Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? Poll

Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? POLL

  • John

    Votes: 124 8.4%
  • Patsy

    Votes: 547 37.2%
  • Burke

    Votes: 340 23.1%
  • An Intruder, (anyone including someone known to them)

    Votes: 459 31.2%

  • Total voters
    1,470
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  • #661
...it was in an interview with "the enquirer"

http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm

During The ENQUIRER interview, Patsy admitted she considered and rejected the possibility that John was sexually abusing JonBenet. She openly admitted that during her struggle to defeat ovarian cancer between 1993 and 1994, John and Patsy's sex life suffered. She totally rejects the notion of John abusing JonBenet, but her reasoning is odd.

She said her mother "came to take care of the kids (when I had cancer). She slept in the other bed in JonBenet's room. I mean, if John was coming in to molest JonBenet, you know that's not going to happen 'cause Grandma was right there every night."

It's very odd and disturbing. One would think that if their sex life was suffering PR might be more concerned about JR having an affair with another woman, not "hope he doesn't molest our daughter because of this ... " Thanks for the link!
 
  • #662
I've been really trying to understand why the R's may have acted the way they did IF they were innocent.It's hard for me.I'm trying to consider their belief system and their social status.In light of that MAYBE I can begin to understand their arrogance.I can begin to understand why they lawyered up so quickly and were not cooperative.MAYBE it was their way of thinking "we are the R's ,how dare they even consider us suspects?"
I remember JR referring to the testament of Job in the bible and if they truly believe in such a story it could explain the "forgiving" and the seeming lack of interest to find justice for JB.....
I don't know....
....but I still think a key point in trying to figure out who did this is to figure out whether or not JB was molested prior to her death.I believe she was.
...and I believe her death was related to this.IMO it seems like someone who was trying to MAKE THIS STOP.Whether it was to stop JB from talking about it or out of a guilty conscience or to deal with trauma related to themselves,I believe someone sacrificed this little girl to make it STOP.

So whoever molested JB is the key to me to lead to the killer.
I keep thinking about PR when asked if she ever thought about if JR molested JB and she actually answered yes,during the time she was going away for cancer treatments but she dismissed it because her mom was sleeping in the same room with JB.
That is soooo troublesome to me.
There's just toooooo many things I "d have to dismiss to believe IDI.
I think I'll stay on the fence.

I agree ,I always said that if this prior sexual abuse thing is true it's actually very simple,get the abuser and you'll have the motive and the killer cause I really don't think abuse and murder are coincidences.

And this is what bugs me about ST's investigation.These alledged new findings (an entire staff of doctors),are telling him she was sexually abused before and it didn't change the line of investigation,and he also states on national tv when talking to JR "you don't know,you weren't there" (when the crime was comitted and the staging took place).WTH.I'll never get it.

It's like I said on another thread,the right questions were never asked during the interviews.IMO


Why did LE never confronted them with statements from those doctors who claimed she was sexually abused before?

If this is how they interviewed the sexual predators in Boulder as well,then........

Whether RDI or IDI I am honestly not surprised that the killer was never caught.....and probably never will be caught.

This is one of the things that annoy me about this case,I am sure the killer CAN be caught.Or at least make the one/ones who know talk.
 
  • #663
...it was in an interview with "the enquirer"

http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm

During The ENQUIRER interview, Patsy admitted she considered and rejected the possibility that John was sexually abusing JonBenet. She openly admitted that during her struggle to defeat ovarian cancer between 1993 and 1994, John and Patsy's sex life suffered. She totally rejects the notion of John abusing JonBenet, but her reasoning is odd.

She said her mother "came to take care of the kids (when I had cancer). She slept in the other bed in JonBenet's room. I mean, if John was coming in to molest JonBenet, you know that's not going to happen 'cause Grandma was right there every night."

I believe there was molestation in this family when P was younger. Couple the above info with Nedra saying JB was "only a little bit molested" and I came to the conclusion that this is why she slept in JB's room. I'm not saying that she suspected JR, but she suspected someone. Has anyone ever read whether or not P's dad stayed at the house at that time?
 
  • #664
I believe there was molestation in this family when P was younger. Couple the above info with Nedra saying JB was "only a little bit molested"
It’s unfortunate that the person responsible wasn’t “a little bit arrested.”
 
  • #665
It’s unfortunate that the person responsible wasn’t “a little bit arrested.”

Yes, how does one get "a little bit molested?" Either she was or she wasn't.
 
  • #666
...it was in an interview with "the enquirer"

http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm

During The ENQUIRER interview, Patsy admitted she considered and rejected the possibility that John was sexually abusing JonBenet. She openly admitted that during her struggle to defeat ovarian cancer between 1993 and 1994, John and Patsy's sex life suffered. She totally rejects the notion of John abusing JonBenet, but her reasoning is odd.

She said her mother "came to take care of the kids (when I had cancer). She slept in the other bed in JonBenet's room. I mean, if John was coming in to molest JonBenet, you know that's not going to happen 'cause Grandma was right there every night."

claudicici,

Just shows you how distorted Patsy's thinking was. Why must JR indulge himself only at night, and only in JonBenet's bedroom?

IMO Patsy was fully aware that someone was molesting JonBenet.


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  • #667
I agree ,I always said that if this prior sexual abuse thing is true it's actually very simple,get the abuser and you'll have the motive and the killer cause I really don't think abuse and murder are coincidences.

And this is what bugs me about ST's investigation.These alledged new findings (an entire staff of doctors),are telling him she was sexually abused before and it didn't change the line of investigation,and he also states on national tv when talking to JR "you don't know,you weren't there" (when the crime was comitted and the staging took place).WTH.I'll never get it.

It's like I said on another thread,the right questions were never asked during the interviews.IMO


Why did LE never confronted them with statements from those doctors who claimed she was sexually abused before?

If this is how they interviewed the sexual predators in Boulder as well,then........

Whether RDI or IDI I am honestly not surprised that the killer was never caught.....and probably never will be caught.

This is one of the things that annoy me about this case,I am sure the killer CAN be caught.Or at least make the one/ones who know talk.



madeleine,

BPD were fully aware that JonBenet had been molested prior to her death. Steve Thomas recounts being given a lecture on prebubescent genitals, including real life colour photographs and how apparent was the contrast between a healthy six-year old girl and that of JonBenet!

Why did LE never confronted them with statements from those doctors who claimed she was sexually abused before?
From memory Patsy was confronted with this information.

IMO its the prior molestation that is the motivation behind JonBenet's internal assault, and the redressing in size-12's and longjohns. No intruder needs to redress his victim!

Both sides knew in any court case prior molestation would be an issue raised. So neither would want to talk much about it unless some pretty strong evidence was available linking someone.

In his book ST talks about 'corporal punishment' as being a possible reason for JonBenet's genitals not having a normal appearance. This after reciting testimony from paediatricians stating prior molestation occurred, seems to reflect a desire to downplay this as a topic, even to the point as naming her assualt as genital trauma. Very PC language for a homicide case.

I reckon the LEA were certain about the prior molestation, but they had no smoking gun, and with the crime-scene well and truly compromised, a court case might not achieve a great deal, since many forensic items may have been ruled inadmissable.

The killer may be dead, or the killer maybe alive. I reckon one day BR will say something!


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  • #668
Yes, how does one get "a little bit molested?" Either she was or she wasn't.

It's like being a "little bit pregnant".
 
  • #669
In his book ST talks about 'corporal punishment' as being a possible reason for JonBenet's genitals not having a normal appearance. This after reciting testimony from paediatricians stating prior molestation occurred, seems to reflect a desire to downplay this as a topic, even to the point as naming her assualt as genital trauma. Very PC language for a homicide case.

This is what I am having problems with.I didn't see any reports so I don't know whether the bruises and all point exclusively to prior sexual assault or are they just the result of physical abuse,which doesn't necessarily imply a man.

I don't know whether ST dismissed this only because it pointed to a man (JR?) and he wanted PR to be the guilty one.


Meyer says digital penetration.We don't even know whether the paintbrush was used or not,all we have is splinters,could also mean JB was touched down there by the one who broke the paintbrush.

I doubt that a panel of doctors can't tell for sure whether it was sexual abuse or another form of abuse.

And here comes JB's behaviour into play IMO. "I don't feel pretty?" Sounds more like a sexual abuse sign to me than a reaction to being beaten up or punished by mommy.Same re the wetting the bed (IF it's not just another exaggerated issue).

And sorry to repeat myself,but I really don't think someone would postmortem sexually assault their child just for covering up a head bash (accident).The sexual assault(that night at least) was real,IDI or RDI.

Btw,does anyone have a link re the incest/dictionary subject.Or is it just a rumour?
 
  • #670
>"When we checked the photos from a big manilla envelope
>marked as evidence #85KKY, I almost fell out of my chair,
>and Peck inhaled in sharp surprise. A PICTURE SHOWED
>WEBSTER'S NEW COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY ON A COFFEE TABLE IN THE
>FIRST FLOOR STUDY, THE CORNER OF THE LOWER LEFT-HAND PAGE
>SHARPLY CREASED AND POINTING LIKE AN ARROW TO THE WORD
>INCEST. Somebody had apparently been looking for a
>definition of sexual contact between family members."

It's from the ST book.
 
  • #671
This is what I am having problems with.I didn't see any reports so I don't know whether the bruises and all point exclusively to prior sexual assault or are they just the result of physical abuse,which doesn't necessarily imply a man.

I don't know whether ST dismissed this only because it pointed to a man (JR?) and he wanted PR to be the guilty one.


Meyer says digital penetration.We don't even know whether the paintbrush was used or not,all we have is splinters,could also mean JB was touched down there by the one who broke the paintbrush.

I doubt that a panel of doctors can't tell for sure whether it was sexual abuse or another form of abuse.

And here comes JB's behaviour into play IMO. "I don't feel pretty?" Sounds more like a sexual abuse sign to me than a reaction to being beaten up or punished by mommy.Same re the wetting the bed (IF it's not just another exaggerated issue).

And sorry to repeat myself,but I really don't think someone would postmortem sexually assault their child just for covering up a head bash (accident).The sexual assault(that night at least) was real,IDI or RDI.

Btw,does anyone have a link re the incest/dictionary subject.Or is it just a rumour?



madeleine,

This is what I am having problems with.I didn't see any reports so I don't know whether the bruises and all point exclusively to prior sexual assault or are they just the result of physical abuse,which doesn't necessarily imply a man.
JonBenet's internal injuries following her death are acute, and follow on from what I describe as a staged assault attempting to to hide prior molestation. But the enlargement of JonBenet internally was not simply a consequence of her acute injury, but that of chronic extended molestation.

It is this that paediatricians recognized and opined upon. Steve Thomas was explicit in his remarks regarding the difference between JonBenet and a normal healthy six-year old. If you take this into account along with Coroner Meyer's remarks regarding digital penetration and sexual contact e.g. digital penetration is not the same as penetration using the paintbrush handle, and sexual contact is not the same as staged vaginal assault. Then the conclusion that prior molestation took place seems reasonable. Although its not the only one available, some think corporal punishment fits the evidence as well? So as you suggest a man may not be implied, but then why would Coroner Meyer go on record citing sexual contact ?


I don't know whether ST dismissed this only because it pointed to a man (JR?) and he wanted PR to be the guilty one.
Or they identified PR as the weak point in the R's defence, so went for her hoping she would collapse and point the finger at JR.


I doubt that a panel of doctors can't tell for sure whether it was sexual abuse or another form of abuse.
What other form of abuse might be the motive underlying JonBenet's chronic injuries?


And sorry to repeat myself,but I really don't think someone would postmortem sexually assault their child just for covering up a head bash (accident). The sexual assault(that night at least) was real,IDI or RDI.
You are 100% correct on the latter even Coroner Myer agrees with you. He cites Sexual Contact. JonBenet may not have been postmortem sexually assaulted, it may have occurred prior to her death and been a main contributing factor.

In addition to this latter sexual assault she may have been injured internally by either a finger or paintbrush handle or both, in an attempt to obscure the prior sexual assault.

IDI or RDI there was a sexual assault!


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  • #672
I wonder what IDI thinks about the prior molestation?
Do you guys believe the intruder had access to JB before?
...or do you guys think the prior molestation could have been a R and is not related to the murder?
...or do you believe there was no prior molestation?
 
  • #673
I wonder what IDI thinks about the prior molestation?
Do you guys believe the intruder had access to JB before?
...or do you guys think the prior molestation could have been a R and is not related to the murder?
...or do you believe there was no prior molestation?
I'm a JDI, and I think John had been molesting her before the night of her death...
 
  • #674
Or they identified PR as the weak point in the R's defence, so went for her hoping she would collapse and point the finger at JR.

Could be.JR says in his depo,the investigators were hired for MY defence,not to look for the intruder.Not Patsy's,HIS defence.
 
  • #675
I wonder what IDI thinks about the prior molestation?
Do you guys believe the intruder had access to JB before?
...or do you guys think the prior molestation could have been a R and is not related to the murder?
...or do you believe there was no prior molestation?

claudicici,

The intruder may have had access to JonBenet before, say at school, or babysitting, sleepover etc.

And simultaneously she was being molested by a Ramsey, either one resident or one extended or both.

The prior molestation follows from her internal injuries that preceded the night of her death. These were photographed at the autopsy and analysed subsequently and when compared against a normal 6-year old, leave no doubt that prior molestation occured.


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  • #676
BPD were fully aware that JonBenet had been molested prior to her death. Steve Thomas recounts being given a lecture on prebubescent genitals, including real life colour photographs and how apparent was the contrast between a healthy six-year old girl and that of JonBenet!
In his book ST talks about 'corporal punishment' as being a possible reason for JonBenet's genitals not having a normal appearance.

I was so intrigued by Thomas' opinion that I went to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up the book. Unfortunately, they didn't have it, so I ordered it and it's coming next week. I can't wait to read it! I imagine I'll be posting a lot more when I'm done ...
 
  • #677
I was so intrigued by Thomas' opinion that I went to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up the book. Unfortunately, they didn't have it, so I ordered it and it's coming next week. I can't wait to read it! I imagine I'll be posting a lot more when I'm done ...

Good! Read PMPT as well.
 
  • #678
OFF TOPIC:

I dont know but Suri Cruz - Tom Cruz's daughter seems to look like the next JBR.
(IMHO her parents are nuts)
 
  • #679
OFF TOPIC:

I dont know but Suri Cruz - Tom Cruz's daughter seems to look like the next JBR.
(IMHO her parents are nuts)

Keh? What has this to do with this?
 
  • #680
Yes, how does one get "a little bit molested?" Either she was or she wasn't.

I know! It's like being a "little bit pregnant." Sounds to me like Nedra was in some kind of denial...
 
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