Why deny?

[Rino]

I thought she wanted to put forwad the notion that beauty, grace and sexuality oozing from her and her daughter (sick) was effortless.

 

[DeeDee249]

She admitted on having a normal routine of arising around midnight and checking on JonBenet so she could take JonBenet on a midnight potty run; she admitted not doing it on the night JonBenet was killed.

P.S. Buying the Bloomies would suggest she had some inkling of where they ended up after she bought them.

Of course, admitting she did not take JBR on a midnight potty run wasn't really an admission. It was a lie. Because she WAS with JBR at midnight. Staging her murder.

 

[trixie]

In MY humble opinion she admitted to killing Jonbenet.
She admitted on the show with ST that "Whoever wrote the note is the killer."
'Nuff said.

 

[Albert18]

In MY humble opinion she admitted to killing Jonbenet.
She admitted on the show with ST that "Whoever wrote the note is the killer."
'Nuff said.

You are too few in number.

Patsy has told us what happened and yet we still read about Burke theories, John theories, etc. This is why I say that John could release a statement tomorrow detailing everything that happened and if what he said didn't agree with people's pet theory, they wouldn't believe him.

I think Patsy loved JonBenet dearly and I also think Patsy was a very strong, intelligent women. There is no way I see her taking responsibility for what somebody else has done, even if it had been Burke. You can't argue she is narcistic and then argue she is covering for somebody else in such a horrific event. Not when that event involves hurting her baby.

Patsy has spoken, the only question now is what happened after that.

 

[azwriter]

Denial and Patsy just go hand in hand. Quick! Off the top of your head, name me one thing that Patsy admitted to!!!

How about that she loved "that child with the hole of my heart."
jmo

 

[Nuisanceposter]

You are too few in number.

Patsy has told us what happened and yet we still read about Burke theories, John theories, etc. This is why I say that John could release a statement tomorrow detailing everything that happened and if what he said didn't agree with people's pet theory, they wouldn't believe him.

Someone actually told me on another board that he could watch a videotaped confession of the Ramseys admitting it all, and he still would not believe it. Apparently any confession from the Rs would have been false and obviously garnered through coercion.

I think Patsy loved JonBenet dearly and I also think Patsy was a very strong, intelligent women. There is no way I see her taking responsibility for what somebody else has done, even if it had been Burke. You can't argue she is narcistic and then argue she is covering for somebody else in such a horrific event. Not when that event involves hurting her baby.

Patsy has spoken, the only question now is what happened after that.

I agree. I think Patsy really did love JonBenet with the whole of her heart, and never meant to cause her any serious harm, but I do not believe she would go through all of this, this tarnishment to her reputation, this denial of the dreams she had for herself and her life and her legacy, for anyone other than herself. She would never take the heat of "baby killer" if someone else did it...I just don't know who was causing the damage inside JonBenet. How is it related to the murder, or is it at all? Patsy, IMO, did not seem surprised to hear of evidence of prior abuse - she got defensive, like she knew that was already there. Would Patsy cover for that person, if she was the one to kill JB but not the one who caused the damage?

 

[BOESP]

Yes, how convenient!

Ames, think about this. Patsy said she sent her FAO Schwartz Christmas gifts to be gift-wrapped and sent home by FAO'S's gift-wrapping service. According to Patsy, the size 12 Bloomies were to be a Christmas gift for Patsy's niece in Georgia.

The FAO'S gifts were found wrapped, sitting in the basement, with the ends unwrapped as if someone had peeked inside the packages. We could assume whoever peeked wanted to know what was in them. Patsy said she peeked to find Burke's birthday gift.

It is reasonable to assume, in my view, the size 12s would have been in that group of packages intended for Christmas gifts.

So, are we to believe JonBenet was with Patsy when Patsy peeked and JonBenet threw a fit to keep them for herself. Or, did Patsy just tell JonBenet about them and Patsy peeked to find the panties for JonBenet.

It sounds to me like Patsy had to have two "peeking sessions," one to find the size 12s and one to find Burke's birthday gift. Wonder why she only mentioned one. Or, do we assume she decided not to have that one gift, the panties, wrapped and sent home -- that wouldn't make sense to me but then I've never been to New York. :dance:

 

[JMO8778]

Good thoughts,Boesp,I also wonder about LHP saying she last saw the big bloomies in JB's drawer.so I wonder,did Patsy take them out and wrap them b/f Xmas,or did they use those for the staging? Also,some turned up later that the R's turned in,although who knows when those were bought,I am doubting anyone checked into that.

 

[BOESP]

In MY humble opinion she admitted to killing Jonbenet.
She admitted on the show with ST that "Whoever wrote the note is the killer."
'Nuff said.

I agree. John, in my opinion, nearly dropped his drawers when she said that. Steve Thomas and Larry King went stone-cold quiet. What a moment!

Of course, admitting she did not take JBR on a midnight potty run wasn't really an admission. It was a lie. Because she WAS with JBR at midnight. Staging her murder.

I'd agree with that too. Of course, my opinion and a dollar will buy a cup of coffee around here but maybe not in Boulder.

 

[BOESP]

You are too few in number.

Patsy has told us what happened and yet we still read about Burke theories, John theories, etc. This is why I say that John could release a statement tomorrow detailing everything that happened and if what he said didn't agree with people's pet theory, they wouldn't believe him.

I think Patsy loved JonBenet dearly and I also think Patsy was a very strong, intelligent women. There is no way I see her taking responsibility for what somebody else has done, even if it had been Burke. You can't argue she is narcistic and then argue she is covering for somebody else in such a horrific event. Not when that event involves hurting her baby.

Patsy has spoken, the only question now is what happened after that.

Albert, you hit the nail on the head. The only thing that remains is proving beyond a reasonable doubt how it happened and who was involved as an accessory after the fact, in my opinion.

I would disagree, however, that Patsy would not cover for Burke. I think she would have.

 

[BOESP]

... I agree. I think Patsy really did love JonBenet with the whole of her heart, and never meant to cause her any serious harm, but I do not believe she would go through all of this, this tarnishment to her reputation, this denial of the dreams she had for herself and her life and her legacy, for anyone other than herself. She would never take the heat of "baby killer" if someone else did it...I just don't know who was causing the damage inside JonBenet. How is it related to the murder, or is it at all? Patsy, IMO, did not seem surprised to hear of evidence of prior abuse - she got defensive, like she knew that was already there. Would Patsy cover for that person, if she was the one to kill JB but not the one who caused the damage?

NP, I believe Patsy would cover if Patsy was the one who did the damage. I still side with the "corporal punishment" theory that consists of roughly cleaning JonBenet's private area.

 

[Rino]

NP, I believe Patsy would cover if Patsy was the one who did the damage. I still side with the "corporal punishment" theory that consists of roughly cleaning JonBenet's private area.

I do too.

I think Pasey knew it was wrong and knew it could and would be found out, thats why the staged sex crime. It doesn't make sense to me that they so strongly deny any sexaul abuse at all being possible unless of couse the abuse that did occure is hidden aka the staged crime scene. All self preservation after the fact.

 

[BOESP]

Good thoughts,Boesp,I also wonder about LHP saying she last saw the big bloomies in JB's drawer.so I wonder,did Patsy take them out and wrap them b/f Xmas,or did they use those for the staging? Also,some turned up later that the R's turned in,although who knows when those were bought,I am doubting anyone checked into that.

I'm not sure what to make of Pugh's statement on them being in the drawer. They aren't on the warrant list of recovered evidence and, as you said, Patsy later turned some in. An Intruder might remove a pair of replacement panties from JonBenet's drawer for some use in the crime, but I highly doubt the Intruder would remove ALL pairs of size-12 Bloomies. Doesn't make a bit a sense to do that.

 

[rashomon]

I'm not sure what to make of Pugh's statement on them being in the drawer. They aren't on the warrant list of recovered evidence and, as you said, Patsy later turned some in. An Intruder might remove a pair of replacement panties from JonBenet's drawer for some use in the crime, but I highly doubt the Intruder would remove ALL pairs of size-12 Bloomies. Doesn't make a bit a sense to do that.

If those size 12 Bloomies were actually in the drawer and the police could not find them in their house search, the Ramseys probably hid them somewhere else before the police arrived.

 

[JMO8778]

If those size 12 Bloomies were actually in the drawer and the police could not find them in their house search, the Ramseys probably hid them somewhere else before the police arrived.

I was thinking they may have taken the Wed. pair out,and hid the rest,and PP retrieved them in her run of the house.

 

[rashomon]

I think Patsy loved JonBenet dearly and I also think Patsy was a very strong, intelligent women. There is no way I see her taking responsibility for what somebody else has done, even if it had been Burke. You can't argue she is narcistic and then argue she is covering for somebody else in such a horrific event. Not when that event involves hurting her baby.

I too think the only person the narcissist Patsy would ever have covered up for was herself.
It was fibers from her jacket which were found in the paint tray, on the duct tape and in the garrote, and in all probability it was she who wrote the ransom note. So she was the main stager of the scene, and it is logical to assume that the main stager of the scene was also the perp.
In all interviews, it was John who tried to shield Patsy from incriminating questions. Like you said - she looked like the guilty defendant and John like her slick lawyer.
To me, this crime has Patsy Ramsey written all over it, and even if JonBenet should have been the victim of chronic sexual abuse, this abuse needn't have been connected to Patsy's rage attack on that fatal night. jmo

 

[rashomon]

I was thinking they may have taken the Wed. pair out,and hid the rest,and PP retrieved them in her run of the house.

Definitely a possibility imo. Does anyone know if the items Pam Paugh retrieved from the Ramsey home showed up in any police report? If yes, was she required to show the items to the police, or did they just take her word for it?

 

[Albert18]

I would disagree, however, that Patsy would not cover for Burke. I think she would have.

But this wasn't "covering for", this was taking responsibility.

 

[BOESP]

But this wasn't "covering for", this was taking responsibility.

My usage of "covering for" could be interpreted as "taking responsibility for."

I can see Patsy doing that but with Colorado law like it is she probably wouldn't have had to make that choice. By the way, I don't think Burke did it. I just have a few lingering doubts because I don't fully understand Colorado Code on handling children under ten involved in felony offenses.

 

[coloradokares]

My usage of "covering for" could be interpreted as "taking responsibility for."

I can see Patsy doing that but with Colorado law like it is she probably wouldn't have had to make that choice. By the way, I don't think Burke did it. I just have a few lingering doubts because I don't fully understand Colorado Code on handling children under ten involved in felony offenses.

In Colorado if you are under 10 you are not held as responsible for a crime you commit. I have let my mind wander on the what if rammifications of that law . Not that Burke did anything. What if it was blamed behind closed doors on him. Is that why things were stonewalled and shut down after the Grand Jury and only a pretese made at investigation of the crime? Then I think wouldnt that somehow come out. Nah!! That just Couldnt be!! :slap: