Who is the Third Party that Arranged Gabe's Handoff?

[Dawn316]

Thank You BeanE..I'll get the hang of it...hopefully soon! You are such a wonderful inspiration to me!!

 

[kappy50]

Well, I'm still not ready to vote yet...I've been using the calendar alot this morning. Help me here, anyone if you can.

1. It would be interesting to know when EJ picked up GB on the 18th what conversations transpired. I'm sure we won't know that.
2. Didn't TS say she was in contact with EJ that whole week ?? If so why did she go to the trailer on the 22nd or 23rd. She had to know she wasn't there, I would think, but maybe not.
3. It would be nice to know exactly what date they did go there, as that might answer as to whom EJ was arguing with at the salon on the 22nd.

 

[BeanE]

Well, I'm still not ready to vote yet...I've been using the calendar alot this morning. Help me here, anyone if you can.

1. It would be interesting to know when EJ picked up GB on the 18th what conversations transpired. I'm sure we won't know that.
2. Didn't TS say she was in contact with EJ that whole week ?? If so why did she go to the trailer on the 22nd or 23rd. She had to know she wasn't there, I would think, but maybe not.
3. It would be nice to know exactly what date they did go there, as that might answer as to whom EJ was arguing with at the salon on the 22nd.

Good morning, my friend. We only have a little about that conversation on the 18th, all from Tammi. It would be great if Elizabeth jotted down a few notes in that journal.

I'm not sure Elizabeth told Tammi she was taking off. I think her emotional state was one of high frustration towards Logan. Tammi has an irritating personality. If I was upset and frustrating, I'd cut her off - I wouldn't be able to stand it. I can't stand her on a good day. I think Elizabeth said, "Yeah, yeah, come pick Gabe up on Monday (or whatever day)" and boogied.

Gabe's family wasn't able to pin down that date, but it makes sense that TPS and EJ would have an "excited" conversation when TPS arrives to pick up Gabe, and 'her' baby isn't there. She must have been in a fine state. EJ was also in a fine state.

All MOO.

 

[BeanE]

Thank You BeanE..I'll get the hang of it...hopefully soon! You are such a wonderful inspiration to me!!

You're too kind, Dawn Thank you.

I'd be very interested in seeing the patterns in those codes if you have the time to put together a synopsis.

 

[BeanE]

Tammi has enough votes that I'm going to create a thread to flesh out a Tammi as third party theory.

Jack? He's not doing so well lol.

 

[danisisa]

Has anyone found any cousins or step cousins of Elizabeth?

 

[BeanE]

Has anyone found any cousins or step cousins of Elizabeth?

I fairly regularly search the net for anyone's who's found any more relatives and I haven't seen any.

 

[danisisa]

Just saw the 7 minute raw video with the PI.....TPS has to be involved.. He believes G is out of state at this time

 

[DairyGirl]

I really don't think TPS knows where Gabriel is or how he got to where he is. Don't get me wrong, I think she is in this up to her eyeballs but I really think that EJ kept her options open and went rogue on her. I think she may have told TPS one thing but did another. I tend to think she found someone on her own while planning her getaway and that person hooked her up with the couple. I kind of feel that HG is a red herring. I really think if TPS had hooked EJ up LE would have more of an idea then they seem to. Unless TPS is an even better liar then she has proven to be I think she would have talked. Just my feelings on things.

 

[BeanE]

I really don't think TPS knows where Gabriel is or how he got to where he is. Don't get me wrong, I think she is in this up to her eyeballs but I really think that EJ kept her options open and went rogue on her. I think she may have told TPS one thing but did another. I tend to think she found someone on her own while planning her getaway and that person hooked her up with the couple. I kind of feel that HG is a red herring. I really think if TPS had hooked EJ up LE would have more of an idea then they seem to. Unless TPS is an even better liar then she has proven to be I think she would have talked. Just my feelings on things.

That's what I thought for a long time. Because of recent events and new info, I'm seriously rethinking it.

 

[kissdegirl]

After that 7 minute video, I don't see who else KG could be referring to. Sounds like she sent someone there because EJ trusted her. EJ knew she was desperate for a baby, and I think because of that, she trusted anyone TS sent to take the baby.

So...is he out of state? Then who took him who lives in.....TN.....AZ....?

 

[jenny1976]

In the 7 minute raw video at KPHO, KG is asked about the charges against EJ. He says something to the effect that EJ was "betrayed" by somebody or "set up" by somebody and that if her story is proven, then her sentence should be greatly reduced.

This statement makes me point the finger at TPS. As many have said, I think EJ trusted her and then TPS threw EJ under the bus when their plans went awry.

 

[kissdegirl]

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[kappy50]

I'm still not sold on TPS here..To what advantage is it for her now....she admitted finally Gabriel needed to be with his daddy....She's already in deep poo poo, if involved, this would make her in deeper poo poo..and I don't think she would risk her life with "H"...because of this...like em or not (which I DO NOT ) they are caring for a grandbaby which I'm sure they love very much...

 

[TXHOPE]

I'm still not sold on TPS here..To what advantage is it for her now....she admitted finally Gabriel needed to be with his daddy....She's already in deep poo poo, if involved, this would make her in deeper poo poo..and I don't think she would risk her life with "H"...because of this...like em or not (which I DO NOT ) they are caring for a grandbaby which I'm sure they love very much...

I thought this too for a long time Kappy and now I'm just not 100% on it like I was before. I do still believe that TS does not know where Gabriel is currently located-she may know who has him but not where he's at. My gut still tells me she connected EJ with the 3rd party. Which could explain the lie detector results-she had some knowledge but not all. I think TS now rethinking everything, wishes she was never involved in any of this but at the time she thought she could get away with it and find a way to have Gabriel as her own without any risk to her family,H. Her history shows she's a manipulator and will even bend the law if it means getting her way.

I do and have always thought she started this entire mess starting from day 1at the airport.

 

[Litlred]

I'm still not sold on TPS here..To what advantage is it for her now....she admitted finally Gabriel needed to be with his daddy....She's already in deep poo poo, if involved, this would make her in deeper poo poo..and I don't think she would risk her life with "H"...because of this...like em or not (which I DO NOT ) they are caring for a grandbaby which I'm sure they love very much...

I think it is the deeper poo poo she is afraid of. She knows she will lose it all and so now she will say or do anything to avoid that.

There are times when I think TPS was not involved with the hand off, but I think she surely pushed and drove EJ into that situation.

 

[Kamille]

I thought this too for a long time Kappy and now I'm just not 100% on it like I was before. I do still believe that TS does not know where Gabriel is currently located-she may know who has him but not where he's at. My gut still tells me she connected EJ with the 3rd party. Which could explain the lie detector results-she had some knowledge but not all. I think TS now rethinking everything, wishes she was never involved in any of this but at the time she thought she could get away with it and find a way to have Gabriel as her own without any risk to her family,H. Her history shows she's a manipulator and will even bend the law if it means getting her way.

I do and have always thought she started this entire mess starting from day 1at the airport.

This is the way I'm leaning too at the moment TXHOPE. TS put EJ in contact with the third party. So she knows who to call to find out where Gabriel is but she wouldn't dare risk it. So maybe she doesn't know where he is but I'm thinking she knows how to find out.

I always figured if this had gone according to plan, Logan would have thought that EJ and Gabriel were hiding together, assisted by a woman's shelter. Not quite the type of thing that gets LE really involved in the disappearance but more of a custody thing. LE would list them as missing and EJ as wanted but nothing major would really be done to locate them. There are thousands of those cases out there right now. But that text changed everything IMO.

 

[Prof]

I'm still not sold on TPS here..To what advantage is it for her now....she admitted finally Gabriel needed to be with his daddy....She's already in deep poo poo, if involved, this would make her in deeper poo poo..and I don't think she would risk her life with "H"...because of this...like em or not (which I DO NOT ) they are caring for a grandbaby which I'm sure they love very much...

Kappy, I hope you know that I respect your posts! And even though I have never swayed in my opinion about Tammi and her involvement, there is a part of me that wonders a bit about why a person in her right mind would get herself in such a mess, but then I remember who I am thinking about!

Tammi's involvement happened before she was in trouble in this case at all -- all actions forward have been acts of backpeddling and cover up

If her involvement stopped as soon as EJ left, why did she feel the need to still control the situation after EJ left, after EJ was in jail? only charges against Tammi seemed to get Tammi to shut up somewhat, or possibly go underground in her efforts to control --

Tammi has shown time and time again that she feels above the law because her means are justified by the end -- she has saved one of God's children -- everything she does is okay because she is battling enemies of God, or battling "Satin" himself [as she calls him]

H was saved in the TayJay church; did they attempt to save her mother, J's daughter so that H might live with her mother and sisters? Does H even know her sisters? Will they ever allow her to know her father who wants her back?

What about TS' own children? Why does she not devote all that energy and time to them?

Yes, H is with her grandfather, but why?

Thinking they can do better on the next batch?

Sorry, but I just cannot give these people much slack

 

[Litlred]

This is the way I'm leaning too at the moment TXHOPE. TS put EJ in contact with the third party. So she knows who to call to find out where Gabriel is but she wouldn't dare risk it. So maybe she doesn't know where he is but I'm thinking she knows how to find out.
I always figured if this had gone according to plan, Logan would have thought that EJ and Gabriel were hiding together, assisted by a woman's shelter. Not quite the type of thing that gets LE really involved in the disappearance but more of a custody thing. LE would list them as missing and EJ as wanted but nothing major would really be done to locate them. There are thousands of those cases out there right now. But that text changed everything IMO.

BBM:

she knows how to find out.

Yes, I agree, she knows how to find out but can't because she is under a microscope.

 

[iluvmua]

Have there been ANY witnesses that actually saw this "couple" leave with Baby Gabriel?

And if EJ didn't want anybody to find him, Why keep a journal? knowing that LE would eventually get to it?

it's still a little fishy to me