When Was Haleigh Last Seen?

[lonetraveler]

You read my mind momuv3angels. If true, it reminds me of my mother when I was a child. She had an extremely explosive and volitile temper. When she was on one of her rampages, often ignited by her obsessiveness to have a clean (immaculate) home, for fear of us leaving a crumb or two on a table or floor she would send us outside to eat, regardless what time of year and/or weather conditions. If Haleigh & Jr. did in fact eat out on the porch that evening, in February and after sunset... someone - that someone being Misty - was not in a good mood IMO.

My mother would run us out to play while she was cleaning the house and would lock the screen door too. However, this was during daytime hours and during good weather. She would never run us out after dark in the chill.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Since evening begins at 6:00 pm, then I guess we can assume that means that the neighbor saw Haleigh after dark? Between 6:00 pm and 8:00pm? How did the neighbor see Haleigh after dark? How could the neighbor see any children in the dark? Ron and TN made it very clear that Haleigh was afraid of the dark, so I'm assuming that Haleigh and Jr., if truly seen by the neighbor, were not out playing in the dark. Late afternoon however would cover the 5PMish timeline of the AC man and Tommy coming over with his children.

Good point lone. The only other thing I can think of is that a neighbor may have been able to see HaLeigh if there had been outside lights on, i.e., front porch light, light pole... Does anyone know if that telephone-like pole with the light on it right by the MH came on at dusk?

 

[suspicious1]

Great point about putting the plates down, mom. I wanted to add that it seems from GMS account, she wanted it to appear she was never inside the home. She saw them on the screened in porch, the children came to her for kisses and hugs, she handed Misty the laundry. All of this done outdoors. Seems to me she does not want it to appear she was ever in the home. When she goes that far, to me, it means She Was In The Home.
jmo

I believe that too. Maybe her little visit inside the mh was what prompted the argument that Misty and Ron had over the phone after GMS left. Maybe GMS saw something or someone or was there to try and fix a bad situation.

Maybe it went like this:
Ron/Misty calls one another and their conversation put enough fear in Ron that he had to call his mother for assistance.
Ron calls TN to go and check on the kids(meaning Haleigh).
TN is too far away at the time so she calls and sends GMS over there(AGAIN for whatever reason TN felt the need to send someone in her place. So that tells me that the conversation between Ron and Tn put enough fear in Tn for her to call and send someone else until she herself could get there.)
IMO, something is going on then with Haleigh.
GMS gets Aunt L to ride with her for assistance in the situation.
Imo, Tn arrived well before the 911 call which is why she was on the scene in record time.
When GMS got to the mh maybe Haleigh was beyond help, idk. (For some reason I feel that TN helped dispose of Haleigh, idk) But anyway...
Whatever information GMS relayed back to Tn and Ron caused an argument between Ron and Misty and she then turns off her phone.
That is why I DO NOT BELEIVE Ron was at work til 3a. It was too much going on in his household that evening. Ron at that time felt the need to call Tommy to go over and check on Misty,
Imo, Ron has too many people going over tto the mh that evening.
IMO, the initial call from Tyler St at 2:13a had something to do with Ron and Misty (maybe domestic disturbance). This is where someone reported seeing Haleigh 1 to 1 1/2 hours prior to the call,,,but which one? If going by the the 2:13 call from Tyler that would put someone from Tyler seeing Haleigh about 12:30a to about 1am-ish at the mh
If goimg from the second call 3:27 that would still put someone from Tyler seeing Haleigh about 2am-ish at the mh.
Am I missing something? Because this tells me that somewhere between 12:30-2a someone from Tyler was inside the mh in order to see Haleigh there. So why would someone from Tyler be in the mh that late? (maybe domestic disturbance). It's not uncommon for relatives to run to one's aide when in trouble. Being a woman with brothers, if I got into it with a guy my brothers would be who I would call too. I wonder if LE checked the scratch on the blue van up against Ron's truck? Maybe that's why Ron was so adamant about cousin Jo not being there that night although he was suppose to have been at work. Maybe something happened between them that night and that's how the van got damaged. Could that be why no one has been cleared. Each one play a different part in the same movie.

Sorry for rambling it's late. Can someone shed some light on this for me.

 

[Emeralgem]

I am also under the impression she did not want it to appear she was ever in the home, however, she, herself, stated in an inteview the day she went in to clean the MH after it was released back to the family that everything was just as it was the night Haleigh disappeared.. That tells me she was in there.. I also believe the reason TN sent her there in the first place is because she had already been told something had happened to Haleigh.

IMHO..GGMS needs to give it up..In the first place she is too old to be telling lies to cover up for her grandson's actions just to keep him out of jail..HELL-O..She best be thinking where she is going to spend eternity.......JMO

 

[debs]

I am also under the impression she did not want it to appear she was ever in the home, however, she, herself, stated in an inteview the day she went in to clean the MH after it was released back to the family that everything was just as it was the night Haleigh disappeared.. That tells me she was in there.. I also believe the reason TN sent her there in the first place is because she had already been told something had happened to Haleigh.

IMHO..GGMS needs to give it up..In the first place she is too old to be telling lies to cover up for her grandson's actions just to keep him out of jail..HELL-O..She best be thinking where she is going to spend eternity.......JMO

Oh so long ago, I recall bringing that up. She stated 9 days after Haleigh disappeared, in the interview where she revealed she had gone over there, that she handed the clothes and left. Then in that other interview, it was so weird to bring up seeing the house exactly the way it was when she last saw her.

Misty isn't the only one with inconsistent stories.

 

[LFlorida]

I am also under the impression she did not want it to appear she was ever in the home, however, she, herself, stated in an inteview the day she went in to clean the MH after it was released back to the family that everything was just as it was the night Haleigh disappeared.. That tells me she was in there.. I also believe the reason TN sent her there in the first place is because she had already been told something had happened to Haleigh.

IMHO..GGMS needs to give it up..In the first place she is too old to be telling lies to cover up for her grandson's actions just to keep him out of jail..HELL-O..She best be thinking where she is going to spend eternity.......JMO

You know, gem, I don't think Grandma Annette has given much thought to the Eternity nor to facing God on judgment day. Odd, since she and her daughter both carry on so much about Jesus and Angels and Miracles and Prayer.

If so, then I think Annette has only been able to see the short-term: she will be a martyr of the family, forgoing her own grief and sense of righteous and sin as an exercise in sacrifice to save her son / daughter / grandson / granddaughter. Focusing on the here and now and not the hereafter is a big mistake. She could probably handle the prison sentence and would relish showing how tough she is. I'm not so sure about how she will handle facing her Maker when that day arrives.

Humbly, it's jmo.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am also under the impression she did not want it to appear she was ever in the home, however, she, herself, stated in an inteview the day she went in to clean the MH after it was released back to the family that everything was just as it was the night Haleigh disappeared.. That tells me she was in there.. I also believe the reason TN sent her there in the first place is because she had already been told something had happened to Haleigh.

IMHO..GGMS needs to give it up..In the first place she is too old to be telling lies to cover up for her grandson's actions just to keep him out of jail..HELL-O..She best be thinking where she is going to spend eternity.......JMO

Hi Emeralgem, hope you had a great Christmas. BBM: I too believe that this needs to happen. She needs to do what is just for Haleigh.

 

[Whisperer]

So, Greenwood says a neighbor saw Haleigh early evening...we don't know who, but the only neighbor that spoke was Poppens. On camera, I do not recall him saying that he saw Haleigh. The only other neighbor were the Wrights who moved out by the end of February. We have heard NOTHING from them.

We have Sykes and Aunt Lisa(if M is telling truth) seeing her between 7:00 and 8:00. No one other than misty coming forth about any time later. So that means Sykes is standing by her statement of seeing them both early evening. No one other than Misty and Sykes put themselves as seeing Haleigh that evening.

With Sykes, nothing could be more normal, as she kisses Haliegh Goodbye.
The last time we know of misty actually seeing haleigh, accordiing to her was when she covered her with a sheet while she did laundry and we don't have a time of that, specifically.

 

[Whisperer]

Is the Aunt Lisa who was with GMA Sykes the wife of Donald? If so, that could put a whole new spin on this...imo.

 

[Emeralgem]

Is the Aunt Lisa who was with GMA Sykes the wife of Donald? If so, that could put a whole new spin on this...imo.

I could be wrong but as I understand it, Aunt Elisa is the one who is/was married to Unka Donald... JMO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Is this Donald Sapp you are talking about?

 

[LFlorida]

I think she probably means Teresa's brother/Annette's son/Ron's uncle, Donald, not the other DS.

 

[Emeralgem]

Is this Donald Sapp you are talking about?

No, I am talking about Donald Squires, Annette's son, and TN's brother.

 

[TxLady2]

Since evening begins at 6:00 pm, then I guess we can assume that means that the neighbor saw Haleigh after dark? Between 6:00 pm and 8:00pm? How did the neighbor see Haleigh after dark? How could the neighbor see any children in the dark? Ron and TN made it very clear that Haleigh was afraid of the dark, so I'm assuming that Haleigh and Jr., if truly seen by the neighbor, were not out playing in the dark. Late afternoon however would cover the 5PMish timeline of the AC man and Tommy coming over with his children.

I don't think most people consider evening to begin at a certain time, Lonetraveler. To me, evening begins when it starts getting dark, and that is at different times, depending on the season and sometimes the weather. In the dead of winter, here, it starts getting dark between 5:00 and 5:30. In the summer, it is closer to 9:00. But if it's rainy or overcast because of a storm, then it can get dark earlier. Early Feb. would mean that the days have begun to get a little longer, and it might have not been total dark yet.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I don't think most people consider evening to begin at a certain time, Lonetraveler. To me, evening begins when it starts getting dark, and that is at different times, depending on the season and sometimes the weather. In the dead of winter, here, it starts getting dark between 5:00 and 5:30. In the summer, it is closer to 9:00. But if it's rainy or overcast because of a storm, then it can get dark earlier. Early Feb. would mean that the days have begun to get a little longer, and it might have not been total dark yet.

According to NOAA, it was dark and getting cold at 7:00 pm:

U.S. Naval Observatory (NOAA)
The following information is provided for Jacksonville, Duval County, Florida
Monday, 9 February 2009
Sunset 6:10 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:35 p.m.
Weather: high 74 low 39

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/index.php

 

[Whisperer]

Holy Carp! Does it get that cold in florida?

First of all RC says he never goes out in the yard...ever. Well, you know the routine when he starts out a sentence like that it is going to twist around to well, maybe..but if I did, blah, blah, blah....

There is no way that I can believe those children were sitting on the porch eating dinner when Sykes arrived. I also noticed, as was said above, that AS does distance herself from going inside the MH at least at 7:30 that evening but she does admit going in when the LE are there. I still don't know how LE allowed her an TN inside...strange. The only explanation I can think of is that they were there when LE arrived and didn't get noticed due to confusion and the movement of LE.

 

[LFlorida]

snipped by me - hope I'm not screwing up the context, whips

Holy Carp! Does it get that cold in florida?

Yes it does get that cold here, but IIRC Ron's 1st TV interview, done on 2/10, he's in that blue striped short-sleeved polo-style shirt.

I also noticed, as was said above, that AS does distance herself from going inside the MH at least at 7:30 that evening but she does admit going in when the LE are there. I still don't know how LE allowed her an TN inside...strange. The only explanation I can think of is that they were there when LE arrived and didn't get noticed due to confusion and the movement of LE.

PLEASE DON'T DO THIS TO ME WHIPS! lol - who do you think didn't notice them? LE? Based on... what?

Hope it's not on the one incident report that we do not know is authentic, complete, edited, etc. [OK, I know it's not complete because I know one of the first officers on the scene - possibly THE first responder - and his name is not anywhere on that report.]

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Holy Carp! Does it get that cold in florida?

First of all RC says he never goes out in the yard...ever. Well, you know the routine when he starts out a sentence like that it is going to twist around to well, maybe..but if I did, blah, blah, blah....

There is no way that I can believe those children were sitting on the porch eating dinner when Sykes arrived. I also noticed, as was said above, that AS does distance herself from going inside the MH at least at 7:30 that evening but she does admit going in when the LE are there. I still don't know how LE allowed her an TN inside...strange. The only explanation I can think of is that they were there when LE arrived and didn't get noticed due to confusion and the movement of LE.

BBM--If she had on her authentic LE jacket--maybe LE thought she was one of them--easy way to gain access to a potential crime scene, maybe?
:banghead:

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't think most people consider evening to begin at a certain time, Lonetraveler. To me, evening begins when it starts getting dark, and that is at different times, depending on the season and sometimes the weather. In the dead of winter, here, it starts getting dark between 5:00 and 5:30. In the summer, it is closer to 9:00. But if it's rainy or overcast because of a storm, then it can get dark earlier. Early Feb. would mean that the days have begun to get a little longer, and it might have not been total dark yet.

Nope, I live on the southeast coast and believe me, it gets dark in February early around 5:15 to 5:30 pm. So even if you define evening at around dark, it was evening and dark.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Whisperer -- ITA. I don't think it would be difficult to find out FOR SURE from the school if Haleigh was there that day. Given RC and MC's assurance she was there and the details about the day including RC picking her up from the bus stop, if it's shown she wasn't there that day, I would think that would be grounds for arrest right there. They couldn't possibly use the excuse of having their days mixed up because I guarantee there isn't a parent in the world who wouldn't be able to tell you exact details of the last day they saw their child.

Schools keep attendance records that show what students were in school each and every day and what students weren't in school each day. I would guess that LE was bright enough to check the attendance records for Haleigh. They know whether she was in school that day or not. I doubt that they are concerned whether we know if she was there or not. That is why they don't send out a memo to the public each day telling us what they are doing. They don't owe us anything and have their own detectives working the case.