Who molested/abused Jonbenet?

[singularity]

It is harmful to the truth to perpetuate the myth by making light of JBR being a "little bit" sexually abused.

For the record, when I use that term, I am definitely not making light of her sexual abuse. I only use the quote in certain discussions because its a genuine quote directly from the family. I actually think its one of THE sickest things they have ever said. I do realize it almost trivializes it because like you said, it makes light of it even though none of us are intending to do so.

I think she was murdered because she was abused or in the least played a major role in how events unfolded. The way you worded that made me realize the term should probably be removed from our Ramsey vocabulary as its disrespectful to the victim.

I'm going to stop using it during those discussions.

With social media, like Instagram and Facebook, and the makeup industry becoming so huge (all the YouTube tutorials, for instance), I would not be surprised if there are parents who have their very young daughters in JonBenet-esque photos on those platforms just to get "likes".

That's pretty much a guarantee. Crazy world we live in. Back in 96, people were outraged when seeing her pageant photos. Ten years later, reality shows about them are some of the most popular shows.

 

[DeDee]

Oh, sing. My apologies, for I allowed my thoughts to keep flowing. It seemed like the right time and place to mention my thoughts on how crude it is to speak of a child's innocence in vulgar ways meant to trivialize or make less than something that truly was.

Two things really unnerve me in the handling of the JBR murder investigation discussions. Scroll and roll was designed for them.

1. I detest reading that JBR was dumped in the wine cellar like a sack of garbage. Whether that is true or not, she is the young victim of a horrendous crime committed against her. It is highly disrespectful of a tiny 6yo little girl's precious life and memory to belittle, further, her life in death. JonBenet was closer in age to a newborn baby than the blonde 13yo bombshell that her parents portrayed her to be.
3. Then, the other thing, is to read someone who trivializes the sexual abuse or discounts that it ever even happened, thus, denying that consequential physical and emotional scarring occurred. The corruption of JonBenet's mind and body is not debatable. The proof has been attached here often as the autopsy report findings and as the toilet trained issues.

 

[B00kw0rm]

Indeed.


There are a lot of photographs of Jonbenet that do seem to cross a line. Even those that don't will sometimes make you wonder what is going on.

Here's an example....

Who took this photo? Why? How many photos were taken during this shoot? Are they similar?

That was the only photo like that from the shoot, or there might have been one more extremely similar one in the same spot. It's from the big photoshoot that I believe was from the summer before her death. The same one we get those pictures of her with the green background and super curly hair from. I can't remember the photographer at the moment, and her memorial site is down so I can't check, but I know that there were a LOT of pictures of her in that white dress in an outdoor location. Very pretty pictures, actually.

ETA: I found it on acandyrose, it's the Randy Simons photoshoot from June 6th, 1996.

 

[FrankieB]

I have seen another one from that session, she's sitting on the rock instead of lying down.

 

[neesaki]

Talk about inappropriate...

http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/69/4aad571a9f29fc653b3af090a439c386/l.jpg

I've never seen that, yes disgustingly and blatantly inappropriate. That poor child. What was PR thinking, what a sick person she was. Didnt I read that PR had been sexually abused, possibly incest?

 

[FrankieB]

She had the tendency to detract attention from the real topic or answer questions with more questions but when she was asked about abuse in her own family while growing up she replied in a very dry and small voiced "no"

 

[neesaki]

She had the tendency to detract attention from the real topic or answer questions with more questions but when she was asked about abuse in her own family while growing up she replied in a very dry and small voiced "no"

That's right, I remember now. I always got strange vibes from that whole family.

 

[BBB167893]

I've never seen that, yes disgustingly and blatantly inappropriate. That poor child. What was PR thinking, what a sick person she was. Didn't I read that PR had been sexually abused, possibly incest?

You probably did read that, neesaki. No one knows for sure, but it's a popular idea.

 

[Tadpole12]

JBRs sexual abuse was organized. The rubbing of one spot indicates knowledge of how to introduce 'this will be the new normal'. It is not indicative of a 9yo boy's exploratory actions. It is harmful to the truth to perpetuate the myth by making light of JBR being a "little bit" sexually abused. This child was being abused and groomed for nefarious purposes. The damage was not caused by playing around between children. Just my opinion, that's all.

:cow:

TY DeDee.
ya, something to consider.

 

[neesaki]

JBRs sexual abuse was organized. The rubbing of one spot indicates knowledge of how to introduce 'this will be the new normal'. It is not indicative of a 9yo boy's exploratory actions. It is harmful to the truth to perpetuate the myth by making light of JBR being a "little bit" sexually abused. This child was being abused and groomed for nefarious purposes. The damage was not caused by playing around between children. Just my opinion, that's all.

:cow:

Groomed by who for nefarious purposes, if you can say ? Please forgive, I'm a little rusty on JB's case. TIA

 

[BBB167893]

Groomed by who for nefarious purposes, if you can say ? Please forgive, I'm a little rusty on JB's case. TIA

I'd like to know, too. I have my suspicions, but a new way of looking never hurts.

 

[kkdj]

Just from reading a few last posts......are we considering her parents allowed her to be sexually abused?

 

[UKGuy]

Just from reading a few last posts......are we considering her parents allowed her to be sexually abused?

kkdj,

COUNT IV(a) (Child Abuse Resulting in Death): On or between December 25, and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennett Ramsey (or alternately Patricia Paugh Ramsey) did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously, permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.Statute C.R.S. 18-6-401 says that Child Abuse Resulting in Death is a Class 2 Felony unless certain conditions change that status:
(7) (a) Where death or injury results, the following shall apply:

Yes, that's what one the charges in the true bills cites, the charge Child Abuse just doesn't state whether the parents were complicit or simply neglectful?

So you have to consider any parental motive in hiding any abuse, since by definition they never knew about it, right?


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[BBB167893]

You probably did read that, neesaki. No one knows for sure, but it's a popular idea.

Just to expand on this, Mark Beckner said in his AMA that they investigated Patsy's background for abuse, but found nothing to support the idea. I don't doubt that, but my question is, what would they have found after all of that time?

 

[Tadpole12]

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/for...-Mark-Beckner%92s-Q-amp-A-February-21-22-2015

MB, Answer:
2. Was a familial history of sexual abuse on Patsy's side considered/discovered during the course of the investigation by the police? There have been suggestions that her father (JonBenet's grandfather) may have been abusive to his daughters.
We looked into this and heard the same suggestions. Never found any evidence of this.

 

[BBB167893]

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/for...-Mark-Beckner%92s-Q-amp-A-February-21-22-2015

MB, Answer:
2. Was a familial history of sexual abuse on Patsy's side considered/discovered during the course of the investigation by the police? There have been suggestions that her father (JonBenet's grandfather) may have been abusive to his daughters.
We looked into this and heard the same suggestions. Never found any evidence of this.

That's the one, Tadpole12. But, as I say, what was the likelihood of finding anything after all that time?

 

[neesaki]

Just to expand on this, Mark Beckner said in his AMA that they investigated Patsy's background for abuse, but found nothing to support the idea. I don't doubt that, but my question is, what would they have found after all of that time?

True, and it's not likely the family would be truthful about a family secret like that. But it's not normal for a mother to sexualize her young daughter the way PR did. That's what pedophiles and sometimes victims of sexual abuse do. I've often thought that PR was using JB as a substitute, a stand in, for JR, to keep him from straying away from the home front. Jmo

 

[neesaki]

One other thing I've wondered about, if BR did sexually abuse JB, maybe he learned it from seeing someone else do it... daddy or big brother? jmo

 

[BBB167893]

True, and it's not likely the family would be truthful about a family secret like that. But it's not normal for a mother to sexualize her young daughter the way PR did. That's what pedophiles and sometimes victims of sexual abuse do. I've often thought that PR was using JB as a substitute, a stand in, for JR, to keep him from straying away from the home front. Jmo

That's an awful thought, neesaki. I don't think I can agree with it right now. But I will say this: on the first page of this thread, OneLove, a worker for some state agency, spoke about how victims of sexual abuse tend to repeat the cycle. Also, it seems to me that in this case, you had a perfect storm: a husband who deeply loves his wife, a wife rendered incapable of sexual activity (or at least incapable of enjoying it), and a beautiful, loving daughter who reminds the husband of his wife ("pure Patsy" I think were his words) and has been highly sexualized. It doesn't take a big leap to connect those dots, does it?

 

[BBB167893]

One other thing I've wondered about, if BR did sexually abuse JB, maybe he learned it from seeing someone else do it... daddy or big brother? jmo

Who knows? But it's not unheard of for there to be more than one abuser in a family. That kind of stuff is like a disease that spreads.