Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

  • She was abducted

    Votes: 187 36.7%
  • She wandered off and disappeared

    Votes: 14 2.8%
  • She was overdosed on sedatives; parents covered it up

    Votes: 168 33.0%
  • She met with an accident; parents covered it up

    Votes: 65 12.8%
  • One of her parents was violent to her and killed her

    Votes: 63 12.4%
  • Any other reason Madeleine went missing

    Votes: 12 2.4%

  • Total voters
    509
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That is one thing I agree with you. It is still a possibility that she is wrong and it's a possibility that she's right. I just find it hard for her to be 100% sure without having a look at the childs face.

I don't think that it could ever be considered a 100% identification unless the child is recovered on the spot.

I do think that the eyewitness identification fits with an IDI theory even though she didn't get a good look at the child's face.

I don't need 100% verification to believe that it's possible for Jane to have seen Madeleine being carried away. MOO.
 
I don't think that it could ever be considered a 100% identification unless the child is recovered on the spot.

I do think that the eyewitness identification fits with an IDI theory even though she didn't get a good look at the child's face.

I don't need 100% verification to believe that it's possible for Jane to have seen Madeleine being carried away. MOO.

In that case you must be willing to accept the Smith family's positive ID of Gerry being the man who they saw carrying a child, no?
 
I believe Tanner saw someone carrying Madeleine away too.

The same person the Smiths saw.

The person they identified as Gerry McCann.

:sick:

The only people who are entitled to outrage at this case or the discussion of it are *IMO* the PJ, specifically one Goncalo Amaral, also Robert Murat and his mother who were literally examined from the inside out thanks to Tanner and her false ID.

:cow:


Back to the Smiths again..

Why do you continue to ignore that Martin Smith (and supposedly his wife) were 60-80% sure it was Gerry. Why is it that despite the fact that even they themselves are not sure that it was Gerry you have ignored this and claim that it was definitely Gerry?

Why do you also ignore that the other 2 members of the Smith group did not think that it was Gerry.

You realise that Martin Smith's own admission that he could not say 100% that it was Gerry McCann would not make it into court because it is not reliable evidence.

Why is this still being brought up?

<modsnip>
 
In that case you must be willing to accept the Smith family's positive ID of Gerry being the man who they saw carrying a child, no?

I suggest you go to the Police files and read all the Smith's families statements.
 
That is one thing I agree with you. It is still a possibility that she is wrong and it's a possibility that she's right. I just find it hard for her to be 100% sure without having a look at the childs face.

Surely if she had seen the child properly she would have known it was madeleine.

All she saw was dangly legs and feet it could have been a boy being carried. Also it was dusk as well hardly light enough to see much properly. The assumption was made the child was wearing pyjamas, it could have easily been shorts, and the child was being carried home after an exhausting day out. Just because no one came forward doesnt mean it wasnt someone on holiday.

Not sure I would want to say anything, i could have been dragged into something i didnt want to be dragged into who knows how people think, that is if someone was actually carrying a child past the road and the Ocean Club in full view of everyone.
 
Back to the Smiths again..

Why do you continue to ignore that Martin Smith (and supposedly his wife) were 60-80% sure it was Gerry. Why is it that despite the fact that even they themselves are not sure that it was Gerry you have ignored this and claim that it was definitely Gerry?

Why do you also ignore that the other 2 members of the Smith group did not think that it was Gerry.

You realise that Martin Smith's own admission that he could not say 100% that it was Gerry McCann would not make it into court because it is not reliable evidence.

Why is this still being brought up?

Sick of linking the same information over and over again because people like to ignore the parts of this investigation that they don't like.

And you think Jane Tanner's would? <modsnip>
 
Back to the Smiths again..

Why do you continue to ignore that Martin Smith (and supposedly his wife) were 60-80% sure it was Gerry. Why is it that despite the fact that even they themselves are not sure that it was Gerry you have ignored this and claim that it was definitely Gerry?

Why do you also ignore that the other 2 members of the Smith group did not think that it was Gerry.

You realise that Martin Smith's own admission that he could not say 100% that it was Gerry McCann would not make it into court because it is not reliable evidence.

Why is this still being brought up?

<modsnip>[/QUOTE

BBM-probably because it really isn't any different than Tanner's sighting of a man carrying a "bundle", that turned into an abductor carrying Maddie, after the McCanns saying she was snatched-JT had no idea what she saw until then-at that point she suddenly recognized what she saw? Everyone in law enforcement (and even some "regular people") know that eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. That is simply a fact.
 
Back to the Smiths again..

Why do you continue to ignore that Martin Smith (and supposedly his wife) were 60-80% sure it was Gerry. Why is it that despite the fact that even they themselves are not sure that it was Gerry you have ignored this and claim that it was definitely Gerry?

Why do you also ignore that the other 2 members of the Smith group did not think that it was Gerry.

You realise that Martin Smith's own admission that he could not say 100% that it was Gerry McCann would not make it into court because it is not reliable evidence.

Why is this still being brought up?

<modsnip>[/QUOTE

BBM-probably because it really isn't any different than Tanner's sighting of a man carrying a "bundle", that turned into an abductor carrying Maddie, after the McCanns saying she was snatched-JT had no idea what she saw until then-at that point she suddenly recognized what she saw? Everyone in law enforcement (and even some "regular people") know that eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. That is simply a fact.

I totally agree with you. It makes no sense anyway this sighting the timing is off.

IF we are to believe Gerry had just checked the kids and was standing outside yards away from his apartment talking to a friend, where was the abductor? Also how did the abductor get out of the apartment without a noise, or Madeleine kicking off......She seemed a feisty child for her age with a bit of spunk...I cant imagine she would not have kicked off. The fact the child is asleep or drugged being carried away would mean the abductor had to sedate and quieten her down.....

It seems Tanner saw a lot in a second of vision....Gerry and Jez, then someone just walking along in the light of dusk ..... perhaps carrying something.

Its a known fact on recall that your brain can simulate what you saw to the facts.

So the fact is.....figure walking along in full view of anyone possibly carrying something, could have longish hair...

Child goes missing. Was told the child was wearing pink pyjamas.

Mysterious person then in the mind becomes abductor walking along with child in arms, wearing pink pyjamas.......

I know it can happen as I have a neurological disorder and my brain often lets me something that isnt there, or hides something that is lol. (true).

Its very easy to fit the facts.

However, from this sighting one has to then look at the logics of it.

How logical would it be that this was the abductor taking the child away....through Praia De Luz in full view of everyone, a few minutes after father had checked the children.

The logical thing for an abductor to do would be to contain the child, and take the child away going the other way to the old road and Lagos.....surely.

No this is sighting is not logical....

I do believe she saw someone/male/female but the rest of the scenario has been filled in by her brain taking over...

IMHO.

ALSO one has to think, if she saw bare feet and dangly legs how did she see PINK pyjamas?

IF you carry a child that way the pyjamas ALWAYS ride upto the knees. Even when I am in bed, my PJ bottoms end up at my knees as I sleep with my knees bent.

I expect anyway tomorrow we will be told it was a burglary gone wrong.

We discussed this scenario 5 years ago, when we found the apartment above had been burgled....but decided it wouldnt work.....for lots of reasons.
 
Back to the Smiths again..

Why do you continue to ignore that Martin Smith (and supposedly his wife) were 60-80% sure it was Gerry. Why is it that despite the fact that even they themselves are not sure that it was Gerry you have ignored this and claim that it was definitely Gerry?

Why do you also ignore that the other 2 members of the Smith group did not think that it was Gerry.

You realise that Martin Smith's own admission that he could not say 100% that it was Gerry McCann would not make it into court because it is not reliable evidence.

Why is this still being brought up?

<modsnip>[/QUOTE

BBM-probably because it really isn't any different than Tanner's sighting of a man carrying a "bundle", that turned into an abductor carrying Maddie, after the McCanns saying she was snatched-JT had no idea what she saw until then-at that point she suddenly recognized what she saw? Everyone in law enforcement (and even some "regular people") know that eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. That is simply a fact.

Because that leaves 20-40% that they are wrong. 1% is all it takes for me. But then, hubby was LE.
 
I believe jane. I don't believe the smiths. I believe that saying someone walked like someone else is not an identification.




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I believe jane. I don't believe the smiths. I believe that saying someone walked like someone else is not an identification.




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I agree that saying someone walked like someone else is not an identification but then again, saying that you saw legs that belonged to someone who was a child like Madeleine is a child is not identification either.

She could be right and it was Madeleine but it's a guess based on inferences, not an identification.
 
I believe Tanner saw someone carrying Madeleine away too.

The same person the Smiths saw.

The person they identified as Gerry McCann.

:sick:

The only people who are entitled to outrage at this case or the discussion of it are *IMO* the PJ, specifically one Goncalo Amaral, also Robert Murat and his mother who were literally examined from the inside out thanks to Tanner and her false ID.

:cow:

Well its a turn up for the books now as they are taking the Smiths sighting SERIOUSLY, they are using an E fit the same as the one they put out this morning saying this person was seen carrying a blonde child at 10pm by a FAMILY (the only family would be the Smiths), does this mean they are discrediting the sighting by Tanner I wondere.
 
Well its a turn up for the books now as they are taking the Smiths sighting SERIOUSLY, they are using an E fit the same as the one they put out this morning saying this person was seen carrying a blonde child at 10pm by a FAMILY (the only family would be the Smiths), does this mean they are discrediting the sighting by Tanner I wondere.
Well, I hope they do. Maddy needs justice and her parents are not the ones who fight for it.
 
I believe jane. I don't believe the smiths. I believe that saying someone walked like someone else is not an identification.




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I read once that a person's gait is actually quite specific. I have a question about the people supposedly seen carrying a child that night : has anyone ever come forward and said that they were the person in question, carrying their own child home, or wherever ? One would think, in a case this well known that this would be the case,if in fact the child in question was not MM. jmo moo
 
Now we have actual proof that the Tapas timeline is WRONG, and that the Smiths saw someone who they thought was Gerry.

Surprise surprise.

None of this is news to me, the only "news" is that it's all been put together on Crimewatch.

:D
 
I read once that a person's gait is actually quite specific. I have a question about the people supposedly seen carrying a child that night : has anyone ever come forward and said that they were the person in question, carrying their own child home, or wherever ? One would think, in a case this well known that this would be the case,if in fact the child in question was not MM. jmo moo

It is specific and very hard to imitate.

Just ask any character actor...some of them go to extremes to get their physicality right, if they are portraying a real person.

Naomi Watts springs to mind most recently - she spent many months studying Diana and her physicality before the filming started...months and months practising with people who knew the real version, so she could get her physicality right - her walk, her stance, her head cocking that cute way she had.

The Smiths stared at photo after photo, and recognised none of them...they recognised Gerry when they saw a film clip of him carrying one of the twins. They identified his physicality.

Oh and btw that second efit is one Gerald McCann....IMO.

:cow:
 
Then why is the man being described as a German speaker?

This is all very confusing, although hopefully the Crimewatch programme will make things clearer.
 
Then why is the man being described as a German speaker?

This is all very confusing, although hopefully the Crimewatch programme will make things clearer.

AFAIK the "German speaking" comes from the tabloids, not from the police.

I haven't watched the Crimewatch show yet, that's just what I've read.

We have to remember the PR and spin that the McCanns have always orchestrated - Clarence is probably the source of the German speaking. They spin everything.

I'll go watch now...:offtobed:


ETA: Gerry lived and worked in Amsterdam for a year. Dutch sounds similar to German to the untrained ear.
 
I read once that a person's gait is actually quite specific. I have a question about the people supposedly seen carrying a child that night : has anyone ever come forward and said that they were the person in question, carrying their own child home, or wherever ? One would think, in a case this well known that this would be the case,if in fact the child in question was not MM. jmo moo

It's actually not. Of all the people in the world you think only one person walks a specific way? Nah.

People can walk alike. Lookalike for different angles. It is no positive ID.


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It's actually not. Of all the people in the world you think only one person walks a specific way? Nah.

People can walk alike. Lookalike for different angles. It is no positive ID.


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Do you still believe Jane Tanner saw Madeleine being carried away? More than the Smiths?
 
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