Why Burke did not kill JonBenet

[Fran Bancroft]

Why would the Ramseys have such a need as they did to distance Burke from any connection to what happened from Christmas night to the present if he were just an innocent child who slept through everything and had nothing to do with JonBenet's demise?

Their actions - and Burke's - are far too suspicious to let Burke off the hook.

First, they claim they did not even wake him up upon discovering a ransom note and his sister missing! Missing from the same floor he slept on the night before. Not only were they not concerned that he may have been harmed and just lying there in his bed injured or dead - but he may KNOW something.
May have seen or heard something weird during the night that might give them a clue to where his sister is.
But they ignored him they say. They say he just slept right on through the chaos of screaming and panic.
No 9/10 yr old boy is gonna lie there still when all this is going on!
And come to find out - he didn't!
He WAS up and awake. During the 911 call.
So WHY did his parents feel a need to sheild him and lie about something seemingly so benign as waking up that morning??
Why? Because their ALIBI for everything that night and morning was: SLEEP.
JonBenet slept.
They slept.
And Burke slept.
They had no reason to lie for Burke if he was innocent. None what so ever.

I believe the reason they hustled him quickly out of the house that morning was because he had more of a chance talking THERE - with police everywhere at that time - than over at the White's locked into his Nintendo.
The Ramseys wanted him far away from the prying questions of the police.
There were none at the White's and they knew it.
No one would bug him with questions over there and they told him to just say that he didn't know anything and was "sleeping."
Unbeknownst to them a detective DID stop by the White's to chat with Burke.
Logical. They needed to find out if he might have some helpful information.
(His parents said they never asked him...)

And then, in John Ramseys own words, when they FINALLY reunited with Burke that evening and told him his sister was D-E-A-D - he didn't even react. He simply nodded his head and ran off to play!!
He never asked questions that morning why all the police were at his house, why they weren't going on the airplane and to Michigan, why everyone was crying etc.
And he asked no questions of how his sister died, who killed her, where did they find her, will they come get me too?? All the logical questions and feelings a young boy would have.

When a psychologist interviewed him (with Patsy sobbing outside the room) about the death of his sister her asessment of him was that his "lack of effect was pronounced." Indifferent.

His parents claim they never talked to him much at all about what happened to JonBenet. Think about that. You mean to tell me that HE didn't hammer them with questions and concerns???? Somebody breaks into his safe home and beats and murders his little sister who was supposedley asleep in the bedroom right down the hall from his - and he just isn't interested in it??
C'mon!!
Something is terribly wrong here.
Then his parents send him to a psychiatrist and move him to another state.
Now - at age 17 they move him yet again to another state.

I think there is a LOT we do not know about Burke Ramsey and what happened that night and since.
He has been successfully protected by his parents through very expensive means.
To this day.

Someone is going to talk someday.

I gotta disagree STRONGLY! I had a child die and 3 siblings who all responded differently. One, very disconnected...a boy who focused on playing. You can't assume that Burke's response equates guilt.

 

[Fran Bancroft]

Yeah, this makes perfect sense until you consider the alternative. If Burke was involved, would you want him roaming around in a house full of cops who are asking constant questions--especially when you know that at ANY moment the body could be discovered? HELL NO - get him out of the house FAST!

As a parent, I would get him out of the house to protect him from what was happening...he's a child and has no place there. Common sense folks.

I suppose the rest of you would have your 9 yo view the body and discuss all angles and everything with the police...yeah, right!

You know, judges don't like kids in court for adult "disputes" as it's "inappropriate", but, for a kid's sister's murder, he should hang around?

 

[TressaRing28]

Maybe you are right, however some would call that denial. JMO

No way denial Sis,

We have to grow.

I would never want my children to hear me living in the past.

We all have problems in our Lives but, once again, if we relive it over and over, and not close that part up, we can't receive the blessing that living day to day brings . YaKnow?

Tressa :blowkiss:

 

[londonPI]

there are too many pages in this post to read it all, so, if this has been talked about, i apologize. when John Ramsey decided to become a politician in Charlevoix, I read somewhere that the Ramsey's moved there at the request of Burke - anyone else hear this and if so, what do you make of them uprooting their whole lives so he could finish high school in a school he had never attended. i find this odd to say the least

 

[K777angel]

there are too many pages in this post to read it all, so, if this has been talked about, i apologize. when John Ramsey decided to become a politician in Charlevoix, I read somewhere that the Ramsey's moved there at the request of Burke - anyone else hear this and if so, what do you make of them uprooting their whole lives so he could finish high school in a school he had never attended. i find this odd to say the least

londonPI - While I have not read that it was Burke who "requested" the uprooting from Atlanta and move to Michigan - I have always said that it is very, very curious as to why they would do it. Especially when Burke is almost finished with high school! I have a son the same exact age as Burke and I cannot imagine uprooting him away from his family and friends and moving to another state! It's not as if John Ramsey had some lucrative job offer they couldn't refuse.
I have wondered if Burke wasn't having alot of difficulty and problems in Georgia and it was agreed that moving him away from bad influences and situations there was in his best interest.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Afterall - if John Ramsey wanted to run for public office why couldn't he have done it in Georgia??

 

[UKGuy]

Hello everyone, I dont think burke did it, simply based upon his age, and the subsequent planning and organization. It does not seem to hang together. I have read most of the theories and BDI seems to be the most consistent.

Yet given todays media driven world where not much stays secret, consider the intimate details released in the Kobe Bryant case, or the recent closure of some stateside online child safety database, since it was open for public viewing. If BDI was true I think it would have leaked out long ago, if only for political reasons, to regain some face for BPD, this I suspect has greater political priority than that of anonymity.
Along with the media attention and celebrity this case brings it would just override any legal concerns.

Burke Did It: Did what , ten-years old and he deliberately or accidentally kills his younger sister. I accept young boys are capable of some serious crimes, but deliberate premeditated murder, given his age and relatively affluent life style its difficult to see any rationale for this. Accident: this is possible , but of all the accidents JobBenet could have met with whilst with her brother, she met a violent mortal one. Something does not add up here. To stage a murder scene, whoever you are , whichever status you have in your community, you must know well in advance that this will bring more media and police attention than reporting an accident. Particularly the murder of a child. So why not stage an accident?

I feel there is something missing, something that is obvious yet has escaped peoples attention as they build their theories.

The killer(s) of JonBenet brought something to the murder scene and they took something away.

Although I think BDI is the most consistent thats because it largely fits the known facts, but I suspect there are facts we do not know, and those once factored in may swing the balance of guilt towards PDI. Individual guilt somehow seems innapropriate given all the circumstances and physical evidence, in the absence of any compelling explanation, as a theory or WDI some form of Group conspiracy, I feel would better explain most of the evidence.

 

[BlueCrab]

To stage a murder scene, whoever you are , whichever status you have in your community, you must know well in advance that this will bring more media and police attention than reporting an accident. Particularly the murder of a child. So why not stage an accident?

UKGuy,

Welcome; and your first post is a good one.

I'm intrigued by the question "Why not stage an accident?" It's obvious the crime scene was staged, with the phony ransom note as the prize exhibit of staging. But if the killer(s) were going to stage the crime scene to make it appear to be something it wasn't, why make it a kidnap/murder? Why not fake an accident?

The answer appears to be the perp wanted suspicion to point OUT of the house, and a kidnap/murder scenario was the only way to do that. An accident scenario would have kept suspicion IN the house.

The erotic asphyxiation device wrapped around JonBenet's neck had likely already left deep furrows in the neck that could not have been explained by anyone IN the house. Therefore, the amateurish staging was made to point OUT of the house.

JMO

 

[UKGuy]

BlueCrab Thank you. Well the inversion was meant to intrigue I was going to tease out an inversion around the assumption that JR did not know about the age of criminal responsibilty!

Also to underline that as a plan, idea or method of drawing attention away, the staging of a murder ie not a kidnapping, or a sexual assault, would never work.

Consider removing the "The erotic asphyxiation device" replace with similar rope and proceed to stage up a mock accident, lets say the kids were plays gallows, or parachute jumping and it all went wrong. "Honestly Officer, she and burke played this game regularly and there has been a dreadful accident" . The sexual element seems only to take on importance assuming it was perpetrated prior to her death. The reports about abuse appear to be ambiguous.

John Ramsey's intelligence and resourcefulness is referred to many times, as indirect evidence, alluding to his ability to stage a murder scene. Given that is the case then I am simply suggesting that staging an accident is the more intelligent presentation, with the possibility of minimizing media and police attention.

Staging a murder, presented as a kidnap and ransom, but without the kidnap or ransom elements because the body is in the house, points directly at the house. The subsequent media feeding frenzy demonstrates this. So any intention to point OUT of the house fails.

This given John Ramsey's understanding of the media would have been obvious. Even if my assumptions are wrong, there is this inconsistency between the staging intentions within the BDI and the actual outcome.

So I feel there is more to it than a covered up accident, presented as a murder scene, after a kidnap and ransom, hey that is really convoluted and complex.

I'll bet Columbo would ask John Ramsey just one more question then solve it all

 

[Nehemiah]

As a parent, I would get him out of the house to protect him from what was happening...he's a child and has no place there. Common sense folks.

I suppose the rest of you would have your 9 yo view the body and discuss all angles and everything with the police...yeah, right!

You know, judges don't like kids in court for adult "disputes" as it's "inappropriate", but, for a kid's sister's murder, he should hang around?

If the Rs were truly innocent, they had no reason to believe that morning that JB was murdered and that Burke would view the body there at the home. They supposedly awoke to a kidnapping...a scary situation whereby someone had entered their home, taken their beloved child, left a ransom note, and made all sorts of written threats...a situation where someone obviously had deep hatred for them because the money amount demanded by the note was certainly not an overt motive for a kidnapping for money. I think most people have trouble understanding why the Rs would ship Burke off to another location when he could have been in danger himself...

 

[Fran Bancroft]

If the Rs were truly innocent, they had no reason to believe that morning that JB was murdered and that Burke would view the body there at the home. They supposedly awoke to a kidnapping...a scary situation whereby someone had entered their home, taken their beloved child, left a ransom note, and made all sorts of written threats...a situation where someone obviously had deep hatred for them because the money amount demanded by the note was certainly not an overt motive for a kidnapping for money. I think most people have trouble understanding why the Rs would ship Burke off to another location when he could have been in danger himself...

As a parent, I don't agree. I would ship him out because of what was going on that the "adults" had to handle. I frequently send my kids in another room or whatever, and I would have "absolutely" if my daughter was missing.

Additionally, I would not be inclined to think that my other child was in danger.

 

[sissi]

UK GUY, Yes that made sense! A staged accident would make sense if the parents were covering. Staging an elaborate sex/murder crime doesn't sound very "parent like".

 

[Fran Bancroft]

UK GUY, Yes that made sense! A staged accident would make sense if the parents were covering. Staging an elaborate sex/murder crime doesn't sound very "parent like".

Exactly!!! I couldn't agree more!!!! That would be extremely twisted!

No, the person who did this is definitely consumed with sex and hatred.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab Thank you. Well the inversion was meant to intrigue I was going to tease out an inversion around the assumption that JR did not know about the age of criminal responsibilty!

Also to underline that as a plan, idea or method of drawing attention away, the staging of a murder ie not a kidnapping, or a sexual assault, would never work.

Consider removing the "The erotic asphyxiation device" replace with similar rope and proceed to stage up a mock accident, lets say the kids were plays gallows, or parachute jumping and it all went wrong. "Honestly Officer, she and burke played this game regularly and there has been a dreadful accident" . The sexual element seems only to take on importance assuming it was perpetrated prior to her death. The reports about abuse appear to be ambiguous.

John Ramsey's intelligence and resourcefulness is referred to many times, as indirect evidence, alluding to his ability to stage a murder scene. Given that is the case then I am simply suggesting that staging an accident is the more intelligent presentation, with the possibility of minimizing media and police attention.

Staging a murder, presented as a kidnap and ransom, but without the kidnap or ransom elements because the body is in the house, points directly at the house. The subsequent media feeding frenzy demonstrates this. So any intention to point OUT of the house fails.

This given John Ramsey's understanding of the media would have been obvious. Even if my assumptions are wrong, there is this inconsistency between the staging intentions within the BDI and the actual outcome.

So I feel there is more to it than a covered up accident, presented as a murder scene, after a kidnap and ransom, hey that is really convoluted and complex.

I'll bet Columbo would ask John Ramsey just one more question then solve it all

UKGuy,

Excellent response. But I feel as though, given John Ramsey's intelligence and common-sense ability to do a better job of staging, he was not likely involved in any of the staging, or at least, very little of the staging, and especially in the early "planning" of the staging.

I think John Ramsey inherited almost all of the staging, including the grisly mutilation of the body and the ridiculous ransom note. John and Patsy did the best they could to develop a coverup after inheriting the amateurish staging the kids had accomplished to that point.

JMO

 

[twizzler333]

UKGuy,

John and Patsy did the best they could to develop a coverup after inheriting the amateurish staging the kids had accomplished to that point.

JMO

Would a child try to cover up in such a way at all? I would think most children would just hide her somewhere, and then go back to bed and hope that when they find her they remember them being in bed asleep.

 

[BlueCrab]

Would a child try to cover up in such a way at all? I would think most children would just hide her somewhere, and then go back to bed and hope that when they find her they remember them being in bed asleep.

Twizzler,

Please don't underestimate the skill children possess in blaming others. A five-year-old? NO; he'd not be capable of the staging. An intelligent ten-year-old? YES; he would be capable of the staging -- including the ransom note.

JMO

 

[twizzler333]

I understand there are some capable of doing such, but what would MOST children do? I don't know, it just seems a bit odd to me, but who knows? You may be right.

 

[tuppence]

Exactly!!! I couldn't agree more!!!! That would be extremely twisted!

No, the person who did this is definitely consumed with sex and hatred.

I disagree - if they knew she would show signs of sexual abuse, they would want to do what they could with the staging to point signs to an external source

 

[BrotherMoon]

Twizzler,

Please don't underestimate the skill children possess in blaming others. A five-year-old? NO; he'd not be capable of the staging. An intelligent ten-year-old? YES; he would be capable of the staging -- including the ransom note.

JMO

If he was so capable and intelligent, why do you dismiss the note as ridiculous? You have said that a number of times