killings, whether criminal or not. Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations, including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or when someone is killed by another person who is attempting to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both examples of criminal homicide.

The use of the word homicide can cover many situations, ranging from a deliberate murder to a death that occurs because of someone's unintentional but nevertheless negligent act, or failure to act - proof of which often results in a conviction for manslaughter if sufficient culpability can be shown.

 

[californiared]

The truth here is that no one knows if she was "killed"! (or slain, or murdered, or strangled, or stabbed, etc, etc, etc).

All we actually know is she is dead and the circumstances are "suspicious" and unexplainable.

Uh, what? Caylee's death was ruled a homicide of undetermined means. Even if it was an "accident" that Casey tried to cover up, that would still make it negligent homicide. Unless you are suggesting that Caylee put herself in that bag in the woods, it was a homicide, accident or no accident!

 

[Spangle]

The news should NEVER be biased! It should report the news, not opinions and should NEVER be slanted to "get back at or get even with" someone! What kind of editor allows their staff to do this?

As I have said before, there is an OP/ED section in any news reporting agency to express OPINIONS. That is the proper place to express anger, if there ever is a place for the news media to do so.

Unrealistic expectatons. Facts for the most part can be meaninngless bunch of words, etc. Rather dry stuff on a normal day.

Reality, you and I both can see the same thing. But when we report it, it will not be the same report. the bias isn't always some sort of revenage, being mean, etc. We report things, explain things, based upon what we understand we are seeing. We remember what we think is important, ignore what we think isn't. On and on, in the end, it's different. Even where we are standing, will effect what we see. How close, what those around us say, etc.

We all have a bias.

Also, there was a reason why we smartened up and maded laws to prevent a person from owning to much 'media' in an area. Where the owner would have total control of a media market. That has all been tossed out the window these last few years. Sigh....

Another words, you can't just blame the reporter. He has a boss, that boss has a boss, etc.... I have seen reporters do a piece in a negative light, just to get the info OUT there. Or in a positive light, etc. What ever it takes, just to get it 'pass' , what ever.

 

[Devon]

No, I don't see slain there, sorry, I do believe KC intentionally murdered her daughter, no one is gonna risk going to prison over an accident, ya call 911, not hide a body and party like its 1999, she is one spooky chick

But what if the accident was caused by your own negligence? Where you have someone who lies to get themselves out of even the most minor little 'situations', is it likely that they are suddenly going to sprout a 'truth' tooth and start being a responsible and honest human being when faced with the worst catastrophe of their lives?

 

[Chilly Willy]

You are soooo right! Unfortunately politics and law enforcement has learned to use this fact to sway people in their thinking. It sure works, doesn't it?

Until people get angry enough to turn away from this type of journalism and speak out against it, we are stuck with it. Unfortunately, it appears so many people do not even realize they are being manipulated! Such a sad and sorry statement about our society today.

Exactly. As Spangle said in an earlier post, if the reporter's bias matches our own, we don't see the article as slanted.

(I hope that's what you meant, Spangle, and that I'm not putting words in your mouth)

 

[Manny]

Ah, from my studies.. I would have to say you have been wearing rose colored glasses my dear. Sigh, isn't it sad.

Actually, when we agree with what is being said/written, we don't notice it's being leaned one direction or another. Same if we don't have an opinion. Most of the time, unless we are involved our selves, we have no way of realizing the reporting is leaning in any direction at all. How would we??

Most folks will not watch the videos and catch what you did. They will not be confused. They 'know' what happened. It is what everyone 'knows'. And that is what the news media reported. After something is considered commen knowledge, good luck trying to change it. I've watch political reporting enough.. that I'm just so over the shock of it all.

Funny, but long ago, they actually used to teach people how to discern the difference between yellow journalism and real reporting. Too bad that they didn't continue that practice. With all the information flying around the internet and in the newspapers (who think they really are newspapers) it is enough to turn us all into babbling maniacs.
No wonder people call stealing a car, borrowing a car and what is it that CA calls lying? Words no longer have any meaning I guess

 

[butwhatif?]

What does 'MF' stand for? M. Furman?

Yes....it stands for something else too ;-) but in this case I am referring to M. Fuhrman.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yes....it stands for something else too ;-) but in this case I am referring to M. Fuhrman.

Marshmallow Fluff?

 

[TruthSeeker]

But what if the accident was caused by your own negligence? Where you have someone who lies to get themselves out of even the most minor little 'situations', is it likely that they are suddenly going to sprout a 'truth' tooth and start being a responsible and honest human being when faced with the worst catastrophe of their lives?

Very insightful post. I am sure psychologists would be all over this situation if they were not so intimidated by the negative repercussions that would follow. I have seen one or two on NG who tried. Whew! She sure did whoop and holler over that! Thought her veins were gonna pop! Tee Hee!