Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? Poll

[WHITEFANG]

The fbi guys said that 118.000 is a weird number because how would 3 people divide such a sum.
Was wondering about LHP. 118.000+2.000=120.000 nice round sum
We know PR wanted to give her 2.000

And the RN.Sounds like someone wanted to portray her/himself as an educated person but misspelled exactly those words,someone trying to copy a person like PR.

And who else would have had the time to study PR's handwriting better?

I know LHP's dna didn't match and I don't think she killed JB but what if it was her hubby/son with an accomplice.

They knew about the house,basement,everything.Who would know better about a bonus than a snooping housekeeper.

Why wasn't LHP's DNA found all over the place, including the paint tote she took to the basement from the kitchen? Keeping in mind the degree to which these bungling failed every step of the way to perform adequately, who can say how much they got wrong? I'd like to see her take a polygraph.

Again, the filth that came out of her mind regarding P's personal business, suggests to me anyway, something is wrong. For her to demean the marriage relationship as she does implies she believes the role of females is on par with animals.

She could have added fibers from P and J to the cord and underwear to set them up. She did the laundry, after all.

She took B's knife away and knew where she hid it. She said P knew, too, but who's to say? She is the first person P thought of when the cops asked for leads.

 

[madeleine]

Why wasn't LHP's DNA found all over the place, including the paint tote she took to the basement from the kitchen? Keeping in mind the degree to which these bungling failed every step of the way to perform adequately, who can say how much they got wrong? I'd like to see her take a polygraph.

Again, the filth that came out of her mind regarding P's personal business, suggests to me anyway, something is wrong. For her to demean the marriage relationship as she does implies she believes the role of females is on par with animals.

She could have added fibers from P and J to the cord and underwear to set them up. She did the laundry, after all.

She took B's knife away and knew where she hid it. She said P knew, too, but who's to say? She is the first person P thought of when the cops asked for leads.

You know what's strange.What she says about the knife,the blanket being in the dryer.That only the Ramsey's knew about that stuff.Hello.SHE seems to know about that stuff a lot as well.

To be honest I never paid attention to the LHP did it theory because I had the feeling this crime is so complicated and the killer must be someone twisted and creepy and evil and stuff.

But now I am thinking,it could be very simple.
The RN is silly,IMO it wasn't written by someone very smart and intelligent,nothing original about it,no secret messages in it.
Could have been a kidnapping gone wrong and how on earth can it go well if the kidnappers are uneducated people.
It must have been someone who knew the family habits,the house and probably knew intimate stuff about them as well.
Why JB and not Burke?Because JB was the friendly one ,they knew her better.
Why only 118.000.Maybe they thought the Ramsey's won't even call the cops if it's not such a big sum and it can be obtained more easily.
Maybe they left traces but being previously in the house (work) LE disregarded the evidence.

 

[madeleine]

Who am I to judge but that first chapter from her book says a lot about her.What she REALLY felt about the Ramsey's.And don't give me the "well how do you want her to like them after they pointed fingers at her" line.It's bs.She sounds like a vengeful bi@#h and I don't buy her when she says she loved PR so much blah blah.
The LHP book issue tells me actually a lot about Darnay as well.Oh my God so I can't publish this crap what to do,oh I will publish it online,let's see what the most disgusting chapter in it is.LOW.

 

[madeleine]

Btw,I never read about this before

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1997/09/11-1.html

Next to the utility space, at the southeast corner of the basement, is the unfinished, windowless room where JonBenet's body was found behind a closed door. The room is dank and bunker-like, with waterstained cement walls and a cement floor. Although some have referred to the room as a "wine cellar," the room appeared somewhat unused. The family used the room to store such things as Christmas decorations.

John Ramsey and his friend Fleet White found the girl's body wrapped in a blanket less than five feet inside the door, lying next to a small, gray safe embedded in the cement floor.

Family representatives said the Ramseys found the safe when they bought the home, but never had the combination. They said police investigators drilled the safe to open it, but did not reveal what contents - if any - they discovered.



Maybe someone wanted access to that safe?Is this another coincidence?
Who knew about that safe.

 

[madeleine]

"At first, I didn't want to believe that Patsy could do such a thing," said the 57-year-old Platteville resident, who now delivers newspapers. "I loved her. But as time went on, things came to me that made me think she did it. I want Patsy Ramsey tomorrow to look in the mirror and say to herself, "I killed JonBenet.'"

She said the grand jury focused almost exclusively on Patsy Ramsey. "It was almost all about Patsy, down to the underwear she had purchased from Bloomingdales," she said. "They wanted to know how she related to JonBenet. I felt in my heart they were going to indict Patsy."


She said she told the grand jury that Patsy had become very moody right before Christmas of 1996. "I think she had multiple personalities."

Hoffmann-Pugh said she is convinced Patsy wrote the ransom note.


http://www.rense.com/general11/benet.htm


yep......I so believe her that she loved PR.........NOT.Could have fooled me,first I thought they were quoting ST.

If you ask me,this woman HATED PR.Read between the lines.

 

[madeleine]

Dunno..........it's either she passed some info about the R's to someone else who needed money,she and her family were involved somehow or she was just used by LE, but LOVED every second of it.YUK.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The fbi guys said that 118.000 is a weird number because how would 3 people divide such a sum.

Source requested please.

 

[madeleine]

Source requested please.

PMPT,pg 12,13

"Walker was an experienced FBI profiler.He knew this was not the time to decide whether or not the ransom note was genuine.

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How many ways would a group-foreign or not-divide up 118.000$?"

 

[Mastermind]

Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
The fbi guys said that 118.000 is a weird number because how would 3 people divide such a sum.

For all the effort your going to go through in this caper, $39,333 is a really, really small amount.

That barely covers some people's credit balances.

I can make more than that working a medium level job for one year.

 

[Roy23]

You know what's strange.What she says about the knife,the blanket being in the dryer.That only the Ramsey's knew about that stuff.Hello.SHE seems to know about that stuff a lot as well.

To be honest I never paid attention to the LHP did it theory because I had the feeling this crime is so complicated and the killer must be someone twisted and creepy and evil and stuff.

But now I am thinking,it could be very simple.
The RN is silly,IMO it wasn't written by someone very smart and intelligent,nothing original about it,no secret messages in it.
Could have been a kidnapping gone wrong and how on earth can it go well if the kidnappers are uneducated people.
It must have been someone who knew the family habits,the house and probably knew intimate stuff about them as well.
Why JB and not Burke?Because JB was the friendly one ,they knew her better.
Why only 118.000.Maybe they thought the Ramsey's won't even call the cops if it's not such a big sum and it can be obtained more easily.
Maybe they left traces but being previously in the house (work) LE disregarded the evidence.

This is pretty much how I see it Madeleine. I think it was most likely a kidnapping gone bad. It would not surprise me if it was a troubled teen with relationship troubles. The ransom amount seems almost immature as does the mentioning of American movie lines with a mention of a foreign faction. It seems like someone with quite the imagination, like a dungeon and dragons type kid.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

PMPT,pg 12,13

"Walker was an experienced FBI profiler.He knew this was not the time to decide whether or not the ransom note was genuine.

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How many ways would a group-foreign or not-divide up 118.000$?"

The fbi guys said that 118.000 is a weird number because how would 3 people divide such a sum.

Where does Walker say 118,000 is wierd or three people can't divide it?

 

[WHITEFANG]

Dunno..........it's either she passed some info about the R's to someone else who needed money,she and her family were involved somehow or she was just used by LE, but LOVED every second of it.YUK.

LHP helped Schiller write his book. National Enquirer offered $20,000 and a trip to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Pughs took the offer, gave interview.

Gave Cops:
3 Rolls Blk Tape
White Lined Note Pad that
Came from Ramsey house
3 Felt Tip Pens
2' narrow rope
A rope around
a stick!

Wondering aloud, what else did the Pugh's have that came from the Ramsey house, anything?

Had they been pilfering from them for some time? Not saying they did take what didn't belong to them. Rather, I am posing a question, did they take things from them, and if they did, what else might they have taken?

As generous and as apparently disorganized as Pat may have been, perhaps the R's were a target for people with easy access to the place. Before the crime and the incredible expenses involved hiring and paying their lawyers and legal fees, they may have had more money and stuff lying around they could or cared to manage. Was their home a virtual gold mine in the eyes of some people? It wasn't armed. They were friendly, out-going considerate people running a business reaching 1 Billion in sales.

 

[WHITEFANG]

* A Swiss Army knife was found in the basement room where JonBenet's body was found.

* "Only Patsy could have put that knife there. I took it away from Burke (JonBenet's older brother) and hid it in a linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom. An intruder never would have found it. Patsy would have found it getting out clean sheets

."

Who else besides Patsy knew where LHP hid that knife?

"Only Patsy" ?

* The blanket wrapped around JonBenet's body had been left in the dryer. There was still a Barbie Doll nightgown clinging to the blanket, so it had to have come out of the dryer recently, she said. Only Patsy would have known it was in the dryer, she said.

Only Patsy???

The Ramseys have never produced a written handwriting report, Hoffmann-Pugh said. "I had to give handwriting samples to the police. Why didn't she? I had to testify before the grand jury. Why didn't she?" Hoffmann-Pugh asked rhetorically. She testified for eight hours before the grand jury.

Way, way, way off.

"Just go away and leave me alone," JonBenet said when I tried to help her with her boots. Sometimes she acted like A SPOILED BRAT. "No, don't you answer the door," she'd say when someone went to open it at a luncheon Patsy gave. "I'm answering the door." LHP

 

[Mastermind]

Quote:
* A Swiss Army knife was found in the basement room where JonBenet's body was found.

* "Only Patsy could have put that knife there. I took it away from Burke (JonBenet's older brother) and hid it in a linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom. An intruder never would have found it. Patsy would have found it getting out clean sheets
."

Who else besides Patsy knew where LHP hid that knife?

"Only Patsy" ?


Quote:
* The blanket wrapped around JonBenet's body had been left in the dryer. There was still a Barbie Doll nightgown clinging to the blanket, so it had to have come out of the dryer recently, she said. Only Patsy would have known it was in the dryer, she said.
Only Patsy???

A stranger certainly couldn;t have known about it.

BTW why even use Burke's knife. Didn;t this "intruder" bring his own?
After all, this guy is going to do something pretty awful to the Ramsey family, you would think a knife would be standard equipment.
This must be the most unprepared intruder in the history of crime.

 

[WHITEFANG]

A stranger certainly couldn;t have known about it.

BTW why even use Burke's knife. Didn;t this "intruder" bring his own?
After all, this guy is going to do something pretty awful to the Ramsey family, you would think a knife would be standard equipment.
This must be the most unprepared intruder in the history of crime.

Well, someone besides Pat knew. By her own words, she reduces the pool of prospective suspects to a few people, including herself, it seems to me and IMO only.

 

[believe09]

And the reason that LHP would break into the home and murder her neice would be what? I mean this sincerely-where it is difficult for me to wrap my brain around this crime is that the perp, if they were from outside of the home, would be hanging out inside of the home...break into basement, climb to JBR's room, crack her skull somewhere, bring her to the basement, strangle and then stage the crime. THEN this person is going to hang out and write a 3 page ransom note before they leave?

 

[WHITEFANG]

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[MurriFlower]

A stranger certainly couldn;t have known about it.

BTW why even use Burke's knife. Didn;t this "intruder" bring his own?
After all, this guy is going to do something pretty awful to the Ramsey family, you would think a knife would be standard equipment.
This must be the most unprepared intruder in the history of crime.

I think WF might be suggesting that some things (the knife and perhaps the flashlight) were 'borrowed' from the R's house previously. This is why RDI insist on questioning why an IDI would not have their own equipment - they did, but it originally belonged to the R's! Perfect!!

 

[MurriFlower]

And the reason that LHP would break into the home and murder her neice would be what? I mean this sincerely-where it is difficult for me to wrap my brain around this crime is that the perp, if they were from outside of the home, would be hanging out inside of the home...break into basement, climb to JBR's room, crack her skull somewhere, bring her to the basement, strangle and then stage the crime. THEN this person is going to hang out and write a 3 page ransom note before they leave?

Her niece?? Yes, I can see the brain doesn't wrap easily.

 

[MurriFlower]

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