Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? Poll

[MomofBoys]

Well, actually, more people think an intruder AND Burke is responsible. Not or. You have to combine two totally separate demos to beat the Patsy total.

The poll still weighs in favor of the RDIs, and many RDI theorists believe that more than one R was involved. It's just not that cut and dry.

 

[Tessa2009]

I know I should probably read ALL of the threads about JBR here, but I think that would take at least a year of my life. I have two questions:

1. How can anyone think Burke killed JB?

2. What is RDI?

Thankx guys

 

[Ravyn]

I know I should probably read ALL of the threads about JBR here, but I think that would take at least a year of my life. I have two questions:

1. How can anyone think Burke killed JB?

2. What is RDI?

Thankx guys

1. I don't know why anyone would think BR

2. Ramsey Did It

And it is very nice to meet you,Tessa...

 

[Tessa2009]

1. I don't know why anyone would think BR

2. Ramsey Did It

And it is very nice to meet you,Tessa...

TY Ravyn! Nice to meet you to!

 

[BBB167893]

I know I should probably read ALL of the threads about JBR here, but I think that would take at least a year of my life. I have two questions:

1. How can anyone think Burke killed JB?

2. What is RDI?

Thankx guys

1) It's complicated. I for one can't figure it. I've always said he was not involved.

2) Ramsey(s) Did It.

Welcome aboard!

 

[madeleine]

<<<<annoyed that she can't change her vote.
We should start a new poll on this subject every 6 months.

 

[madeleine]

The most I read about this case the more I change my mind re who did it.When I started posting here I was on the fence.Then I turned into a RDI thinking maybe PDI's are right.Now I am more and more convinced it was JDI.

 

[Tessa2009]

1) It's complicated. I for one can't figure it. I've always said he was not involved.

2) Ramsey(s) Did It.

Welcome aboard!

Thankx for the Welcome!

 

[Sophie]

I know I should probably read ALL of the threads about JBR here, but I think that would take at least a year of my life. I have two questions:

1. How can anyone think Burke killed JB?

2. What is RDI?

Thankx guys

Hi Tessa, lovely to meet you.

Must say I have never believed that BDI but there are several half-plausible theories suggesting some sort of horseplay resulting in an accident which the Ramseys felt needed to be covered up. He was below the age of criminal liability but the theory goes that they felt he would be stigmatised for life by the accident if was revealed to the public. Others believe there was some sort of doctors and nurses game going on, possibly involving a friend of B's, and I believe that, on the Forums for Justice forum, a Ramsey friend erstwhile friend, has suggested that this was the case. This latter theory gained some credence when someone claimed to have evidence of a Ramsey nanny having treated B inappropriately. Of course, as far as I know, most of this is hearsay but I'll find the links if you'd care to read them (or if any else would like them to be aired again).

A few people believed that Burke was jealous since JonBenet appeared to get all the attention (eg. 'he gets a couple of sentences in the Christmas letters while JBR gets a short essay' was one comment).

In her fictionalised book, 'My Sister, My Love,' Joyce Caroll Oates, suggests a scenario where Burke pretty much believed he did it and had blocked out the memory but it turned out to have been Patsy acting out some desperate attention-seeking which she confessed in a deathbed letter to Burke. As far as I'm aware hardly anyone subscribes to this theory.....



I am pretty much PDI or PknowsWhoDI but I really want it to have been an intruder...

 

[Tessa2009]

Hi Tessa, lovely to meet you.

Must say I have never believed that BDI but there are several half-plausible theories suggesting some sort of horseplay resulting in an accident which the Ramseys felt needed to be covered up. He was below the age of criminal liability but the theory goes that they felt he would be stigmatised for life by the accident if was revealed to the public. Others believe there was some sort of doctors and nurses game going on, possibly involving a friend of B's, and I believe that, on the Forums for Justice forum, a Ramsey friend erstwhile friend, has suggested that this was the case. This latter theory gained some credence when someone claimed to have evidence of a Ramsey nanny having treated B inappropriately. Of course, as far as I know, most of this is hearsay but I'll find the links if you'd care to read them (or if any else would like them to be aired again).

A few people believed that Burke was jealous since JonBenet appeared to get all the attention (eg. 'he gets a couple of sentences in the Christmas letters while JBR gets a short essay' was one comment).

In her fictionalised book, 'My Sister, My Love,' Joyce Caroll Oates, suggests a scenario where Burke pretty much believed he did it and had blocked out the memory but it turned out to have been Patsy acting out some desperate attention-seeking which she confessed in a deathbed letter to Burke. As far as I'm aware hardly anyone subscribes to this theory.....



I am pretty much PDI or PknowsWhoDI but I really want it to have been an intruder...

Nice to meet you as well! I'm thinking I'm going to have to read all the threads in order to understand all this. I lived in CO when this happened. I was (am) very interested in this case, but then all the he said she said stuff started happening (on the news, I wasn't a big internet freak back then) and lost interest. I never heard that anyone thought Burke could have done it. It doesn't seem right to me though there was too much over-kill if you ask me. Plus, how many children are jealous of a sibling and not hurt them? ALOT! It just seems too convenient to put it on Burke. I posted what I thought happened in another thread here. There is just too much circumstantial evidence, IMO, that points to Patsy. I'd love to read her death-bead letter to Burke though. And yes, please post those links. I'd love to read them.

 

[DeeDee249]

Hi Tessa- it actually DID take me a year to read all the threads here- but first I read ACandyRose. That site is what got me into the case and sent me here.

 

[Tessa2009]

Hi Tessa- it actually DID take me a year to read all the threads here- but first I read ACandyRose. That site is what got me into the case and sent me here.

Thankx DeeDee! I have my work cut out for me: 1996-2009 UGH!

 

[Sophie]

Hi Tessa, hope you are well.

Have found the references but they are on another forum so before I post the links, I'll just ask the site owner if she is happy for us to link to that site.

I think you're right about Burke. I feel desperately sorry that he will probably always struggle to have a normal life. Siblings do occasionally act out jealousy (one of my very favourite childhood anecdotes is my oldest sister cutting off my second sister's lovely auburn hair because she was pee-ed off at the attention it got from adults ) but this stuff very rarely gets violent. I wonder what the stats are for sibling murder during childhood. Offhand, I can't think of a single example. Anyone else know any examples?


You hit the nail on the head about Patsy and how the simple solution looks the most likely. I'll check out your theory on the other thread. Sad thing is, I think Patsy was probably lovely as a person. I envisage her as being a bit all fur coat and no knickers and prone to drama buta s being essentially lovely....


Got to agree with DeeDee: ACR's site is wonderful and she's one of the finest human beings you'll ever come across

 

[Tessa2009]

Hi Tessa, hope you are well.

Have found the references but they are on another forum so before I post the links, I'll just ask the site owner if she is happy for us to link to that site.

I think you're right about Burke. I feel desperately sorry that he will probably always struggle to have a normal life. Siblings do occasionally act out jealousy (one of my very favourite childhood anecdotes is my oldest sister cutting off my second sister's lovely auburn hair because she was pee-ed off at the attention it got from adults ) but this stuff very rarely gets violent. I wonder what the stats are for sibling murder during childhood. Offhand, I can't think of a single example. Anyone else know any examples?


You hit the nail on the head about Patsy and how the simple solution looks the most likely. I'll check out your theory on the other thread. Sad thing is, I think Patsy was probably lovely as a person. I envisage her as being a bit all fur coat and no knickers and prone to drama buta s being essentially lovely....


Got to agree with DeeDee: ACR's site is wonderful and she's one of the finest human beings you'll ever come across

Thank you so much Sophie! I am doing well, and you?

Do you really think Patsy was a lovely person? I don't know??? I can't see a loving mother, who is just tired and crabby, killing their daughter because she wouldn't go to sleep or maybe wet her bed; even accidentally. What is true in their heart comes to real life. But that's just my opinion.

I have been reading and reading and reading.....yay!

 

[BBB167893]

Thank you so much Sophie! I am doing well, and you?

Do you really think Patsy was a lovely person? I don't know??? I can't see a loving mother, who is just tired and crabby, killing their daughter because she wouldn't go to sleep or maybe wet her bed; even accidentally. What is true in their heart comes to real life. But that's just my opinion.

I have been reading and reading and reading.....yay!

For what it's worth, Tessa2009, I don't think it was just that which brought it on.

 

[Tessa2009]

For what it's worth, Tessa2009, I don't think it was just that which brought it on.

Honestly, I don't either. But that's what I think happened at that time. And in all of her interviews and such, she just seemed "off" to me. I remember thinking to myself "remind me to never cross that one". I didn't see one ounce of "lovely" in her. But, that's just my opinion of her.

 

[BBB167893]

Honestly, I don't either. But that's what I think happened at that time. And in all of her interviews and such, she just seemed "off" to me. I remember thinking to myself "remind me to never cross that one". I didn't see one ounce of "lovely" in her. But, that's just my opinion of her.

I know, Tessa2009. But to be fair, anyone would be "off" with that much medication in them.

 

[Sophie]

Hi Tessa,

I must say that I don't see it as Patsy suddenly snapping. I think her stress had built up over several years and for several reasons starting most probably with the cancer. I have no personal or family knowledge of this but I've seen many people commenting that surviving cancer changes a person - he or she can become almost bipolar: overjoyed to have survived one day and depressed and resentful about the prognosis the next. I think she bore most of the responsibility for holding the family and home together and, even with help, her personal standards meant that this was a never-ending task. On that Christmas Day, I believe she was exhausted, stressed, a bit annoyed that she had had a couple of snits with JBR and,crucially, couldn't just chill like everyone else does over the holidays because she has a trip to Michigan and a birthday trip to prepare an entire family for. There is also some anecdotal evidence that the Rameys' finances may not have been quite as comfortable as they appeared and that the marriage was less-than perfect. Equally, if you have been avoiding alcohol owing to liver trouble but have a couple of glasses as a Christmas treat, it's conceivable that you could be pretty intoxicated.

Calling her 'lovely' may have been a stretch and I am not sure that I would have got on with her in RL. The fur coats alone would have got my hackles up and she appears to have taken herself very seriously (eg. The Judith Phillips comment about Patsy not speaking to her husband for a year because he pointed out a spellling mistake or something in one of her written pieces). There's also the suggestion that a lot of her conspicuous kindnesses were 'for show' or from some sort of patronising sense of noblesse oblige. In fairness to her, though, whatever her motives for doing things like writing a last minute Santa poem for Linda Hoffman-Pugh's daughter, she had to be a sensitive person to think of doing it.

WRT her various interviews, I think she was medicated to within an inch or her life. The people who allowed her to go on TV in that state presumably thought that, so long as she wasn't taking a truth serum, there was no problem with her being interviewed.

 

[BBB167893]

Hi Tessa,

I must say that I don't see it as Patsy suddenly snapping. I think her stress had built up over several years and for several reasons starting most probably with the cancer. I have no personal or family knowledge of this but I've seen many people commenting that surviving cancer changes a person - he or she can become almost bipolar: overjoyed to have survived one day and depressed and resentful about the prognosis the next.

I've seen it firsthand. Twice.

WRT her various interviews, I think she was medicated to within an inch or her life. The people who allowed her to go on TV in that state presumably thought that, so long as she wasn't taking a truth serum, there was no problem with her being interviewed.

Ouch.

 

[Sophie]

I've seen it firsthand. Twice.





I am so sorry to hear that, Dave: it's more than one person should have to bear xx