Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

[Deleted member 39678]

How many parents of Britains who go missing are having regular telephone contact with the prime minister of the UK within days, how many are able to appoint Clarence Mitchell, former BBC Royal correspondent and former Central Government Director of Media Monitoting, as their media spokesman? This case stinks to up high in the British government!

Are you saying that the British government has done something to coverup a crime in this case? If so what have they done and why would they do it?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

How many parents of Britains who go missing are having regular telephone contact with the prime minister of the UK within days, how many are able to appoint Clarence Mitchell, former BBC Royal correspondent and former Central Government Director of Media Monitoting, as their media spokesman? This case stinks to up high in the British government!

What does this matter? I don't know what it matters that the parents of a missing child called and had contact with their government over an INTERNATIONAL issue asking for help. I am pretty sure that would be the case from any parent whose child was missing. I wonder how many times Beth Twitty called the State dept when Natalee went missing??

 

[Gem2626]

I never sent them a dime.



But they did admit a while ago now that

1. they themselves never searched, at all and
2. they had ceased paying anyone else to search either

Which in turn brings into question if the Fund is now fraudulent, as it's not being used as intended by good folks who did donate.

:dunno:

No Kate said she didn't search straight away. Gerry was seen searching by independent sources.

 

[blefuscu]

What does this matter? I don't know what it matters that the parents of a missing child called and had contact with their government over an INTERNATIONAL issue asking for help. I am pretty sure that would be the case from any parent whose child was missing. I wonder how many times Beth Twitty called the State dept when Natalee went missing??

No they aren't. They are in touch with government officers, consulate members. Not the Prime Minister themselves! That's like a US citizen having regular telephone contact direct with your president! It's NOT normal procedure AT ALL! That's why it sets off the hinky meter!

 

[SapphireSteel]

No Kate said she didn't search straight away. Gerry was seen searching by independent sources.

Gerry "searched" for 10 minutes, maybe 15.

The rest of his time was spent on the phone, back to the UK, broadcasting loudly that his daughter had been "abducted" and that LE were not doing as he wanted.

The other part of his time was spent organising an unrequested "timeline" with his buddies, vandalising his missing daughter's colouring book to do so.

 

[Gem2626]

Gerry "searched" for 10 minutes, maybe 15.

The rest of his time was spent on the phone, back to the UK, broadcasting loudly that his daughter had been "abducted" and that LE were not doing as he wanted.

The other part of his time was spent organising an unrequested "timeline" with his buddies, vandalising his missing daughter's colouring book to do so.

Urrrrrrrr the police would have wanted information all they were doing was trying to work out who did what when and when something could have happened. Why is that so weird. I'd do exactly the same.

"and, I recall 'baby face' or his colleague saying 'No media', and, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying 'That's what we want"

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077595/Rebuttal of "Fact" 8

Gerry searching.... well you provided no link to support your claim and I can't be bothered to go through all the statements i've read that say they saw him searching right now.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Urrrrrrrr the police would have wanted information all they were doing was trying to work out who did what when and when something could have happened. Why is that so weird. I'd do exactly the same.

"and, I recall 'baby face' or his colleague saying 'No media', and, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying 'That's what we want"

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077595/Rebuttal of "Fact" 8

Gerry searching.... well you provided no link to support your claim and I can't be bothered to go through all the statements i've read that say they saw him searching right now.

Let's examine why they weren't ever able to figure out "who did what when".

The reason is, the statements contradicted themselves, and every one refused to cooperate any further.

Kate personally flatly refused to answer 98 questions. It's on record.

The PJ wanted a reconstruction - again, refused by McCann lawyers.

 

[Gem2626]

Let's examine why they weren't ever able to figure out "who did what when".

The reason is, the statements contradicted themselves, and every one refused to cooperate any further.

Kate personally flatly refused to answer 98 questions. It's on record.

The PJ wanted a reconstruction - again, refused by McCann lawyers.

So 9 different people weren't able to get a time line completely right. They were on holiday relaxing and didn't think they would have to remember everything they were doing that day in detail. If someone asked me what times I did things today and also asked my friend who I spent the day with the same. I guarantee that we would have different times for things we did and that's just two of us.

Kate answered lots of questions until she realised that she noticed a change in tone from the pj's. I'd shut up too. The reconstruction was refused by Jeremy wilkins before it was by anyone else.

 

[blefuscu]

And yet they could make a great timeline by vandalising Madeleine's colouring in book?

They were a bunch of selfish, arrogant parents more concerned with drinking and having a good time than their own small children.

 

[SapphireSteel]

And yet they could make a great timeline by vandalising Madeleine's colouring in book?

They were a bunch of selfish, arrogant parents more concerned with drinking and having a good time than their own small children.

Twice - don't forget the practise timeline.

Shades of the Ramsey - it's their version of the ransom note.

If my daughter was missing, I'd be running around screaming her name, looking in dumpsters, banging on doors, checking under bushes, scouring the beach. I wouldn't be defacing one of her colouring books so I could invent a "timeline" which had not even been asked for.

For all they knew, theoretically, Madeleine could be discovered any minute curled up in a cupboard somewhere.

So why a timeline? What did it matter at that point? She'd only been gone for an hour and a half at the time of writing it..........!!!!!

:banghead:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Twice - don't forget the practise timeline.

Shades of the Ramsey - it's their version of the ransom note.

If my daughter was missing, I'd be running around screaming her name, looking in dumpsters, banging on doors, checking under bushes, scouring the beach. I wouldn't be defacing one of her colouring books so I could invent a "timeline" which had not even been asked for.

For all they knew, theoretically, Madeleine could be discovered any minute curled up in a cupboard somewhere.

So why a timeline? What did it matter at that point? She'd only been gone for an hour and a half at the time of writing it..........!!!!!

:banghead:

It shows they were deflecting and attempting to distance themselves from what they had done. IMO again, more concerned about covering their butts and trying to get stories straight.


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[Tulessa]

What does this matter? I don't know what it matters that the parents of a missing child called and had contact with their government over an INTERNATIONAL issue asking for help. I am pretty sure that would be the case from any parent whose child was missing. I wonder how many times Beth Twitty called the State dept when Natalee went missing??

A parent sitting back and asking FOR NO HELP AT ALL, would rise my hinky meter. Here, not so much.......

 

[Tulessa]

And yet they could make a great timeline by vandalising Madeleine's colouring in book?

They were a bunch of selfish, arrogant parents more concerned with drinking and having a good time than their own small children.

I can't wait for these parents to be cleared.

 

[Gem2626]

I can't wait for these parents to be cleared.

The thing is they have been cleared. The police have all the evidence and they are looking for an abductor. Even if Madeleine was found tomorrow and an abductor arrested very few would turn around admit that they were wrong about the McCanns or apologise for all the lies spread about them. They would simply say 'well they may not have killed her but they did leave her alone'.

 

[blefuscu]

The thing is they have been cleared. The police have all the evidence and they are looking for an abductor. Even if Madeleine was found tomorrow and an abductor arrested very few would turn around admit that they were wrong about the McCanns or apologise for all the lies spread about them. They would simply say 'well they may not have killed her but they did leave her alone'.

No they haven't been cleared! I think you are mixing your legal knowledge up a bit.

 

[Gem2626]

Twice - don't forget the practise timeline.

Shades of the Ramsey - it's their version of the ransom note.

If my daughter was missing, I'd be running around screaming her name, looking in dumpsters, banging on doors, checking under bushes, scouring the beach. I wouldn't be defacing one of her colouring books so I could invent a "timeline" which had not even been asked for.

For all they knew, theoretically, Madeleine could be discovered any minute curled up in a cupboard somewhere.

So why a timeline? What did it matter at that point? She'd only been gone for an hour and a half at the time of writing it..........!!!!!

:banghead:

Practice timeline? Russel says himself that he wrote it, it was illegible to other people and that not all 9 of them were together at once when it was written. He would have been estimating times and then when others were coming in he was adding/deleting info he had wrong. If they were trying to get their stories straight and had something to hide why would they do this right in front of the GNR and hand over both copies of the timeline?


Russel O'Brien's statement

"this is a draft attempt, they’re both in my handwriting, this is a draft attempt, err and then I think I’m transcribing in a slightly more a neater writing, hoping that it’s more legible for other people to read as well"

"I think what, what essentially I’m doing, is I’m, I’ve written something here fairly quickly for myself and then I’ve looked at it and thought it’s, it’s not actually gonna be useful to hand to anyone to read other than me"

"I’m not sure, I don’t know whether this was, this was me trying to get the sort of start and the end together and err and then, and then asked, asked for more, you know more detail of what people were doing. From a personal point of view I suppose once, once I was in the, in the erm room at nine thirty, I wasn’t, I wasn’t privy to any of the other direct information, so whether this is just sort of me thinking that I’ll need to fill this in later, but you know it’s just a, this is incomplete, this sentence is incomplete and I think at some stage whilst I was writing this, the PJ were very keen to talk to Gerry then I left and I think then Jane came in, so I think this is something that was actually being written at about a point where I left it with the Police and then Jane was, Jane and Gerry were talking to the PJ”

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

"I recall 'baby face' or his colleague saying 'No media', and, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying 'That's what we want"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

The police wanted a timeline. Why is is hard to believe that they weren't intelligent enough to know that a timeline was important?

The McCanns felt straight away Madeleine had been abducted so trying to work out what happened when isn't a strange thing to do.

 

[Gem2626]

No they haven't been cleared! I think you are mixing your legal knowledge up a bit.

In what way?

They have were cleared of arguido status 5 years ago.

 

[blefuscu]

In what way?

They have were cleared of arguido status 5 years ago.

I KNEW you were going to say that!

Arguido status confers rights on people. It does not change their legal status apart from that. Therefore the removal of Arguido status doesn't "clear" a person.

The McCann's Arguido status was lifted by the Portuguese prosecutor as a pre-requisite of him shelving the case

In so doing, he did not 'clear' the McCanns...he could not 'clear' the McCanns because it was, quite simply, not within his remit to do

The Prosecutor is not a Judge, and he is unable to 'clear' anyone!

 

[Gem2626]

I KNEW you were going to say that!

Arguido status confers rights on people. It does not change their legal status apart from that. Therefore the removal of Arguido status doesn't "clear" a person.

The McCann's Arguido status was lifted by the Portuguese prosecutor as a pre-requisite of him shelving the case

In so doing, he did not 'clear' the McCanns...he could not 'clear' the McCanns because it was, quite simply, not within his remit to do

The Prosecutor is not a Judge, and he is unable to 'clear' anyone!

No but they were suspects and now they are no longer suspects. A burglary could happen down the street I would not be cleared of it because I was never a suspect.

 

[blefuscu]

No but they were suspects and now they are no longer suspects. A burglary could happen down the street I would not be cleared of it because I was never a suspect.

Arguido doesn't mean suspect! It means person of interest. I've already explained why they aren't cleared.