When Was Haleigh Last Seen?

[debs]

and if I remember correctly the lawyer even gave the number of minutes it took for Ron to get to work....what a jerk

As I recall, that number of minutes was a sliding scale for the attorney.

 

[DenVIP]

As I recall, that number of minutes was a sliding scale for the attorney.

again I recall this as another case of follow Rons lead.....so this info is somewhat tainted

 

[charminglane]

Other than drugs, if HaLeigh were hurt or dead, why NOT call 911?
I hold all your scenarios in high regard, however, I want to know why? The other side of her family has more to gain by her going missing.

 

[Baznme]

Other than drugs, if HaLeigh were hurt or dead, why NOT call 911?
I hold all your scenarios in high regard, however, I want to know why? The other side of her family has more to gain by her going missing.

Please Charminglane........the other side of the family was not looking at a contempt of court charge because Haleigh had already missed so much school so I doubt that back child support was near enough of a motive to do something like this. The other side of the family doesn't seem to have members with a reputation for having a volitile temper and going off like a firecracker every time something doesn't go quite right. Personality characteristics that have shown their ugly head since this investigation began are quite telling IMO and when everything like cars, tattoos, women, people involved in drugs that you don't want to get caught in (because you'll do time) take precedence over what you can offer by talking to the police, the red arrows start pointing at you.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

(bbm) I think it's possible too nms... only I'd have MC gone since, no matter how "tired," I don't believe she could've been in that mh and slept thru a homicidal rage. IMO this scenario could've easily taken place were MC not home as expected, but kids left there alone at the time RC pays a surprise visit and shows up early. The rest isn't hard for me to envision.

Actually it can/has happened kiki. I know of a case here where a mother, enraged at her 5 year-old child for wetting the bed, held the child's head in the toilet bowl, drowning her, while her husband and the other children were fast asleep and never heard a thing. Just saying that there are ways to unleash "homicidal rage" without others hearing AND without leaving a bloody scene... JMHO -

 

[suspicious1]

I thought that it was about 2am, debs. That makes me wonder if the call at 2:13 supposedly from Tyler actually came from the neighbor on Green Ln who heard the screams. It's highly possible that the neighbor was the one who called the NON EMERGENCY line to report there suspicions/screams. Perhaps a patrol car went to the neighbors house first on Green Ln to speak with the neighbor and was given a description of the people/vehicles involved in the disturbance which led the patrol car over to Tyler St.
In the radio transcript the officer that was at Tyler said that he was on his way BACK to Green Ln.

This transcript makes me think that-at 2:13a a neighbor calls the police line complaining about a domestic disturbance (woman screaming) outside on Green Ln., patrol unit goes out there but sees no one in the area so they go to the address that called it in. Those witnesses claim to have seen and recognized one of the Croslins and the vehicle they were driving so the patrol unit heads over to the Croslins Tyler address. While there they get a call that Haleigh is missing from Green Ln. It's weird how Haleigh goes "missing" right after a disturbance on the same street.
Amongst Family Members!

snipped from transcript:

OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26. (it seems as if no one knew he was there)
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..

bbm
This is the radio transmission AFTER the 911 call from Misty. At that time there was an officer at 116 Tyler headed BACK to Green. That goes along with an officer visiting another residence on Green BEFORE going to Tyler and BEFORE the 911 call from Misty was made. Perhaps from the person who heard screams that night?

Let's say the neighbor calls in the suspicious activity at 2:13a. Let's say it takes the patrol car about 15 mins to get there (estimating here), that would put a patrol car on Green Ln at about 2:30. Whatever information they gathered from this visit sent them to 116 Tyler. Let's say the officer ended up on Tyler at about 3a. While there (probably 20-30 mins at most) they receive the information concerning a missing child from Green Ln at 3:27a.
Now
If this is the radio transmission from the 911 call from Misty, that statement regarding Haleigh being seen within her residence 1-1 1/2 hours ago would mean someone from Tyler was at that residence at about 2a-ish.
Misty's 911 call came in at 3:27(?)
1-1 1/2 hours prior to that would be 2-2:30am.
Someone from Tyler was there between 2-2:30a, when the neighbor heard the screams.

That tells me that Hank&company DID see Haleigh about 2-2:30 but she was not asleep SHE WAS DEAD. (maybe they didn't know that at the time)
-And that tells me that when GMS and the NURSE went to check on Haleigh she may have been still alive but barely holding on. Maybe they did what the could and prayed and hoped that it would help and Haleigh would eventually be ok. So they leave BUT later on that night Haleigh DIES. Which would account for Haleigh still being in the mh at 2-2:30 when she was last seen by someone on Tyler.

It all fits together, imo. There must have been an altercation on Green Ln before Haliegh was reported missing and the information given led police to Tyler St. Maybe when the police heard over the radio about the missing girl from Green Ln, they asked the people from Tyler if they had seen her since they had just previously been in that area. Someone said "yes-about 1-1 1/2 hours ago". (2-2:30a)

Not to mention Lt. Greenwood saying that the initial call came in at 2:13a. Why would he include that call as part of this investigation? What was going on 2-2:30a that night? My gut feeling tells me that there was a altercation (screams) involving a group of individuals related to this case. Maybe that's why I suspect that LE knows Ron was not at work until 3.....because he was involved in the altercation that occurred between 2-2:30. (Commotion may also equal scratched van) What if the neighbor told police that they heard screaming and what sounded like a car accident/crash?
Scratch on blue van could've been caused by THIS accident/crash. What if the police canvassed the area looking for this VAN that was damaged, after speaking to the neighbors? And police found the scratched van at 116 Tyler. Possible. I think Jo is nervous about the ACCIDENT because he was the one driving the van and having it without permission (wasn't he already on probation?) The next day Jo gets the hell out of dodge.

Ok I know that Ron was seen on surveillance at the store and many people questioned why Ron would pass his house to go to the store when, if he was coming from work, there were stores along the way between PDM and the mh.

If you go with this theory: Ron went to that particular store because he was closest to it at that time. He wasn't coming from work, imo, he was coming from home. Let's say if there was an altercation 2-2:30a on Green and Hank&company went straight back to Tyler and guess what? Ron went to the store. They all probably feared that someone was going to call the police anyway because of the commotion and they all scattered like roaches including Ron (trip to the store). He needed a beer and cigarettes after all that commotion!

What if when they all scattered, a paranoid Ron quickly disposed of Haleigh at that dumpster (cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster). He put her there fearing the police would be showing up at the mh regarding the ACCIDENT involving the blue van. He had to hide Haleigh and fast. Isn't the dumpster enroute to the store? Maybe Ron drove around looking for a good hiding spot for her-(I found it odd that the dogs tracked Haleigh scent like in a circle and then down Tyler).
Imo, I don't think the tracking dogs were only tracking Haleigh's scent but also RONS. Especially when they tracked the scent to the pond, the outhouse(?), and then the well, back to the house, in a circle and then down Tyler.
Let me explain: If Ron was just in an altercation 2-2:30a he probably had drugs and weapons (unregistered) in his possession. AFTER everybody scattered I can see a nervous Ron running frantically out the backdoor looking for a place to hide the drugs and weapons, he ends up at the pond gets rid of his stash, stops by the outhouse(?) to catch is breath, stop by the well to wash his hands/drink of water, and then heads back to the mh where he then gets in the car with Haleigh, drives around looking for someplace to put her, after going in a circle he finds the dumpster on Tyler(?). He then heads to the store and back at the mh by 3:25a. I think Ron had enough time from 2:30-3:25 to pull this off. Anyone?

After he got back from the store, guzzled down his beer, smoked a few cigarettes.....It was time to make the call-

3:27a Haleigh is Missing.

bbm
That would explain NO ONE being CLEARED and police quickly coming to the conclusion that this was NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION. At 2-2:30 Haleigh would have been around everyone that she personally knew (Misty, Ron, Hank, Timmy(?), and Jo). I'm quite sure when the officer was on Tyler that he not only asked "when was Haleigh last seen" BUT ALSO "what was she doing when she was last seen?" It just makes sense to ask that question also. I wonder if they said that she was asleep? Not knowing that she was actually dead? Did police use that bit of info to turn this into a homocide case (using homocide detectives, and draining ponds looking for a dead Haleigh).

Who would've had the time to eventually move Haleigh from the dumpster? TN -in a red truck near the railroad tracks that night?

 

[lonetraveler]

Well if Ronald got out of work at midnight that could explain why Misty's voice stress analysis showed as unsure when she was asked if Ronald could have done something to HaLeigh. Maybe Misty was sleeping when Ronald got home shortly after midnight but HaLeigh woke up because she had wet the bed and her cloths were wet too and Ronald lost it. That could also explain why Misty didn't know what HaLeigh was wearing because Ronald may have started to clean her up so he took her cloths off, hence the pink shirt in the laundry. Some kids hate having their shirts pulled over their heads regardless of how gentle you try to be but imagine if Ronald was pizzed at her for wetting herself and he roughly yanked the shirt off over her head hurting her and she begins to fuss which in turn escalates his anger. He's pizzed because he came home to "this" and all the while Misty is sleeping like a log.

When he realized that he'd gone too far this time, he could have called Teresa in a panic and maybe Teresa asked him where Misty was when "it" happened and he told her that she never heard a thing, she slept right through it and she was still out cold. That could be when/how the plan hatched. Ronald could get rid of HaLeigh, stage the back door to make it look like someone came in and took HaLeigh while Misty was sleeping. He'd go to the store, get beer and peanuts and alibi himself on surveillance video, then go back home, wake Misty up yelling and asking her "Where the f*** is my daughter b****?!! Acting as if he'd just gotten home from werk, noticed the backdoor was "wide open" and HaLeigh missing. All while he was at werk... I think it's possible.
JMHO -

Reading your posts was chilling to say the least but very believable. Has a photo of the pink shirt been published anywhere? I'm wondering what kind of neckline it has. I'm having this awful visual of Ron yanking the shirt up in the air so hard that it lifts Haleigh off the floor and breaks her neck....Yeah, you're right I have a horrible imagination.

 

[lonetraveler]

bbm
That would explain NO ONE being CLEARED and police quickly coming to the conclusion that this was NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION. At 2-2:30 Haleigh would have been around everyone that she personally knew (Misty, Ron, Hank, Timmy(?), and Jo). I'm quite sure when the officer was on Tyler that he not only asked "when was Haleigh last seen" BUT ALSO "what was she doing when she was last seen?" It just makes sense to ask that question also. I wonder if they said that she was asleep? Not knowing that she was actually dead? Did police use that bit of info to turn this into a homocide case (using homocide detectives, and draining ponds looking for a dead Haleigh).

Who would've had the time to eventually move Haleigh from the dumpster? TN -in a red truck near the railroad tracks that night?

I just can't for the life of me believe that the GGMS would ever not call 911 or take Haleigh to the hospital. I believe that Haleigh was dead when GGMS arrived and the "Nurse/Aunt" confirmed it. I can see where Ron would put Haleigh beside the dumpster to await someone to pick her up and dispose of her. I can't see TN doing this, however I can see her picking up Ron's Uncle to help with the deed.

 

[lonetraveler]

(BBM)


Actually it can/has happened kiki. I know of a case here where a mother, enraged at her 5 year-old child for wetting the bed, held the child's head in the toilet bowl, drowning her, while her husband and the other children were fast asleep and never heard a thing. Just saying that there are ways to unleash "homicidal rage" without others hearing AND without leaving a bloody scene... JMHO -

Sad to say but I feel that screaming, cussing and just raising hell was probably a common occurence in that household. Just look at what we have been privy to since this case began?

 

[nomoresorrow]

Originally Posted by nomoresorrow
Well if Ronald got out of work at midnight that could explain why Misty's voice stress analysis showed as unsure when she was asked if Ronald could have done something to HaLeigh. Maybe Misty was sleeping when Ronald got home shortly after midnight but HaLeigh woke up because she had wet the bed and her cloths were wet too and Ronald lost it. That could also explain why Misty didn't know what HaLeigh was wearing because Ronald may have started to clean her up so he took her cloths off, hence the pink shirt in the laundry. Some kids hate having their shirts pulled over their heads regardless of how gentle you try to be but imagine if Ronald was pizzed at her for wetting herself and he roughly yanked the shirt off over her head hurting her and she begins to fuss which in turn escalates his anger. He's pizzed because he came home to "this" and all the while Misty is sleeping like a log.

When he realized that he'd gone too far this time, he could have called Teresa in a panic and maybe Teresa asked him where Misty was when "it" happened and he told her that she never heard a thing, she slept right through it and she was still out cold. That could be when/how the plan hatched. Ronald could get rid of HaLeigh, stage the back door to make it look like someone came in and took HaLeigh while Misty was sleeping. He'd go to the store, get beer and peanuts and alibi himself on surveillance video, then go back home, wake Misty up yelling and asking her "Where the f*** is my daughter b****?!! Acting as if he'd just gotten home from werk, noticed the backdoor was "wide open" and HaLeigh missing. All while he was at werk... I think it's possible.
JMHO -

Originally Posted by lonetraveler;
Reading your posts was chilling to say the least but very believable. Has a photo of the pink shirt been published anywhere? I'm wondering what kind of neckline it has. I'm having this awful visual of Ron yanking the shirt up in the air so hard that it lifts Haleigh off the floor and breaks her neck....Yeah, you're right I have a horrible imagination.

I don't believe that there's a published picture of the shirt - at least I haven't seen one. I'm a visual person too lone so I see everything in pictures and yes, it can be horrific. This scenerio initially evolved after repeatedly seeing that smirk (*hiteating grin) on Ronald's face and his confidence in Misty's innocence - so much so that he married her. IMO no one can be that confident of someone's innocence unless they know something firsthand. JMHO -

 

[kiki the parrot]

That makes me wonder if the call at 2:13 supposedly from Tyler actually came from the neighbor on Green Ln who heard the screams. It's highly possible that the neighbor was the one who called the NON EMERGENCY line to report there suspicions/screams. Perhaps a patrol car went to the neighbors house first on Green Ln to speak with the neighbor and was given a description of the people/vehicles involved in the disturbance which led the patrol car over to Tyler St.
In the radio transcript the officer that was at Tyler said that he was on his way BACK to Green Ln.

snipped from transcript:

OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..

bbm
This is the radio transmission AFTER the 911 call from Misty. At that time there was an officer at 116 Tyler headed BACK to Green. That goes along with an officer visiting another residence on Green BEFORE going to Tyler and BEFORE the 911 call from Misty was made. Perhaps from the person who heard screams that night?

Let's say the neighbor calls in the suspicious activity at 2:13a. Let's say it takes the patrol car about 15 mins to get there (estimating here), that would put a patrol car on Green Ln at about 2:30. Whatever information they gathered from this visit sent them to 116 Tyler. Let's say the officer ended up on Tyler at about 3a. While there (probably 20-30 mins at most) they receive the information concerning a missing child from Green Ln at 3:27a.
Now
If this is the radio transmission from the 911 call from Misty, that statement regarding Haleigh being seen within her residence 1-1 1/2 hours ago would mean someone from Tyler was at that residence at about 2a-ish.
Misty's 911 call came in at 3:27(?)
1-1 1/2 hours prior to that would be 2-2:30am.
Someone from Tyler was there between 2-2:30a, when the neighbor heard the screams.

It all fits together, imo. There must have been an altercation on Green Ln before Haliegh was reported missing and the information given led police to Tyler St. Maybe when the police heard over the radio about the missing girl from Green Ln, they asked the people from Tyler if they had seen her since they had just previously been in that area. Someone said "yes-about 1-1 1/2 hours ago". (2-2:30a)

Not to mention Lt. Greenwood saying that the initial call came in at 2:13a. Why would he include that call as part of this investigation? What was going on 2-2:30a that night? My gut feeling tells me that there was a altercation (screams) involving a group of individuals related to this case. Maybe that's why I suspect that LE knows Ron was not at work until 3.....because he was involved in the altercation that occurred between 2-2:30. (Commotion may also equal scratched van)
Ok I know that Ron was seen on surveillance at the store and many people questioned why Ron would pass his house to go to the store when if he was coming from work, there were stores along the way between PDM and the mh.

If you go with this theory: Ron went to that particular store because he was closest to it at that time. He wasn't coming from work, imo, he was coming from home. Let's say if there was an altercation 2-2:30a on Green and Hank&company went straight back to Tyler and guess what? Ron went to the store. They all probably feared that someone was going to call the police anyway because of the commotion and they all scattered like roaches including Ron (trip to the store). He needed a beer and cigarettes after all that commotion!

After he got back from the store, guzzled down his beer, smoked a few cigarettes.....It was time to make the call-3:27a Haleigh is Missing.

You're right lonetraveler, it was made using the Non-emergency line. That makes me believe that whoever called in at 2:13 felt it was not a 911 sitaution. Awhile back I called dispatch here in ky and asked what would be reasons for someone calling the non emergency line as oppose to 911. The first reason dispatcher had given me was "suspicious activity". She also said noise disturbances like loud music complaints. So it could be possible that a neighbor made that call about the noise.

A call to LE on a non-emergency line would most likely be made either re a questionable disturbance (to request wellness check) or if there was someone at PCSO w whom they wished to speak personally. In light of yelling heard, it's very likely that's what prompted it.

BBM: Your theory explains a few things to me and seems to be very plausible. I have read it three times and each time it makes more sense than anything I have read regarding the timeline just prior to the 911 call. One question to all of you: Who do you think is the woman who was screaming? a. Misty b. GGMS c. TN d. Lisa Croslin e. Someone else

(bbm) It seems far less likely that this was Haleigh herself (IIRC it was reported to be a "woman yelling") or at time of incident itself and much more apt to have been time when someone was informed of Haleigh's death, or an altercation about her having gone "missing" or w/e happened.

The most plausible shared culpability or other scenario which can otherwise account IMO for odd alliance between RC and MC would still be that RC came home while MC was still absent from home. Seething that MC is not where he expects her and told her to be, a urine-soaked bed eg further enrages him, thus RC's temper responsible--yet he blames MC for leaving and "causing" it all in the first place. He then removes Haleigh from the home before MC returns. In that case it would most likely be MC heard screaming after RC (knowing full well he is responsible but furious she left) finds MC at which point there is a heated confrontation for not staying w kids all under pretense of giving her the "news" she "let his daughter get stole."

But this would leave only happenstance and benign motives to account for GMS' and Nurse Elisa's visit earlier in the eve--because if this is after w/e tragedy occurs, then it is from these individuals, and at that time during which aid or damage control is most likely being sought. This is one of 2 possible explanations for GMS' slowness in divulging her alleged drive-by laundry delivery... the other of course being that she really never did actually see Haleigh but in which she also seeks to stretch timeline beyond RC's arrival for usual scheduled shift.

In any event I am convinced TN was contacted prior to 911 call being placed. If RC left werk earlier than believed, and injured HC himself upon his return, the screams could have been TN arriving and being given the news. However my inclination is that the sort of yelling which would prompt even a non-emergency call to police is specifically that of an altercation of some sort.

Thus my interpretation--strictly of the earlier call to LE and "woman yelling" reported by neighbor--is that MC is still at Tyler w TC and others, w or w/out children, when RC gets off work... then he goes by Tyler where he angrily confronts MC around 2:13 at which time non-emergency call is placed from there; then drags her home to Green La where the volatile argument continues and is overheard by neighbor minutes later at 2:25-2:30 am. JMO

arrot:

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes, LT, I also remember AS saying that RC has also called her. She did not answer it but DID answer the call when TN called after rc. How she got there before 4:00am is anyone's guess. She should not have been allowed in but she was. I have to assume these two ladies arrived VERY early.

RC, IMO, called them before 911. TN had to have called her before also..IMO. Did they arrive together? How in the world did they get into the crime scene?

If anyone cares to figure out the time again, have at it! 911 call was over at 3:33. RC called her after that as he was screaming and cursing at Misty at the very end of the call to give him the F$#$g phone.
TN had been at the scene, spoke to LE and then called Crystal by 3:49...not possible, according to my accounting.

BBM: This part has always been a bit confusing to me since we know that they both had a phone. Why was Ron screaming and cussing at her to give him the phone? You are right, a lot happened all at once at an unbelievable rate of speed. Makes you think that TN and GGMS were sitting just down the road waiting for the cell phone to ring so that they could rush right over. There has been comments made that a LOT of traffice was in and out of that location all night. I wish we had more information about that part. Need our locals to come back............LOL, your cleaning up the F word reminds me of how I really messed up over the weekend in a seafood restaurant trying to order "freshly shucked clams" after two glasses of wine................:angel:

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I think you're probably right on the mark w/this. Gotta try to get it straight in my head though - might take me a day or so, lol.

Only thing I see "wrong" is that the neighbor would've called 911, I think, not the 9-0800 #.

Also, the quickest, shortest route to Green Ln goes right past the Croslin's house on Tyler. [I'm not sure what, if anything, I'm trying to say with this part. sorry.]

BBM --

Although, from what we've seen, this whole clan has regular scuffles, criminal mishaps and other illegal doings. Maybe the neighbor or whoever called is so used to their "activities" that calling the main number was just habit. Maybe they knew it wasn't a real emergency, more just wanted the clan to be "talked to".

 

[suspicious1]

bbm
That would explain NO ONE being CLEARED and police quickly coming to the conclusion that this was NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION. At 2-2:30 Haleigh would have been around everyone that she personally knew (Misty, Ron, Hank, Timmy(?), and Jo). I'm quite sure when the officer was on Tyler that he not only asked "when was Haleigh last seen" BUT ALSO "what was she doing when she was last seen?" It just makes sense to ask that question also. I wonder if they said that she was asleep? Not knowing that she was actually dead? Did police use that bit of info to turn this into a homocide case (using homocide detectives, and draining ponds looking for a dead Haleigh).

Who would've had the time to eventually move Haleigh from the dumpster? TN -in a red truck near the railroad tracks that night?

If that neighbor wouldn't have called the police that night, I wonder, how long would it have taken Misty and Ron to notify the police that Haleigh was "missing"?

Did police search around TN's residence at the time? I can't remember. Somebody helped him because once he got back to the mh at 3:27, he wouldn't have had time to go back to move Haleigh. He wouldn't have had time because the cops were already on their way to the mh. So who stepped in? Whose backing both stories, Misty and Ron's? Who showed up at the scene in record time with a picture of Haleigh in hand? Who didn't want us to know that she sent a relative over to the mh to check on the kids that evening?
TN
OR Did Misty go and move Haleigh? The evening of Feb 10 Misty spent the night on Tyler while Ron slept in a tent. Did Misty sneak out of the house on Tyler taking the red truck as transportation? Did she use that vehicle to hide Haleigh elsewhere? What if Misty told Hank about it, prompting Hank to sell the truck in a hurry. What about the red rose Misty told TM about after their search? TM went back out to do another search when they actually found the rose she was referring to. The rose puzzled me for a long time but now I wonder if that is where Haleighs body is and no one has found her. Imo, she's close.

 

[lonetraveler]

A call to LE on a non-emergency line would most likely be made either re a questionable disturbance (to request wellness check) or if there was someone at PCSO w whom they wished to speak personally. In light of yelling heard, it's very likely that's what prompted it.



(bbm) It seems far less likely that this was Haleigh herself (IIRC it was reported to be a "woman yelling") or at time of incident itself and much more apt to have been time when someone was informed of Haleigh's death, or an altercation about her having gone "missing" or w/e happened.

The most plausible shared culpability or other scenario which can otherwise account IMO for odd alliance between RC and MC would still be that RC came home while MC was still absent from home. Seething that MC is not where he expects her and told her to be, a urine-soaked bed eg further enrages him, thus RC's temper responsible--yet he blames MC for leaving and "causing" it all in the first place. He then removes Haleigh from the home before MC returns. In that case it would most likely be MC heard screaming when RC (knowing full well he is responsible but furious she left) finds MC at which point there is a heated confrontation for not staying w kids all while acting under pretense of giving her the "news" she "let his daughter get stole."

But this would leave only happenstance and benign motives to account for GMS' and Nurse Elisa's visit earlier in the eve--because if this is after w/e tragedy occurs, then it is IMO at that time which aid or damage control is most likely being sought. This is one of 2 possible explanations for GMS' slowness in divulging her alleged drive-by laundry delivery... the other of course being that she really never did actually see Haleigh but in which she also seeks to stretch timeline beyond RC's arrival for usual scheduled shift.

In any event I am convinced TN was contacted prior to 911 call being placed. If RC left werk earlier than believed, and injured HC himself upon his return, the screams could have been TN arriving and being given the news. However my inclination is that the sort of yelling which would prompt even non-emergency call to police is specifically that of an altercation of some sort.

Thus my interpretation strictly of the earlier call to LE and "woman yelling" reported by neighbor is that MC had been at Tyler w TC and others, w or w/out children, when RC gets off work--then he goes by Tyler where he angrily confronts MC at 2:13 when non-emergency call is placed from there; then RC drags her home to 202 Green La where their argument escalates and is overheard a few minutes later at 2:25-2:30 am. JMO

arrot:

I thought about the screaming woman being Misty after learning that Haleigh is dead just after returning home. but, you are correct, if could have been TN just finding out that Haleigh died, but then again, it is difficult to believe that GGMS would keep something like this from her. I do believe that RC is responsible for what happened to Haleigh, either accidental or in a fit of rage. I have a problem with TN arriving that late (around 2:00 am) after hearing about an accident or event resulting with a mortal injury to Haleigh. Of course, we still don't know when this happened, I suspect the "event" happened just prior to GGMS coming over with the Nurse/Aunt. I would think that Misty would have to be drilled over and over again in order to get the "story" straight. I doubt that she could do that so quickly if she had just learned about Haleigh at around 2:00 amish. At this point, I think that we are really close to figuring this out, just need to fine tune things a bit.

 

[nomoresorrow]

BBM --

Although, from what we've seen, this whole clan has regular scuffles, criminal mishaps and other illegal doings. Maybe the neighbor or whoever called is so used to their "activities" that calling the main number was just habit. Maybe they knew it wasn't a real emergency, more just wanted the clan to be "talked to".

That's what I was thinking too - someone who had repeated issues with Ron such as complaints of driving too fast thru the MH park, garbage not being contained and blowing into the neighbor's yards...


MOO -

 

[nomoresorrow]

If that neighbor wouldn't have called the police that night, I wonder, how long would it have taken Misty and Ron to notify the police that Haleigh was "missing"?

Did police search around TN's residence at the time? I can't remember. Somebody helped him because once he got back to the mh at 3:27, he wouldn't have had time to go back to move Haleigh. He wouldn't have had time because the cops were already on their way to the mh. So who stepped in? Whose backing both stories, Misty and Ron's? Who showed up at the scene in record time with a picture of Haleigh in hand? Who didn't want us to know that she sent a relative over to the mh to check on the kids that evening?

TN OR Did Misty go and move Haleigh? The evening of Feb 10 Misty spent the night on Tyler while Ron slept in a tent. Did Misty sneak out of the house on Tyler taking the red truck as transportation? Did she use that vehicle to hide Haleigh elsewhere? What if Misty told Hank about it, prompting Hank to sell the truck in a hurry. What about the red rose Misty told TM about after their search? TM went back out to do another search when they actually found the rose she was referring to. The rose puzzled me for a long time but now I wonder if that is where Haleighs body is and no one has found her. Imo, she's close.

Wasn't Ron's tent/than a motorhome conveniently parked near the dumpster that the dogs hit on...eventually?

JMHO -

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't believe that there's a published picture of the shirt - at least I haven't seen one. I'm a visual person too lone so I see everything in pictures and yes, it can be horrific. This scenerio initially evolved after repeatedly seeing that smirk (*hiteating grin) on Ronald's face and his confidence in Misty's innocence - so much so that he married her. IMO no one can be that confident of someone's innocence unless they know something firsthand. JMHO -

I totally agree with your observation. Ron's arrogant smirk convinced me too that his confidence in Misty's innocence was due to him knowing that he killed Haleigh. That is what made me "know" that Haleigh was dead and that he knew exactly what happened to her.

 

[lonetraveler]

Wasn't Ron's tent/than a motorhome conveniently parked near the dumpster that the dogs hit on...eventually?

JMHO -

It was a Travel Trailer (camper) that someone pulled in and donated to him to stay in. And yes, it was very near the dumpster. I will always believe the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LFlorida]

I hope so, but IDK. Hopefully Teresa's jacket tipped them off ASAP that there was major hink going on.

Photos from the earliest days show LE really focusing under the docks on Seven Sisters Islands. [That's what stood out to me, anyway. I'll bring back a link if needed. They're on jacksonville.com in the photos section. Haleigh Cummings albums.]

The Wedding Search [that they all managed to pretend wasn't happening - too weird] might have been done somewhere near Pettit Rd. off of Hwy 17S. They brought in outside LE personnel to assist, iirc.