Why Burke did not kill JonBenet

[twizzler333]

The actual documents provided by authorities, i.e. official documents, autopsy report, search warrants, etc.

 

[twizzler333]

The head wound was HIDDEN. (As was the vaginal trauma by the way...) Nothing on JonBenet gave an obvious indication of how she died. So one was invented.
Unbeknownst to the perp though - she DID have a little life left in her after the head blow. Enough to cause some petechial hemorraging and neck bruises - but NOT your typical damage usually done to the tongue and to the hyoid bone and strap muscles of the neck. JonBenet had none of these injuries typically found in strangulation.
Even the coroner himself was hesitant to list one or the other injury as cause of death - so he listed BOTH.
Because BOTH did cause her death. Much to the perps' horror as he/she thought it was the head blow only.....

The FBI said this crime not only was staged - but had staging within staging as well.

You are not correct about head blows always producing all the blood you mentioned.

When was the FBI at the house when it was a crime scene to see if it was staged or not? I thought they weren't called in until later. Someone can be choked to death without disrupting the hyoid bone. It doesn't take a lot of compression of the airway to cut off the air flow.

If you believe the theory of PR being enraged or whatever then yes, I am sure you would believe that she slung her up against something or struck her in the head first and then tried to cover it up. That just makes absolutely no sense at all to me. I realize you believe these theories but they are just too far fetched for me. IMO

I believe it is a man with a sexual fixation of some sort. I think it is someone she knew, but not anyone in her family. JMO

 

[K777angel]

When was the FBI at the house when it was a crime scene to see if it was staged or not? I thought they weren't called in until later. Someone can be choked to death without disrupting the hyoid bone. It doesn't take a lot of compression of the airway to cut off the air flow.

If you believe the theory of PR being enraged or whatever then yes, I am sure you would believe that she slung her up against something or struck her in the head first and then tried to cover it up. That just makes absolutely no sense at all to me. I realize you believe these theories but they are just too far fetched for me. IMO

I believe it is a man with a sexual fixation of some sort. I think it is someone she knew, but not anyone in her family. JMO

First of all, I believe the FBI WAS called in to help that morning arriving at the home in the afternoon after the body was discovered. They were working with and advising the police all morning on the case.

Secondly, it makes no sense to consider that JonBenet was strangled, was obviously lying down as she would not have been able to sit or stand upright - she would have been unconcious at the very least, and then the perp chooses to club her on the side of her head?? HOW?? She is lying down! To try and exact a blow on the side of the head does not make sense. The perp would have to swing the object down and across at a very awkward angle. And why would a blow to the head even be necessary at this point if she was strangled to death??

Much more logical, and in fitting with the physical evidence, is that JonBenet was struck in the head by a blunt object which rendered her unconcious (perp thought she was dead). She is lying there with TWO hidden wounds (the vaginal injury which the perp tried to cover up and hide by wiping her down and pulling her pants back up) and the head wound INSIDE her brain.
Like the FBI said, the perp then asks him/herself: HOW DO I EXPLAIN THIS?
Yes - how can JonBenet's death be explained when there is no visible sign on her body at this point as to why she is dead. The perp already had made the decision that whatever happened in the home that night they were never going to reveal - so the only option left was to STAGE it to look like something it was not.
Therein comes the "tie a cord around her neck and wrists to make it look like she was strangled and I'll write a ransom note and hide the body so they think she was kidnapped."
Then the stager (Patsy) could not bear to just leave her daughter's body lying on the cold, dirt floor in the most remote room of the house she chose to hide her in, so she put blankets on the floor to lay her on and wrapped her tightly in a blanket (like you would a newborn). And lay her favorite nightie next to her.
These actions are NOT actions that a sexual pervert does in a crime.
They are actions done by someone who cares about the victim and is remorseful.
If this was "a man with a sexual fixation of some sort" as you claim, then there would be no ransom note for money and the perp would have come in to get his victim and flee with her to do his dirty deeds. Not stick around and NOT sit in the home writing a 3 page ransom note! The two goals - ransom money and sexual fixation are oil and water and different crimes committed by different kinds of perps. The main focus of this crime is not what was sexually done to JonBenet (that was minor compared to what sexual perverts really do to their victims) - the main focus was what was physically done to JonBenet. Mainly the head blow. The strangulation was a prop to complete "the look." The perp thought she was already dead and no harm would be done to her by pulling the cord around her neck.

Just out of curiousity since you believe it was an intruder who did this - just WHEN in the course of the crime did he put those 3 pages of note on the spiral stair steps?? This is very important to contemplate.

And the all important topic of the content of the note has not even been touched upon in your theory..... It too plays a crucial role in this crime.

 

[Britt]

It's also possible that JonBenet wasn't strangled at all, except for the phony garrote staging. It may have been a simple head blow. The skull fracture caused violent convulsions and death within minutes. As a former poster pointed out, people who die from convulsions literally suffocate to death as they are unable to gasp for air. The petechial hemorrhages later misinterpreted by the coroner (and others) as being from the ligature strangulation were actually caused by the convulsive suffocation. This scenario would also explain the bruising in the brain.

 

[K777angel]

It's also possible that JonBenet wasn't strangled at all, except for the phony garrote staging. It may have been a simple head blow. The skull fracture caused violent convulsions and death within minutes. As a former poster pointed out, people who die from convulsions literally suffocate to death as they are unable to gasp for air. The petechial hemorrhages later misinterpreted by the coroner (and others) as being from the ligature strangulation were actually caused by the convulsive suffocation. This scenario would also explain the bruising in the brain.

Cyril Wecht pointed out the possibility that JonBenet also suffered from what is typically known as "shaken baby syndrome." She had tell-tale bruising in her temples indicating this possibility. The idea is that the perp whacked her on the head and in his/her panic and horror desperately tried to SHAKE her awake. To no avail of course. Then the staging began....

 

[Seeker]

It's also possible that JonBenet wasn't strangled at all, except for the phony garrote staging. It may have been a simple head blow. The skull fracture caused violent convulsions and death within minutes. As a former poster pointed out, people who die from convulsions literally suffocate to death as they are unable to gasp for air. The petechial hemorrhages later misinterpreted by the coroner (and others) as being from the ligature strangulation were actually caused by the convulsive suffocation. This scenario would also explain the bruising in the brain.

Wasn't strangled? Sorry Britt but that is just silly! The cord was dug into her flesh with bruising underneath. The body doesn't bruise after the blood stops flowing through it....

 

[Britt]

Wasn't strangled? Sorry Britt but that is just silly! The cord was dug into her flesh with bruising underneath. The body doesn't bruise after the blood stops flowing through it....

Well yes, of course the garrote -- which was staging and intended as such -- was tied tightly around her neck, and it might've been tied on while she was still alive, the perp thinking she was already dead. She could've convulsed after the head blow and been near death when the garrote was applied.

 

[vicktor]

Just out of curiousity since you believe it was an intruder who did this - just WHEN in the course of the crime did he put those 3 pages of note on the spiral stair steps?? This is very important to contemplate.

And the all important topic of the content of the note has not even been touched upon in your theory..... It too plays a crucial role in this crime.

There is only 1 way that makes sense if the intruder left the note. He left the note on the stairs as the last thing he did before leaving. If he had left it on the stairs before taking JB to the basement, he would have risked discovery if anyone came down the stairs in the night for any reason. The fact that a chair blocked entrance to the room with the broken window and the fact that the butler's door was seen to be open indicates he went upstairs and left thru the butlers door. If the intruder had been a non-criminal type looking for revenge or whatever, he would have made a beeline for the broken window in a panic the second JB was gone. He wouldn't hang around to do some staging, and then venture up the stairs to leave the note, while listening to hear someone. Only someone with a similar criminal past, with little to lose, would do that.

 

[TressaRing28]

Number one reason Burke didn't do it; Patsy did it.

Children's victories are in games, and they don't need to have their souls saved.

Children's victories are in games, and they don't need to have their souls saved????

Brother moon what are you talking about?

Patsy was already saved. Healed of cancer she said....

DO NOT THINK PATSY KILLED JB, COVERUP MAYBE!

Although, I wonder about Burke, Children do commit murder--- No victory in that they DO need saved souls-- Punishment should fit the crime.

 

[TressaRing28]

Children's victories are in games, and they don't need to have their souls saved????

Brother moon what are you talking about?

DO NOT THINK PATSY KILLED JB, COVERUP MAYBE!

Although, I wonder about Burke, Children do commit murder--- No victory in that they DO need saved souls-- Punishment should fit the crime.

Brother moon LOL I just got your private message,asking me not to ask you questions on this Forum I have been here a few days and I have no idea why you would be so rude -----You made it sound like I had killed your soul just by asking you a question :boohoo:

Back on topic


Patsy didn't kill JB. Coverup maybe.

 

[Ivy]

Originally posted by TressaRing28
Patsy didn't kill JB. Coverup maybe.

Hi, TressaRing28. Welcome.

I agree that Patsy didn't kill JonBenet. No maybes for me, concerning Patsy's involvement, however. I'm convinced without a shadow of a doubt that Patsy and John together staged the crime scene as part of their ongoing coverup to hide the fact that Burke killed JonBenet, albeit unintentionally.

IMO

 

[TressaRing28]

Hi, TressaRing28. Welcome.

I agree that Patsy didn't kill JonBenet. No maybes for me, concerning Patsy's involvement, however. I'm convinced without a shadow of a doubt that Patsy and John together staged the crime scene as part of their ongoing coverup to hide the fact that Burke killed JonBenet, albeit unintentionally.

IMO

Thanks for the welcome Ivy.

This could be true. Also could answer the Baseball bat, other wise known as police photograph#410 found at side of house?

Picture of Burke and JB in DOI with Burke wearing a ball glove and JB on bike wearing fingerless gloves tell me he had played the sport, and could hit a baseball. Hence, huge crack and 8 in hole in JB head.

Also wondered about the Black eye that Burke wore in that Picture . Check it out.

:snooty: I just don't think they would stage it for anyone other than a family member.

 

[vicktor]

K777Angel: Much more logical ,and in fitting with the evidence, was that JB was struck by a blunt object and was unconscious...

Vicktor: There is a common sense way to show she wasn't hit first. Anytime you strike your head hard on something like a low ceiling or pipe, the scalp forms a big lump. It raises up and fully forms quickly, in only a few minutes. And if it was a substantial bump, the lump stays there for an hour or more. This happened to me numerous times as a kid. No bump was seen or described at autopsy, but it would have been very obvious to a professional looking for trauma.

 

[K777angel]

K777Angel: Much more logical ,and in fitting with the evidence, was that JB was struck by a blunt object and was unconscious...

Vicktor: There is a common sense way to show she wasn't hit first. Anytime you strike your head hard on something like a low ceiling or pipe, the scalp forms a big lump. It raises up and fully forms quickly, in only a few minutes. And if it was a substantial bump, the lump stays there for an hour or more. This happened to me numerous times as a kid. No bump was seen or described at autopsy, but it would have been very obvious to a professional looking for trauma.

Vicktor - There was no "lump" on her head because there was a big HOLE in her skull at the point of impact instead.

 

[twizzler333]

Even though there was a big HOLE in her skull, she still would have bled out a whole lot more than she did because when the heart is still beating, the blood is still pumping through the arteries and veins and it has to go somewhere when there is a hole.

Think of it this way- you have a water hose with water flowing through it, you cause something to puncture it, and the water still flows out at the same rate the water is being pumped through the hose to begin with. IF you turn the hose off THEN puncture it, the water that is in there will drain out but it will not burst out at the rate it was when it was flowing.

When her head was bashed, the arteries and vessels that were abrupted bled but not gushed out because the blood was not flowing and being pumped by a beating heart. I have personally SEEN intracerebral hemorrhages on persons who were alive and there is alot more blood than the minimal amount found on her autopsy (which amounted to about a teaspoon). I held my neighbor as she was dying from a fall outside and while she had no bleeding from her scalp, she did have blood coming from her nose, mouth and ears. She did not have a skull fracture but the fall and hitting her head so hard caused her brain to jumble around in her skull and break vessels, etc. I personally saw the CT scan films and saw the significant amount of internal bleeding that was in her head!!! K777 your theory just doesn't fit! Sorry. Show me a case where a person is ALIVE and bashed in the head that way and still has that little amount of hemorrhage and I will apologize for being so objective about this. I have NEVER seen it in my lifetime. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see it with the significant skull fracture JBR had.

 

[Britt]

The relatively small amount of hemorrhaging (two teaspoons, per Dr. Wecht) may be due to pressure on the vagus nerve slowing blood flow.

This could've happened if someone were strangling JB as they hit her on the head.

This could also have happened if someone were choking her - that is, grabbed her by the neck, putting pressure on the vagus nerve - as her head struck something or someone struck her.

The latter scenario is consistent with a rage attack.

It was not necessarily some exotic sex game or garroting for garroting's sake scenario.

 

[K777angel]

K777 your theory just doesn't fit! Sorry. Show me a case where a person is ALIVE and bashed in the head that way and still has that little amount of hemorrhage and I will apologize for being so objective about this. I have NEVER seen it in my lifetime. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see it with the significant skull fracture JBR had.

Unless you are a doctor yourself twizzler333 then why would your "seeing" it in your lifetime or not be of significance?

Not only do many experts who have read the autopsy report and studied the crime believe the head blow DID come first - the coroner himself who conducted the autopsy could not state just which injury inflicted on JonBenet caused her death. So the head blow COULD have come first with just a fleck of life left in her enough (unbeknowst perhaps to the perp even) to actually cause some physical trauma when the cord was pulled around her neck. Then which do you determine then actually caused her death??

You do not consider the fact that the head blow ITSELF was of such a magnitude to little JonBenet's brain that upon impact it disrupted her bodily functions - including her heart rate - to the point of barely pumping and therefore explaining the small amount of bleeding in her brain.
Also, there were small "contusions" or bruises in each of her temporal lobes
on the sides of her head. These are marks often seen when a child is "shaken". Perhaps after the blow to her head? Trying desperately to wake her up.....when she didn't and was believed to be dead - and there was no VISIBLE sign on her body to indicate just how she had died: the perp HAD to come up with something obvious visually to imply what had killed her.
The cord around her neck to imply strangulation was chosen.

The other serious problem you or anyone has with a strangulation first scenario is the position of JonBenet's body when struck on the side of the head!
Obviously if she was strangled first and unconscious - she would not be standing up to receive the blow to the side of her head where she was struck
but would be lying down.
So do you really think that as she lay flat the perp chose a very awkward
blow to her head?? It just makes no sense. Picture that scenario in your mind. Especially since the perp could have chosen a zillion other ways to "finish her off" at such a point than swing some object awkwardly and without as much force swingly sideways and down as hauling off and swinging mid-air. Perhaps running after her.....
That blow was struck on her when she was upright. And before the cord was placed around her neck and loosely tied on her wrist to stage the scene.

 

[Britt]

Not only do many experts who have read the autopsy report and studied the crime believe the head blow DID come first -

That's right, K777angel. Some believe the hemorrhaging and swelling in the brain indicate that the head blow came 20 to 60 minutes before the strangulation.

 

[twizzler333]

The other serious problem you or anyone has with a strangulation first scenario is the position of JonBenet's body when struck on the side of the head!
Obviously if she was strangled first and unconscious - she would not be standing up to receive the blow to the side of her head where she was struck
but would be lying down.
So do you really think that as she lay flat the perp chose a very awkward
blow to her head?? It just makes no sense. Picture that scenario in your mind.

So what you are saying is that she could not have been lying on her back with her head turned to the side with the right side up? If I recall the autopsy report correctly, she had a comminuted skull fracture (which means the fracture is in pieces) which extends from the right occipital (located kind of behind/below the ear area) to posteroparietal area (near the top side closer to the back but still on the side of the cranium). It is impossible to strike someone lying with their head turned to the side while lying on the floor???? Is that what you are saying? They HAVE to be in the upright position to take a blow to that area? just checking.

 

[HaleysSurprise]

It's unfortunate that children like Burke, Prince William & Charles, and OJ Simpson/Nicole's children have to see a member of their family killed when they are at such a young age.
It's hard to understand death, period, but especially when you are so young.

My take is, Burke knows something.
He is still too young to talk about it but there will come a time, I think, when he will break down and tell what he knows whether or not he is involved.
Maybe at a college party, he'll get drunk and spill his beans to a girl, or a buddy or something.

Burke may talk some day -- and I think it will be interesting when and if he does.