When Was Haleigh Last Seen?

[News Junkie]

I am really beginning to wonder if Haleigh was even at the MH Sunday evening and Monday AM. Initially I thought she was with GGS, and that is why Ron just about ran over the other kids at the bus stop. Now I’m asking myself the question, if Haleigh wasn’t home Sunday evening and spent the night elsewhere, where could she have been? I think she arrived late for school, because Misty said that she walked her to her classroom. IMO, if Haleigh were on time she would have just walked in with the other students. One more thing of course GGS would say, yep, they came to my place to get her an outfit. I don’t believe any of it. I know some truth has to be mixed in, but only if it’s been verified by LE or someone from the “outside”.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Oh yeah and Misty's account of the inside back door (not the storm - she clearly stated that had a cement block holding it open) being wide open... that's totally bull**** because John Merchant clearly stated in one of the press conferences he had with Sheriff Hardy early on, the door was ajar 6 inches - just as we all saw for ourselves on the NG walk-thru. I don't care how someone tries to twist it, flip it or spin it, there is no way that Misty could have seen the screen door propped open with the cement block. The only way she could have known that the door was propped open with a cement block is if she, or someone she knew, did the propping. JMHO -

 

[suspicious1]

Something else I just thought about . . . MC claims she had been cleaning and doing laundry that night after the kids went to bed. If that's true:

1. The house would NOT have been as it was when GGMS was there earlier because now it is clean (which would mean either Misty or GMS is LYING).Why Lie?

2. If she had done the laundry, where did the laundry come from that was on the floor when LE got there? The laundry pile Haleigh's pink shirt was in . . .
(the laundry came from GMS and imo it was left where she (GMS) put it while in the mh)
3. If MC was going to do laundry, why did GGMS need to bring over clean clothes? (That was suppose to be her excuse for being there just in case someone saw her there or someone told LE that she was there. She needed a reason for being there and she had proof-the clean clothes).

Then I'd like to add that, imo, if MC really had been on a 3 day party bender, I can't imagine her being in the mood to clean and do laundry until 10pm, especially after having to care for the two kids all hungover and exhausted.

bbm
[B]They are all a part of this. I bet part of the plan orchestrated by TN was for no one to know that GMS had been in the mh because that would lead to finding out about the Aunt-the nurse. They did not want that to happen. She told MC to act like it was a normal night (after they left) with regular bedtime hours, the whole nine. As far as this visit from GMS and the nurse, they each had a story to tell. Misty-did as she was told and never mentioned the visit. TN-brought the visit up claiming to have sent A family member over to CHECK ON THE KIDS only when there was rumor of Misty not being there that night. Why would Tn then tell about sending someone over there? Why not entertain the possibility of Misty not being there? TN HAD to reveal that little bit of information...but why? Was Misty out with TN or GMs that night at some point? IJDK. It's funny how no one wanted to discuss the other family member who was there and has had NURSE TRAINING. Then here comes GMS-claiming to have been there but NEVER went inside, just there TO DROP OFF SOME CLOTHES. So which is it? Was GMS there to check on the kids or drop off some clothes? All LIES!!!!! Did we even hear from the Aunt? I haven't but why not? in my puzzle SHE is one of the missing pieces. [/B]

 

[Concerned Papa]

Oh yeah and Misty's account of the inside back door (not the storm - she clearly stated that had a cement block holding it open) being wide open... that's totally bull**** because John Merchant clearly stated in one of the press conferences he had with Sheriff Hardy early on, the door was ajar 6 inches - just as we all saw for ourselves on the NG walk-thru. I don't care how someone tries to twist it, flip it or spin it, there is no way that Misty could have seen the screen door propped open with the cement block. The only way she could have known that the door was propped open with a cement block is if she, or someone she knew, did the propping. JMHO -

Misty's not the only one spreading the "standing WIDE open" storyline in the beginning. In an interview with NG on 2/11, RC not only says the self closing door was standing wide open, but he walked out the door.

GRACE: Exactly. Mr. Cummings, you said the door was propped open. Describe to me what you saw when you got home.

CUMMINGS: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

NOTHING was ever mentioned about anything propping the inner door open until after the NG walk thru when the self closing aspect of the door was clearly shown. Then and only then did TN and GGM come up with another ad lib revision to the storyline with the "dirty clothes on the floor" idea.

 

[Baznme]

Absolutely, debs. And you know what that tells us?

1. Haleigh didn't go to bed at 8, but why not? What was going on with her at 8 that made it impossible for her to go to bed? We know that GMS (who was called by Tn to go over there) was there between 7-8 and Haleigh was supposedly full of hugs and kisses. We know that Ron and Misty got into an argument around 8ish, right after GMS is said to have been there-how ironic. Sooo what was Haleigh doing at 8? If she wasn't in the bed at her normal bedtime, (no biggie) soooo why lie and say she was? Why would GMS lie about being inside the mh that evening? Why would Tn send GMS over there in the first place, did she receive a call from Ron? What was wrong with Haleigh that Ron felt the need to call his mother who lives further away than GMS? What is going on in that mh?
2. Misty didn't go to bed at 10p. what was she doing? and why lie? She claims to have gotten in the bed at 10 and few mins later (Imo, about 10:15-10:30) jr crawled over her to get out the bed. Did Jr notice Daddy was home?, Ron is who i think turned on the kitchen light. Imo, Ron was at that mh about 10:30. I find it odd that Ron calls Hank supposedly looking for Misty and regardless of whether or not Ron sends Hank over there, Hank shows up at the mh at about 10p (when Misty claims to have gotten in the bed). Hank even admits to "waiting around for awhile" (imo to about 10:15-10:30). What was he waiting on? Who was he waiting on? Why wait? Was Ron mad and told hank he was on his way to the mh? Maybe Ron didn't ask Hank to go over there (like he said) but something about the conversation that Ron and Hank had, Hank felt the need to go check on his sister and waited around for Ron to get there. It's weird that Hank claims no one is there when he gets there but yet he ends up with a dead rat in his mailbox. Dead rats mean if you rat someone out you will die. What does Hank have to tell? Imo, it's all connected and Hank was there a lot longer than he said.
3. Ron did not get home a little after 3. What time did Ron get home? If not a little after 3, why lie? Imo, Ron was there way before 3 (let's say about 10:30). There was too much going on at that mh that evening. Too many people were called to that mh that evening to "Check On" either Misty or the kids.

Not to mention there was a police call from Hanks home about 2:13a that SAME evening-which someone there claims to have seen Haleigh 1-1 1/2 hours prior to the call at her mh. Depending on which call you use that would put someone from Tyler being at the mh between 12:30-2am-ish to see Haleigh there. Hank maybe? Hank and Jo? Why is everyone trying to avoid what happened after 10p? Misty is going to bed at 10, Hank goes there at 10p but noone is home, Ron is adamant that Misty went to bed at about 10-10:30 but yet he was supposedly at work and Misty had her phone off after the 8p argument up until the 911 call. How would he know what time she went to bed?

Do you see where I'm going with this? I wish they would find Haleigh.:banghead:

I forgot to mention the van. Did Hank call Timmy and Jo to assist him with this problem with Misty and Ron? Is that how the van got scratched? I wonder if LE compared the scratch on the van to the truck that Ron was driving? Just thinking out loud. I think there was a feud that night and it involved Ron, Hank, Jo, and possibly Timmy. That would explain why Jo left the next day in a hurry and NO ONE has been CLEARED. We know for a fact that this was a NON-STRANGER ABDUCTION.

Do we know why the police were on Tyler at 2:13 am? Do we also know that Misty went to Tyler AFTER the 911 call for sure?.....and why?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I know this could just be shoddy reporting, but in reading back through some docs, I found this:

The woman said the back door to the home was not locked at the time. Police found the door to the trailer unlocked when they arrived, but no sign of forced entry, according to Donaway

I had only heard MC stating she knew for sure the door was locked. Again, could certainly be bad reporting, but did she really say the door was unlocked in the beginning? Hmmmmm.

Then, the wording of LE finding the door "unlocked with no sign of forced entry" -- to me, doesn't sound like they found the door standing "wide open" as was reported by MC and RC. If so, I would think it would say "Police found the door propped open".

Also, looking back at Haleigh's school attendance record . . . First, I still can't believe how many days of school that girl missed or was tardy. Certainly says something there. Second, I noticed (for the first time, for whatever reason) that it shows her marked as present on 2/24. Obviously, she wasn't. Who marked that and why? If it was a mistake, could her being present that Monday also have been a mistake?

 

[News Junkie]

The wedding was supposed to be a reward for Misty keeping quiet and going along, which she has done. When pressured into the TM polygraphs and hypnosis, Hank and the Croslins tried to come to the rescue. RC ended up in jail and Misty’s brother had a restraining order placed against him by Misty.

Lets say that there wasn’t a big argument at or around 8:00 on Monday evening. Maybe Misty called RC and was half hysterical because something happened to Haleigh. IMO whatever happened to her, Ron knew exactly what it was, because he was responsible. I know he was at werk but still, it’s the only thing that adds up.

Misty calls her family, and her brothers and maybe cousin Joe show up to help her. TN and GGS were called by RC. Ron keeps calling Misty, she or someone turns the phone off.

LE needs to keep digging until they figure this case out; there could be more to this story than just a family affair. I say this because I find it amazing that this crew can cover for each other, I would think that the one with the least to lose would have cracked by now. Maybe they all have something on each other, so it’s like you tell on me, and guess what I’ll mention what you did or got involved with. We’ll all be in prison for one reason or another.

 

[suspicious1]

Do we know why the police were on Tyler at 2:13 am? Do we also know that Misty went to Tyler AFTER the 911 call for sure?.....and why?

We don't know what the call was about at 2:13a from Tyler but I would assume it had something to do with this case, otherwise why would Lt. Greenwood make that statement involving the Haleigh case about the first call they got was at 2:13a. He did not say if it was from over on Tyler but I would assume that it was because the first 911 call from the mh was at 3:27a.

IIRC Misty went to stay all night over on Tyler the night of tues. Feb.10. Didn't Ron stay in the tent? Misty didn't.

 

[Whisperer]

I can't even believe any of them stayed in tents. If rc has family living so close, why? Gads!..this family is weird! He puts up a tent and puts a flat screen in it? I think the tent was parked on the lawn of Tommy Croslin or close by. Misty must have stayed with Tommy. It wasn't long before somebody gave RC a motorhome to live in though.

I am surprised to hear that misty said the door was unlocked. NO, it was not wide open. It was ajar a few inches. The outer screen door was wide open...so she must have opened the inside door to look and see the screen door. I bet that cement block was always there and used by the tenants as there was no air lock on the screen door.

If you look at the attendance record again, you will see that the 9th of Feb. was smudged or erased. That at one time it said "U" for unexcused; it was later changed to "present".
Look at it again and read the typed in print that was added to explain the letters. It had to be added in. Who writes the dot (.) stands for present and not tardy? No need to explain the record either, as it is only for the employees. It appears somebody was trying to impress upon those viewing that Haleigh was never late on her dot (.) days. There it a "T" for tardy when she was yet the text HAS to go over the top to make sure everyone knows Haleigh was not ever late on those days. NOT any kind of attendance record I have seen. The type looks added after the fact....as the rest looks like it was a carbon.

I still don't know how or why Greenwood told us 2:13 as the time. He is the Spokesman for the police, you would think he had his facts straight. This is not the time frame we were told by LE. It appears that we got rc working till 3:00am (unverified) and the first call placed at 3:27am. I have no idea where 2:13 comes in. There is confusion on that dispatch release. there may be some info redacted...don't know.

This case is crazy and has managed to turn people off.

 

[LFlorida]

The one thing that is tripping y'all up is the work hours. His shift start time moved from 3:30 to 5:00 per Shoe [which don't even make sense and might account for his laying low in the media lately.JMO] Watch that shift time clock run backward a bit, too, for quittin' time.

Mark my words, ladies and gents: everything you think you know about Ron's alibi does not jibe with the truth. [That's my opinion based on FACTS I know.]

 

[Whisperer]

I agree with ya LF. I think the normal hours for second shift were 3:30 to 12:00am. I also think rc was never a crane operator either but most likely a fork lift operator at best.

I notice Shoey is laying low. He knows he may be asked some questions that will compromise his stance on rc and his words.

 

[LFlorida]

bbm
[B]They are all a part of this. I bet part of the plan orchestrated by TN was for no one to know that GMS had been in the mh because that would lead to finding out about the Aunt-the nurse. They did not want that to happen. She told MC to act like it was a normal night (after they left) with regular bedtime hours, the whole nine. As far as this visit from GMS and the nurse, they each had a story to tell.

Have we ever heard from Aunt Elisa?

I have wondered if Elisa didn't drive Annette over, given her driving ... er..... difficulties.

Misty-did as she was told and never mentioned the visit.

You win the LFlorida trophy for taa-daah! thinking like me!

TN-brought the visit up claiming to have sent A family member over to CHECK ON THE KIDS only when there was rumor of Misty not being there that night. Why would Tn then tell about sending someone over there? Why not entertain the possibility of Misty not being there? TN HAD to reveal that little bit of information...but why? Was Misty out with TN or GMs that night at some point? IJDK. It's funny how no one wanted to discuss the other family member who was there and has had NURSE TRAINING. Then here comes GMS-claiming to have been there but NEVER went inside, just there TO DROP OFF SOME CLOTHES. So which is it? Was GMS there to check on the kids or drop off some clothes? All LIES!!!!! Did we even hear from the Aunt? I haven't but why not? in my puzzle SHE is one of the missing pieces.

[/B]

Looking back at the old videos where LE says that they got additional information from the neighbors, I wonder if one or two didn't mention seeing one of the family's vehicles turn down that alley and onto Green which is not a frequently travelled "street".

Maybe Teresa and Annette were more concerned that Annette's [or Teresa's] vehicle was noticed and reported to LE by a neighbor and decided to throw the "I sent a family member over to check" out there just in case. Vague enough that it would be easy to go be more specific when they figured out which vehicle was seen there.

I am so sorry to even remotely suspect Teresa or Annette as having played any role in this tragedy, but there can be no other excuse for their words and behavior. They are covering for their beloved son/g'son, or they are covering for someone else. No way around that little kink that showed up in the plan.

IMO, OC.

 

[Baznme]

The one with the least to say for the past year is drawing my attention. That's all I'm willing to comment at this time. The truth will prevail.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I agree with ya LF. I think the normal hours for second shift were 3:30 to 12:00am. I also think rc was never a crane operator either but most likely a fork lift operator at best.

I notice Shoey is laying low. He knows he may be asked some questions that will compromise his stance on rc and his words.

Well if Ronald got out of work at midnight that could explain why Misty's voice stress analysis showed as unsure when she was asked if Ronald could have done something to HaLeigh. Maybe Misty was sleeping when Ronald got home shortly after midnight but HaLeigh woke up because she had wet the bed and her cloths were wet too and Ronald lost it. That could also explain why Misty didn't know what HaLeigh was wearing because Ronald may have started to clean her up so he took her cloths off, hence the pink shirt in the laundry. Some kids hate having their shirts pulled over their heads regardless of how gentle you try to be but imagine if Ronald was pizzed at her for wetting herself and he roughly yanked the shirt off over her head hurting her and she begins to fuss which in turn escalates his anger. He's pizzed because he came home to "this" and all the while Misty is sleeping like a log.

When he realized that he'd gone too far this time, he could have called Teresa in a panic and maybe Teresa asked him where Misty was when "it" happened and he told her that she never heard a thing, she slept right through it and she was still out cold. That could be when/how the plan hatched. Ronald could get rid of HaLeigh, stage the back door to make it look like someone came in and took HaLeigh while Misty was sleeping. He'd go to the store, get beer and peanuts and alibi himself on surveillance video, then go back home, wake Misty up yelling and asking her "Where the f*** is my daughter b****?!! Acting as if he'd just gotten home from werk, noticed the backdoor was "wide open" and HaLeigh missing. All while he was at werk... I think it's possible.
JMHO -

 

[nomoresorrow]

While Misty may not know consciously, so to say, what happened because she was sleeping, perhaps it was Ronald she saw/heard in her dream, thinking that it was only a dream. But now, in retrospect, she's not sure if she was dreaming or it was really real and that may be where the doubt registered about Ronald on the voice stress analysis. Just a thought -

 

[nomoresorrow]

I can't even believe any of them stayed in tents. If rc has family living so close, why? Gads!..this family is weird! He puts up a tent and puts a flat screen in it? I think the tent was parked on the lawn of Tommy Croslin or close by. Misty must have stayed with Tommy. It wasn't long before somebody gave RC a motorhome to live in though.

I am surprised to hear that misty said the door was unlocked. NO, it was not wide open. It was ajar a few inches. The outer screen door was wide open...so she must have opened the inside door to look and see the screen door. I bet that cement block was always there and used by the tenants as there was no air lock on the screen door.

If you look at the attendance record again, you will see that the 9th of Feb. was smudged or erased. That at one time it said "U" for unexcused; it was later changed to "present".
Look at it again and read the typed in print that was added to explain the letters. It had to be added in. Who writes the dot (.) stands for present and not tardy? No need to explain the record either, as it is only for the employees. It appears somebody was trying to impress upon those viewing that Haleigh was never late on her dot (.) days. There it a "T" for tardy when she was yet the text HAS to go over the top to make sure everyone knows Haleigh was not ever late on those days. NOT any kind of attendance record I have seen. The type looks added after the fact....as the rest looks like it was a carbon.

I still don't know how or why Greenwood told us 2:13 as the time. He is the Spokesman for the police, you would think he had his facts straight. This is not the time frame we were told by LE. It appears that we got rc working till 3:00am (unverified) and the first call placed at 3:27am. I have no idea where 2:13 comes in. There is confusion on that dispatch release. there may be some info redacted...don't know.

This case is crazy and has managed to turn people off.

How did HaLeigh's attendance record become public really? I've heard some say that KP released it but does anyone actually have any verification of that? There had been alot of talk and speculation early on about HaLeigh attending/not attending school that day and, IMO, Ronald is the one who seriously benefited from putting the attendance record out there because it (supposedly) shows HaLeigh as present in school that day. I'm sure that TN and/or Ron could have easily gotten a copy of HaLeigh's attendance record too... JMHO -

 

[Crosby87]

I can't even believe any of them stayed in tents. If rc has family living so close, why? Gads!..this family is weird! He puts up a tent and puts a flat screen in it? I think the tent was parked on the lawn of Tommy Croslin or close by. Misty must have stayed with Tommy. It wasn't long before somebody gave RC a motorhome to live in though.

I am surprised to hear that misty said the door was unlocked. NO, it was not wide open. It was ajar a few inches. The outer screen door was wide open...so she must have opened the inside door to look and see the screen door. I bet that cement block was always there and used by the tenants as there was no air lock on the screen door.

If you look at the attendance record again, you will see that the 9th of Feb. was smudged or erased. That at one time it said "U" for unexcused; it was later changed to "present".
Look at it again and read the typed in print that was added to explain the letters. It had to be added in. Who writes the dot (.) stands for present and not tardy? No need to explain the record either, as it is only for the employees. It appears somebody was trying to impress upon those viewing that Haleigh was never late on her dot (.) days. There it a "T" for tardy when she was yet the text HAS to go over the top to make sure everyone knows Haleigh was not ever late on those days. NOT any kind of attendance record I have seen. The type looks added after the fact....as the rest looks like it was a carbon.

I still don't know how or why Greenwood told us 2:13 as the time. He is the Spokesman for the police, you would think he had his facts straight. This is not the time frame we were told by LE. It appears that we got rc working till 3:00am (unverified) and the first call placed at 3:27am. I have no idea where 2:13 comes in. There is confusion on that dispatch release. there may be some info redacted...don't know.

This case is crazy and has managed to turn people off.

Ron had free food catered in from restaurants and since there were no washer and dryer in the tent TMK, someone else was likely doing it for him.

According to one reporter who interviewed Ronald as he was leaving the tattoo parlor, Ron was elated with the amount of money he was receiving from the public after his daughter went missing. I wonder if Ron asked Misty if she wanted to join him and get a tattoo of HaLeigh too?

If Ron was selling drugs from his car and home to supplement his income from PDM Bridge, he must have had to stop completely because he could no longer "do what he wanted" according to Ronald. Was TN paying Ronald's rent?

In the LVA, Misty said she knew HaLeigh for about 1 year. Is this right?

 

[debs]

*snipped*
He'd go to the store, get beer and peanuts and alibi himself on surveillance video, then go back home, wake Misty up yelling and asking her "Where the f*** is my daughter b****?!! Acting as if he'd just gotten home from werk, noticed the backdoor was "wide open" and HaLeigh missing. All while he was at werk... I think it's possible.
JMHO -

This is one of the first things I'd heard regarding what might have happened: That Ronald came home and woke Misty up and said Haleigh was missing.

 

[News Junkie]

If LE was called earlier in the morning, by someone other than Misty, we are thinking that it was Tommy because that is where the Police report indicates that they went. However it could have been someone else, maybe another neighbor, what about the one that moved out shortly after Haleigh disappeared? For some reason these people are scared to death. Really makes me wonder…Doesn’t anyone in that “neck of the woods” have a backbone.

 

[lil momma]

I am wondering why almost a year later, we still don't know who pick HaLeigh up from the bus stop and we still have no confirmation of the hours worked by Ron.

I was thinking about Ron's work hours. If it is true that there are two shifts at PDM and Ron worked the second shift (3:30-12am)

with that said i am wondering IF it is true the talk early on that Ron was seen drunk and in another town (Cresent City, i thought, but could be wrong) and he shows up to work at 7pm instead of 3:30pm, then those extra hours worked (till 3am) would have been to make up the difference in time that he missed by being late. (7pm-3:30am is 8 1/2 hours & 5pm-12am is 8 1/2 hours)

To me, and this is JMO, it would make more sense that Ron went into work late that night, and had to make up the extra hours, rather than, him working extra hours b/c he was asked to. Especially when he was unable to get a hold of Misty since the 8pm argument, then stops at the store.

The thing that doesn't make sense is that IF Ron had no knowledge prior to arriving at work that something happened to HaLeigh, then why wasn't there any urgency after the 8pm argument, to make sure that his children were safe. He lallygagged all the way home and even stopped at the store before going home.

JMO