Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? Poll

[ozazure]

BR did not write the note or stage the body. There is only a leap of faith to blame a 9 year old. The police did an interview, before the lawyers moved in and shut it all down. You would have to assume he would have the ability to not slip up even once about his brutal assault. This was a crushing blow to the top of the head. Even if he was able to fool the police, how has he kept quiet and out of trouble for all these years. He would have to remember hitting her and her falling unconscious. Even if he had not put one and one together the next morning, as an adult he surely would have figured it out. At 9 he could not have even been charged criminally. In fact he could confess right now and not face a charge. Is it possible some male member of the Ramsey family or circle was sexually abusing JBR? yes it is, and it might be the root of the case. I just think there is one person who killed her and that is mom. I am not sure why so many people cling to the tabloid story, Burke must have done it. I know, some think what would make a parent stage it. Must be to protect her other child. What about just protecting herself?

"The ransom note is staged artifact so who authored it and why is not really open to speculation." Not sure what you mean there. All of theories including BR did it is speculation. Of course the why and who is open to speculation.

Children can suffer horrific abuse and never let a word slip out of their mouths - why would a boy in a clearly dysfunctional family who was given enough leeway to commit those acts be any less capable of remaining silent? He would be 100% cognisant that it is wrong and it has nothing to do with being held legally responsible ... it is about being able to live your life with the mask of normality.

It is far from a tabloid story. If you cannot look at the facts of this case with the knowledge that children of that age can sexually and violently offend then you are wasting your time. Long ago this idea that the tentative sexual assault and ineffective bindings are "staging" took hold, it is just as plausible to me they are the actions of an immature "play acting" perpetrator.

 

[mrseeker]

Children can suffer horrific abuse and never let a word slip out of their mouths - why would a boy in a clearly dysfunctional family who was given enough leeway to commit those acts be any less capable of remaining silent? He would be 100% cognisant that it is wrong and it has nothing to do with being held legally responsible ... it is about being able to live your life with the mask of normality.

It is far from a tabloid story. If you cannot look at the facts of this case with the knowledge that children of that age can sexually and violently offend then you are wasting your time. Long ago this idea that the tentative sexual assault and ineffective bindings are "staging" took hold, it is just as plausible to me they are the actions of an immature "play acting" perpetrator.

This was not the result of play acting. This was staging at the time or near the time of death. What is plausible to you is not important to me.
An adult did this, and an adult staged this. If you want to believe this was the result of a 9 year old and a 6 year old playing with a rope, be my guest. I am not sure this is clearly a dysfunctional family. But at least one person was dysfunctional, and It was the mother.

 

[singularity]

There are conflicting opinions about prior sexual abuse. You can view the link i provided above to one of the many books out there quoting pathologists. The police did try a tactic interpreting the evidence as prior and chronic abuse, but that did not produce any results. They never found evidence of child abuse or sexual abuse in that family. I hardly think two kids of 6 and 9 (or younger) yelling at each other even under a blanket is evidence of sexual abuse. Even if there was abuse, it is not impossible for an unstable mother, who abuses drugs and alcohol, to abuse her daughter even sexually. Patsy seemed like a very strange woman to me.

So basically you're telling me I am wrong about Jonbenet being abused, say there's no evidence of such, then immediately afterwards insinuate that Patsy might be the abuser?

Alrighty then.....

If you're going to claim there's no evidence of abuse, I can assure you there's even less evidence of Patsy abusing alcohol and drugs. There's definitely evidence on her issues with pills(and I do believe she was a pill addict) but very little if any info on her being an alcoholic. It wouldn't surprise me though. John made an interesting comment regarding drinking in the transcripts but don't have time to dig for it at the moment.

I do find it interesting how you shoot down others opinions because of "lack of evidence" and then take even bigger leaps yourself.

Not sure i would refer to Kolar as a profit false or otherwise. His conclusion was a leap of faith, not following the evidence. I did not read his book

If you're going to judge his beliefs,theories,and claim he is a "mediocre investigator trying to make a fast buck".... the least you can do is actually read the book you are judging.

One parent did not know. That parent was the one who did not write the note - John. So only one parent, Patsy, staged the scene.

Interesting. Since we know Patsy basically spent from 6am to 1pm sitting in a chair loaded on enough xanax to down an elephant, can you explain how she was able to disappear and then move things around in the basement while still sitting in her chair?

What was John doing when he went "off the grid" for over an hour? Playing checkers? Solitaire? If doing so, where?

Her point is not to get money. Her point is to convince the father to go to the bank in the morning, without calling anyone, get the money. While he is gone, i think Mommy was going to load the body into her trunk, drive a few miles out of town, and place the body on the side of the road. It just didn't unfold that way once John came down that morning. He reacted normally.

JOhn acted normal? In what universe? He stood there in his underwear on his knees reading the note refusing to touch it. A normal person would simply grab the note and read it, especially if their child has been kidnapped. Patsy wouldn't touch it either.

Innocent parents of a kidnapped child do not go out of their to not touch a ransom note left for them.

Well, let's examine that. If I'm right, and JR was the abuser, that brings up the question: what did Patsy know and when did she know it? Was she completely in the dark? Or did she decide that she didn't want to know, ie, turning a blind eye to it? Why would she turn a blind eye to it? Was JonBenet's continued success that important?

A LOT of questions.

I highly doubt she was in the dark on anything related to Jonbenet. Many dysfunctional families turn a blind eye to what's staring them in the face. Abuse, incest, etc. You bring up JOnbenet's success but another reason is she wouldn't want to rock the boat in general. They were rich, successful, the facade of the perfect all american family, etc. Does anyone think she would be willing to destroy that over her daughter being (in their words) "a little bit molested"?

I didn't get the impression from Kolar's book that he thought Patsy was a good mom.

I definitely recommend reading the book in its entirety. I also thought Patsy had killed JonBenet in anger, but the info in Kolar's book was enlightening.

While I am not BDI, I do agree that Kolar's book is practically required reading for anyone interested in the case.

Linda Arndt said there was an "incest dynamic" in the house

2 A. I refer to every member of the family.

While I do believe Arndt was in way over her head, I certainly agree with her on that point.

 

[mrseeker]

So basically you're telling me I am wrong about Jonbenet being abused, say there's no evidence of such, then immediately afterwards insinuate that Patsy might be the abuser?

Alrighty then.....

If you're going to claim there's no evidence of abuse, I can assure you there's even less evidence of Patsy abusing alcohol and drugs. There's definitely evidence on her issues with pills(and I do believe she was a pill addict) but very little if any info on her being an alcoholic. It wouldn't surprise me though. John made an interesting comment regarding drinking in the transcripts but don't have time to dig for it at the moment.

I do find it interesting how you shoot down others opinions because of "lack of evidence" and then take even bigger leaps yourself.




If you're going to judge his beliefs,theories,and claim he is a "mediocre investigator trying to make a fast buck".... the least you can do is actually read the book you are judging.




Interesting. Since we know Patsy basically spent from 6am to 1pm sitting in a chair loaded on enough xanax to down an elephant, can you explain how she was able to disappear and then move things around in the basement while still sitting in her chair?

What was John doing when he went "off the grid" for over an hour? Playing checkers? Solitaire? If doing so, where?

JOhn acted normal? In what universe? He stood there in his underwear on his knees reading the note refusing to touch it. A normal person would simply grab the note and read it, especially if their child has been kidnapped. Patsy wouldn't touch it either.

Innocent parents of a kidnapped child do not go out of their to not touch a ransom note left for them.




I highly doubt she was in the dark on anything related to Jonbenet. Many dysfunctional families turn a blind eye to what's staring them in the face. Abuse, incest, etc. You bring up JOnbenet's success but another reason is she wouldn't want to rock the boat in general. They were rich, successful, the facade of the perfect all american family, etc. Does anyone think she would be willing to destroy that over her daughter being (in their words) "a little bit molested"?




While I am not BDI, I do agree that Kolar's book is practically required reading for anyone interested in the case.





While I do believe Arndt was in way over her head, I certainly agree with her on that point.

I am not sure how to respond to all that. Not sure where to start or if i should even read it all. Linda arnt made an accusation in a deposition when she apparently was trying to sue her bosses. Explain to me what is an incest dynamic? I am still not sure what that is? Either there is incest or there is not. Not sure what dynamic means in this context. Seems Linda invented a new concept. I guess she is saying John is having sex with his kids and everyone in the family knows it..but hey we can't prove it with any evidence, not one piece, but let's just rely on Ole Linda's comment. Let's arrest John right now.

I don't think the scene was staged at 6 am. She was all done at 6 am. The scene was set, and now she just had to sell it to John. It just didn't work out. Her novel and her acting were both failures. I think pills are drugs. I never said illicit drugs. I am pretty sure she had prescriptions. Rich people don't have to go to a drug house, they can walk right up to the counter at walgreens. I never said if JBR was abused. I have no idea. I know there are experts on both sides of the issue. I am no expert on pathology. I contend Patsy killed her and staged it. The note says it all.

 

[ozazure]

This was not the result of play acting. This was staging at the time or near the time of death. What is plausible to you is not important to me.
An adult did this, and an adult staged this. If you want to believe this was the result of a 9 year old and a 6 year old playing with a rope, be my guest. I am not sure this is clearly a dysfunctional family. But at least one person was dysfunctional, and It was the mother.

Not playing - a 9 year old abusing his sister sexually, but not as an adult abuses sexually, but as a child might - inserting objects and creating ineffective token bindings (loose around the wrist, the weird design of the neck apparatus). It is unlikely the sexual abuse of a mature adult seeking gratification - it may be staging but that is way more bizarre a proposition to me. Children sexually abuse each other, I cannot think of a single proven case of a mother staging sexual abuse on her child after or during their murder, but feel free to find me some examples so this possibility comes close to competing with the reality of child on child sexual abuse.

 

[EA18G]

I have always thought, and still think, the Santa killed JonBenet.

Santa (Bill McReynolds) daughter had been abducted 22 years before JonBenet's death ... to the day. Janet McReynolds, Santa's wife, had written a play about a child who was molested in her basement, then murdered.

I posted this here years ago and of course I was told that could not be possible because he was cleared. Well, I don't think Boulder LE was capable of clearing anyone.

 

[BBB167893]

I highly doubt she was in the dark on anything related to Jonbenet. Many dysfunctional families turn a blind eye to what's staring them in the face. Abuse, incest, etc. You bring up JOnbenet's success but another reason is she wouldn't want to rock the boat in general. They were rich, successful, the facade of the perfect all american family, etc. Does anyone think she would be willing to destroy that over her daughter being (in their words) "a little bit molested"?

I don't. Your reasoning has a couple of centuries behind it. Since time immemorial, wives have covered up sexual abuse in order to keep a family together, because if the breadwinner were punished, it would mean hardship for the wife and children. This would be no different.

 

[DeDee]

There were three people in the house who could have written it. One is 9 years old and clearly did not. One is a man and the writer is a woman. It is clearly female. That is the first clue it was Patsy. The writer sat at a table with no fear of detection and wrote out the note, even throwing away false starts. The note is silly. The writer most likely was drunk and or on pills. She rambled on threatening and begging John to leave the house the next morning and not tell anyone. Never once mentions Patsy. She wants John to leave the house so she can move the body without detection. If there was some accident between the kids, why would a parent first reaction be just let her die and then I will cover it up? It wouldn't be. They would have called 9-11 and told the doctors the kids were rough housing...and that would have been the end of it. How many injuries do kids get fighting or wrestling each other in play or in real aggression? This was an adult who lashed out in a drunken fit of anger, then had tremendous regret and fear of detection. It was a stupid plan, but ". Probably due to her cancer, but maybe it predates that. John got up and reacted like a dad. He ran through the house and told her to call the Police. She finally did, but she had hoped all that rambling about if he talks to a dog or something she dies would make John just go get the money. If John had been in on it, the body would have been taken from the house, the note would be much shorter and not so silly, and then the police would be called. I think John got a better look at that note after the 911 call, then realized Patsy did this. Perhaps she confessed, perhaps she lied about how it happened, perhaps she even blamed Burke, who knows? But John decided for the good of his living family he would go along with it. It is also possible she never even admitted it to him, so he can go through life with deniability. She wrote the note. That is a fact.

* All is my opinion based upon evidence, images of evidence, reading books, utilizing WS and life experiences. Highlighted respectfully, by me.


"The writer sat at a table with no fear of detection and wrote out the note, even throwing away false starts."

One could even go as far as to opine that the Sharpie and pad of paper that was used for writing the Ransom Note was Patsy's own pad given to PO by John. JR was trying to be helpful. It is possible that the RN took several days of composing to get it right. JR would not have noticed it within the pad where it was written.

"She wants John to leave the house so she can move the body without detection."

Are you sure about that being a wish of Patsy's? After all, Patsy immediately called friends to come over when she finished with the scripted 911 call. In fact, I'm not at all convinced that JF was not already there, inside of the R home, as JFs car was the only car parked in the alley that fateful morning. There is no other explanation for JFs fabricated testimony that he saw and read the RN through the glass in the side door.

Spent a week in Boulder Spring, 2015. The Ramsey home is gigantic. I'd forgotten about the apartments over the garage. I always thought PR phoned a friend to place a wedge between herself and her husband's prying eyes and questioning glances. From the perspective of being on site, the Rs home was not geographically located in a particularly safe part of town.

Other than the property that FW maintains/ed, a couple of doors down, after moving to their current residence in Boulder; thereby, forming a business office for FWs19th Street property, all of the R friends live(d) on the other side of town. The Church on the corner was known for homeless people when the Rs lived on the street. Their home's very closely located to the University campus where PR took an adult enhancement art class and JAR was a student. Former Access Graphics located at Spring Street Mall would be an easy bicycle trip to the Rs residence.

"... then had tremendous regret and fear of detection"

This is exactly how PR mourned her beautiful daughter, by mourning for herself, instead. The emotion many thought was grief over the loss of JonBenet was actually fear of being caught for killing her or for allowing her to be killed.

"Patsy seems like an addicted person"

PR was high maintenance. The entire Ramsey household was high maintenance. PR colored her own hair on Christmas Day. That shows the importance of Holy Christmas Day to Patsy. PR and Nedra enjoyed "spending John's money". Custom clothing, private lessons that the dance teacher did not teach JonBenet, and PR placing her daughter in public places dressed in the non-age appropriate costumes with a sashay that the dance instructor did not show her, tells us something like a red flag waving.

PR was classic histrionic. Histrionics are in a category of personality disorders similar to NPD which is one PD that busy, busy, busy looking PR may have also had at the time. An example of being histrionic is creating drama of any kind at any time. PR was a Drama Queen, as it's said often of others, who are histrionic in personality.

 

[mrseeker]

Not playing - a 9 year old abusing his sister sexually, but not as an adult abuses sexually, but as a child might - inserting objects and creating ineffective token bindings (loose around the wrist, the weird design of the neck apparatus). It is unlikely the sexual abuse of a mature adult seeking gratification - it may be staging but that is way more bizarre a proposition to me. Children sexually abuse each other, I cannot think of a single proven case of a mother staging sexual abuse on her child after or during their murder, but feel free to find me some examples so this possibility comes close to competing with the reality of child on child sexual abuse.

Whether there is an example of a mother doing this is not evidence. Is there another example of a 9 year old garoting his sister after sexually assaulting her? Is there even one example of a 2 and half page ransom note? We could be here all night. The truth is Patsy wrote that note to deceive. Who she was protecting is the debate. Why she felt the need to do it is the debate. People do not like this family it appears. We don't like a little girl being paraded around like a dog in a dog show. We don't like the fact she was made to dress as an adult in skimpy outfits and behave like an adult in front of strangers. At the time, I would say most of us did not know this pageants world for kids even existed, or at least we didn't know much about it. Most people are going to assume there must be very sadistic things going on in that house. If this had been a middle class home, we would not have any mystery here. What I do not understand is with this obsession with blaming the weakest survivor in this house, a 9 year old boy. A 9 year old boy we knew and know very little about. Even some claim he garroted her in some sadistic sexual game. Where is all this imaginative stuff coming from. There were two adults in that house. One wrote the note. It is clear it was mommy who wrote that note. It is my contention that the note is so stupid, so ridiculous, that John would never have been part of it. Which means, Patsy, the doped up, mommy dearest, wrote it. I am being a broken record again, but it is the trap I am in. The skull fracture came first. As the brain swelled I think she was in a coma. The garrote was fashion at death or near death as I am sure he life signs were very small or nonexistent. Burke probably knows why mommy did it. But if he is in denial, he probably will never tell. I just don't hear any evidence of Burke doing anything. I just hear supposition, tabloid nonsense and amateur psychology. Children do commit sexual assaults and mothers do kill their children. You cannot cling on the very rare event of a 9 year old killing a 6 year old, and even rarer event garrotes his victim, but dismiss the more common event of a parent killing their kid and staging a kidnapping. The sexual component of the staging, might be the adults attempt to cover up previous abuse, or just to plant a red herring for some future detective. Anyone who clings to Burke as a sexual predator and murderer is basing it on more than the facts of this case. Perhaps its the facts of their own life.

 

[mrseeker]

* All is my opinion based upon evidence, images of evidence, reading books, utilizing WS and life experiences. Highlighted respectfully, by me.


"The writer sat at a table with no fear of detection and wrote out the note, even throwing away false starts."

One could even go as far as to opine that the Sharpie and pad of paper that was used for writing the Ransom Note was Patsy's own pad given to PO by John. JR was trying to be helpful. It is possible that the RN took several days of composing to get it right. JR would not have noticed it within the pad where it was written.

"She wants John to leave the house so she can move the body without detection."

Are you sure about that being a wish of Patsy's? After all, Patsy immediately called friends to come over when she finished with the scripted 911 call. In fact, I'm not at all convinced that JF was not already there, inside of the R home, as JFs car was the only car parked in the alley that fateful morning. There is no other explanation for JFs fabricated testimony that he saw and read the RN through the glass in the side door.

Spent a week in Boulder Spring, 2015. The Ramsey home is gigantic. I'd forgotten about the apartments over the garage. I always thought PR phoned a friend to place a wedge between herself and her husband's prying eyes and questioning glances. From the perspective of being on site, the Rs home was not geographically located in a particularly safe part of town.

Other than the property that FW maintains/ed, a couple of doors down, after moving to their current residence in Boulder; thereby, forming a business office for FWs19th Street property, all of the R friends live(d) on the other side of town. The Church on the corner was known for homeless people when the Rs lived on the street. Their home's very closely located to the University campus where PR took an adult enhancement art class and JAR was a student. Former Access Graphics located at Spring Street Mall would be an easy bicycle trip to the Rs residence.

"... then had tremendous regret and fear of detection"

This is exactly how PR mourned her beautiful daughter, by mourning for herself, instead. The emotion many thought was grief over the loss of JonBenet was actually fear of being caught for killing her or for allowing her to be killed.

"Patsy seems like an addicted person"

PR was high maintenance. The entire Ramsey household was high maintenance. PR colored her own hair on Christmas Day. That shows the importance of Holy Christmas Day to Patsy. PR and Nedra enjoyed "spending John's money". Custom clothing, private lessons that the dance teacher did not teach JonBenet, and PR placing her daughter in public places dressed in the non-age appropriate costumes with a sashay that the dance instructor did not show her, tells us something like a red flag waving.

PR was classic histrionic. Histrionics are in a category of personality disorders similar to NPD which is one PD that busy, busy, busy looking PR may have also had at the time. An example of being histrionic is creating drama of any kind at any time. PR was a Drama Queen, as it's said often of others, who are histrionic in personality.

The only point I might disagree is the note being written in advance of the murder. I think the murder was unintended but the act of violence was intended or a result of rage. The note was written afterwards and in the late night or early morning hours. I think PR was under the influence of something, and under high stress. The note only makes sense if you have a writer who is not thinking normally. I agree with your last point of the drama, and see drama all through this note. It is written by a person who does not know how bad people are suppose to act, but thinks she does. There was a point to all her ramblings though. It's to fool John in my opinion.

 

[UKGuy]

The only point I might disagree is the note being written in advance of the murder. I think the murder was unintended but the act of violence was intended or a result of rage. The note was written afterwards and in the late night or early morning hours. I think PR was under the influence of something, and under high stress. The note only makes sense if you have a writer who is not thinking normally. I agree with your last point of the drama, and see drama all through this note. It is written by a person who does not know how bad people are suppose to act, but thinks she does. There was a point to all her ramblings though. It's to fool John in my opinion.

mrseeker,
Here is a simple fact: all three Ramsey's resident in the house on 12/26/1996 colluded in agreeing a version of events that outline the previous evenings events and those of the morning of the 27th, which includes that BR was sound asleep in his bed.


The parents later retracted that BR had been asleep throughout in bed, they said he was downstairs with them during the 911 call.

So how could PR fool JR who is patently in on whatever is going on? Also if the case is PDI please explain why Patsy never cleaned up the breakfast bar, leaving evidence of the pineapple snack in full view, including her fingerprints on the serving bowl?

Similarly for the size-12's why did PR tell investigators she placed the size-12's into JonBenet's underwear drawer, yet none were found?

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[mrseeker]

mrseeker,
Here is a simple fact: all three Ramsey's resident in the house on 12/26/1996 colluded in agreeing a version of events that outline the previous evenings events and those of the morning of the 27th, which includes that BR was sound asleep in his bed.


The parents later retracted that BR had been asleep throughout in bed, they said he was downstairs with them during the 911 call.

So how could PR fool JR who is patently in on whatever is going on? Also if the case is PDI please explain why Patsy never cleaned up the breakfast bar, leaving evidence of the pineapple snack in full view, including her fingerprints on the serving bowl?

Similarly for the size-12's why did PR tell investigators she placed the size-12's into JonBenet's underwear drawer, yet none were found?

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I have said more than once, JR must have realized PR had written the note, after the 911 call but before the police arrived. He would have never gone along with this stupid rambling note. PR did it. He decided to go along with the coverup. Not sure how significant underwear and pineapple are to understanding what happened. You cannot get past PR wrote that silly note.

 

[Tadpole12]

Whether there is an example of a mother doing this is not evidence. Is there another example of a 9 year old garoting his sister after sexually assaulting her? Is there even one example of a 2 and half page ransom note? We could be here all night. The truth is Patsy wrote that note to deceive. Who she was protecting is the debate. Why she felt the need to do it is the debate. People do not like this family it appears. We don't like a little girl being paraded around like a dog in a dog show. We don't like the fact she was made to dress as an adult in skimpy outfits and behave like an adult in front of strangers. At the time, I would say most of us did not know this pageants world for kids even existed, or at least we didn't know much about it. Most people are going to assume there must be very sadistic things going on in that house. If this had been a middle class home, we would not have any mystery here. What I do not understand is with this obsession with blaming the weakest survivor in this house, a 9 year old boy. A 9 year old boy we knew and know very little about. Even some claim he garroted her in some sadistic sexual game. Where is all this imaginative stuff coming from. There were two adults in that house. One wrote the note. It is clear it was mommy who wrote that note. It is my contention that the note is so stupid, so ridiculous, that John would never have been part of it. Which means, Patsy, the doped up, mommy dearest, wrote it. I am being a broken record again, but it is the trap I am in. The skull fracture came first. As the brain swelled I think she was in a coma. The garrote was fashion at death or near death as I am sure he life signs were very small or nonexistent. Burke probably knows why mommy did it. But if he is in denial, he probably will never tell. I just don't hear any evidence of Burke doing anything. I just hear supposition, tabloid nonsense and amateur psychology. Children do commit sexual assaults and mothers do kill their children. You cannot cling on the very rare event of a 9 year old killing a 6 year old, and even rarer event garrotes his victim, but dismiss the more common event of a parent killing their kid and staging a kidnapping. The sexual component of the staging, might be the adults attempt to cover up previous abuse, or just to plant a red herring for some future detective. Anyone who clings to Burke as a sexual predator and murderer is basing it on more than the facts of this case. Perhaps its the facts of their own life.

mrseeker,

I realize that a lot of people have invested an enormous amount of time and energy, heart and soul, into the PRDI scenario.
I don't mind the redundancy, but the indignation sours.
I think we most often surpass that level, as a discussion group?
Regardless, I always enjoy reading your thought provoking posts.

also hugs and love to you mrseeker

 

[UKGuy]

I have said more than once, JR must have realized PR had written the note, after the 911 call but before the police arrived. He would have never gone along with this stupid rambling note. PR did it. He decided to go along with the coverup. Not sure how significant underwear and pineapple are to understanding what happened. You cannot get past PR wrote that silly note.

mrseeker,
Well If I'm Patsy and I'm going to claim JonBenet was placed in bed sleeping, then surely I'm going to sever any of my (PR) links with the breakfast bar? Patsy's claims about the size-12 underwear JonBenet was found dressed in were falsified by the investigators, no size-12's, none, zero, were found in the house, so did the Intruder remove 6-pairs of clean size-12's?

Patsy maybe wrote the note but that does not mean she killed JonBenet.

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[singularity]

Not sure where to start or if i should even read it all. Linda arnt made an accusation in a deposition when she apparently was trying to sue her bosses. Explain to me what is an incest dynamic? I am still not sure what that is? Either there is incest or there is not. Not sure what dynamic means in this context. Seems Linda invented a new concept. I guess she is saying John is having sex with his kids and everyone in the family knows it..but hey we can't prove it with any evidence, not one piece, but let's just rely on Ole Linda's comment. Let's arrest John right now.

I don't think the scene was staged at 6 am. She was all done at 6 am. The scene was set, and now she just had to sell it to John. It just didn't work out. Her novel and her acting were both failures. I think pills are drugs. I never said illicit drugs. I am pretty sure she had prescriptions. Rich people don't have to go to a drug house, they can walk right up to the counter at walgreens. I never said if JBR was abused. I have no idea. I know there are experts on both sides of the issue. I am no expert on pathology. I contend Patsy killed her and staged it. The note says it all.

Not sure if you should read a long post? THis forum has a LOT of in depth discussions by many intelligent people and the posts get lengthy. Then factor in people quoting books, sources, etc. If you cant read long posts, I doubt this is the place for you.

YOu know damn well what Arndt meant by there being an "incest dynamic" in the family.

Basically you are PDI through and through(nothing wrong with that) but what I don't like is how you basically just ignore others opinions on the case and even mock some of the BDI members of the site.

I cant believe I have to ask this as I do like everyone here but is there an 'ignore user' feature here? THis latest Burke news is bringing more people in and while normally I'd say "the more the merrier", the quality of discussions is going south and I'd rather be able to not see certain posts so I can discuss/debate the case with people who don't talk down to others and are willing to actually read posts regardless of their length.

We now have people here criticizing books they don't even read and complaining of long posts. I need to filter this stuff.

 

[BOESP]

mrseeker,
Well If I'm Patsy and I'm going to claim JonBenet was placed in bed sleeping, then surely I'm going to sever any of my (PR) links with the breakfast bar? Patsy's claims about the size-12 underwear JonBenet was found dressed in were falsified by the investigators, no size-12's, none, zero, were found in the house, so did the Intruder remove 6-pairs of clean size-12's?

Patsy maybe wrote the note but that does not mean she killed JonBenet.

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BBM - When Steve Thomas faced off on television with John and Patsy Ramsey, Patsy agreed with Thomas that whoever wrote the note killed JonBenet.

 

[mrseeker]

Not sure if you should read a long post? THis forum has a LOT of in depth discussions by many intelligent people and the posts get lengthy. Then factor in people quoting books, sources, etc. If you cant read long posts, I doubt this is the place for you.

YOu know damn well what Arndt meant by there being an "incest dynamic" in the family.

Basically you are PDI through and through(nothing wrong with that) but what I don't like is how you basically just ignore others opinions on the case and even mock some of the BDI members of the site.

I cant believe I have to ask this as I do like everyone here but is there an 'ignore user' feature here? THis latest Burke news is bringing more people in and while normally I'd say "the more the merrier", the quality of discussions is going south and I'd rather be able to not see certain posts so I can discuss/debate the case with people who don't talk down to others and are willing to actually read posts regardless of their length.

We now have people here criticizing books they don't even read and complaining of long posts. I need to filter this stuff.

No I do not know what Arnt meant. If she has evidence of incest then let her present it. Anyone can say anything. Proving it is another matter. I am not going to read all the books on this case. All I need to read is the note. You can have an opinion and I can too. My opinion is PR did it alone. Blaming a 9 year old based on some tabloid accusation from decades ago, is really sad. That is really pitiful. No evidence of that at all. Just gossip. Patsy wrote the note, and she did the crime. If she were poor she would have died in a prison cell where she belonged.

 

[mrseeker]

BBM - When Steve Thomas faced off on television with John and Patsy Ramsey, Patsy agreed with Thomas that whoever wrote the note killed JonBenet.

and patsy was correct.

 

[mrseeker]

mrseeker,
Well If I'm Patsy and I'm going to claim JonBenet was placed in bed sleeping, then surely I'm going to sever any of my (PR) links with the breakfast bar? Patsy's claims about the size-12 underwear JonBenet was found dressed in were falsified by the investigators, no size-12's, none, zero, were found in the house, so did the Intruder remove 6-pairs of clean size-12's?

Patsy maybe wrote the note but that does not mean she killed JonBenet.

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maybe patsy was mistaken about underwear. She wrote the note. thats all i need.

 

[mrseeker]

Great, if you have solved the case can you please retire and stop trying to end every thread with "mommy did it, period" ? You discard everything presented, it's really pointless to even argue.

The point is not to argue. I have yet to hear evidence Burke did it. The name of the thread is who did it, not burke did it. My vote is for mommy. No evidence points towards burke. He didn't write the note.