Why is Adam Baker not in jail?

[katydid23]

LE has said they dont believe she had help in killing Zahra. I have to wonder if they had arrested Joe Blow along with her if people would still be trying to hang AB??? If after this amount of time and energy that LE has put into finding the truth do you honestly think if they thought he had hurt one hair on Zahras head he wouldnt have been charged? I see the looks in the eyes of all the LE personel when they have spoke of this case. It touched them deep down in the core of thier being. They are not going to let a guilty person walk on this. I think AB was abused by EB just as her other husbands were. JMO

This little girl was HIS daughter. He took her across the globe, away from her grandmother, away from her mother, to live with HIM. He had the responsibility to love and care for her. She had major health issues and needed his attention and concern. I will not accept that he 'did not know' what was going on. It was his responsibility to KNOW.

How does the father of a 10 yr old deaf and disabled cancer survivor NOT look at nor speak with nor check in with his own daughter for weeks at a time???????????

ETA= my DH and I used to work different shifts when our kids were young. When he came home late at night he would ask how are the kids. I would answer, fine, they are asleep. And he, being a NORMAL caring Dad would still usually stick his head in their rooms. He would turn off a light or a tv/video game, or adjust blankets. But he took responsibility as a parent to check that his kids were breathing and dreaming and snug in their beds.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

This makes sense, but from what we've heard, AB had a pretty short temper himself. I do wonder if abuse was going on both ways, and EB threatened AB with going to jail for abusing her and Zahra. She had manipulated the system before, so I can see where he might be frightened to have to go an American jail, or worse, because she reports him, be deported back to Australia.

I just don't think this was one sided abuse and poor AB just didn't know a thing or was too abused to do anything about it. I think AB and EB each have their dark secrets, probably abused each other and Zahra, and it was more about covering up those secrets and not getting into trouble than Zahra's health and welfare. I do think, in the end, EB decided that Zahra had to go. Who knows, maybe AB was against that and EB went behind his back and did it anyway, figuring she could lie and say Zahra was missing ala Casey Anthony. Too bad that blew up in her face.

While I don't know what AB's role was, I do not think he was just this innocent, unlucky, naive guy that had a horrible thing happen to him. I think he's in this pretty deep with allowing the abuse to go on, and possibly abusing Zahra and EB himself. EB, I believe, did the ultimate act of killing and dismembering her, but I just feel AB has some kind of role here. I think he knows more than he's willing to say, and being jubilant about EB being charged tells me he thinks he's getting away scot free already. I don't like that at all.

BBM

It's interesting to note his comments in the "vindictation interview", where the reporter asks him about all the things he must be feeling. He says something about isolation, then begins to say something about being worried about charges, catches himself, and then slips into some nonsensical gibberish about things that were said, and not knowing if any charges would be brought against anyone. Call me crazy, but I honestly believe he started to say HE was worried about being charged, realized his mistake, tried to switch gears, but did so in such a clumsy way that it was impossible to tell exactly what he was saying.

(My computer is on last legs, so I can't look for link to that video. Sorry, guys. Maybe someone has a transcript?)

 

[Mountain_Kat]

AB's comments from WBTV interview:

Steve: do you think then, what have you been going through the last couple of months?
Adam: umm, you name it, every emotion you can think of. Umm, isolation, wondering whether they were going to actually charge...after some statements that were made out...with uh, if any one gets charged for this, that made me think maybe they didn’t have any proof at all.

(HUH?)

 

[westsidefox64]

BBM

It's interesting to note his comments in the "vindictation interview", where the reporter asks him about all the things he must be feeling. He says something about isolation, then begins to say something about being worried about charges, catches himself, and then slips into some nonsensical gibberish about things that were said, and not knowing if any charges would be brought against anyone. Call me crazy, but I honestly believe he started to say HE was worried about being charged, realized his mistake, tried to switch gears, but did so in such a clumsy way that it was impossible to tell exactly what he was saying.

(My computer is on last legs, so I can't look for link to that video. Sorry, guys. Maybe someone has a transcript?)

I would love to see a transcript of this myself.

If I was in his position of knowing I didnt intentionally do any thing to hurt my child and she came up murdered Id be scared they would find some little thing to charge me too. Seems like a pretty human response to me. Especially if hes reading online and sees that even being cleared by LE doesnt change peoples minds on his guilt. JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I posted the video somewhere this morning. Maybe in the Adam Baker timeline? Stupid computer is really limiting my ability to get around today.

Anyway, I think the subject of AB's comments in the WBTV interview are probably better suited for another discussion, since it doesn't really pertain to this topic. Sorry, mods.

 

[NoeticSoul]

AB is not deaf, dumb, bind, or helpless.

IMO EB and AB abused each other. And between the bad checks, the gaudy tatts, the horrific online role-playing, the drugs, and the trying to run other human beings off the road (God forbid Zahra was in the car at the time) I don't see WHERE AB was caring for, medically tending to, educating, and/or protecting Zahra in any way, shape or form.

We are now to believe that for at least TWO WEEKS, AB only "checked in" on his daughter after work, and always saw her there. Or a "lump" there.. as he now explains it. Where was this "lump" that he checked on, when the bed was gone for several days before being replaced? Can't have a lump in the bed without a bed to have a lump in. And during TWO full weekends, when AB WAS home... Zahra never had a meal with the family, never came out of her room, never had to go to the bathroom, never asked a question or went outside to play? AB never called and spoke with Zahra on the phone (since, according to him, he hadn't personally seen her) ONCE in two weeks? That itself is neglect and abuse.

Not buying any of it. He knew plenty. And he knew it for a long while. And he CHOSE to do nothing.

No way he was "fooled".

all moo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ Couldn't agree more. He was involved in the cover up - no way he didn't know what happened. And let's not forget his conflicting stories about when he last saw Zahra. The two weeks / lump on the bed scenario is just what it appears to be. A lame lie.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Add to that the fact that he now claims that EB was very abusive to him. Yet, he has no problem leaving his child alone with this woman...from sun-up until late into the night? Even after the DSS visits? Even after the black eye incident? Doesn't feel the need to check on why his daughter is bedridden for days or maybe even weeks? Never thinks to physically check a bedridden cancer survivor? Maybe have her looked at by a doctor? Never even bothers to check on this child after the arson and ransom note the morning of Oct.9 ?! No reason at all to be concerned about anything at all where his 10 year old handicapped daughter and abusive wife were concerned?

Okiedokie.

 

[TrixieBelden]

LE has said they dont believe she had help in killing Zahra. I have to wonder if they had arrested Joe Blow along with her if people would still be trying to hang AB??? If after this amount of time and energy that LE has put into finding the truth do you honestly think if they thought he had hurt one hair on Zahras head he wouldnt have been charged? I see the looks in the eyes of all the LE personel when they have spoke of this case. It touched them deep down in the core of thier being. They are not going to let a guilty person walk on this. I think AB was abused by EB just as her other husbands were. JMO

IMO-there will be charges against AB...I imagine that LE has observed every breath that AB has taken since all this began...there may be so much info that none of the public has access to yet...I'm still waiting and I do believe AB's turn will come to face charges. :twocents:

 

[believe09]

Yes, I think he knew. My short answer.

 

[Flakes]

Every time I've seen AB in an interview or footage I've been struck by his lack of emotion, his monotone voice, his lack of animation. These are characteristics that many people utilise in their analysis of him as a guilty party. I can see why they come to that conclusion. I have looked at that possibility; but I have also looked for other alternatives (which have not been popular). I considered the following as possible alternative reasons for this demeanour:
– he may be suffering PTSD (which can apply equally to either innocent or guilty party, though more likely to an innocent one)
– he may be drugged (sedated)
– he may be prone to a monotone voice (as many Australians are)
– he may like many Australian males be very reserved with his displays of emotion in public (or even in private).

There are many other possibilities, these are just some that I have considered. So I looked into these things, to try and understand their implications. Some of these I have posted in other threads.

I have to say I see a very similar potential scenario to what is stated by free2ride above. I have commented before that people suffering from abuse can take months and often years and decades to admit to the abuse they have experienced. They an even go through psychology sessions and not admit it. Not even to themselves. It can lead to PTSD.

I think AB saw stereotypical roles for women and men. He went out to work (long weekday hours and also weekends we are told), while the child was cared for by the woman, the care-giver. This was his mother when he lived in Australia, and Elisa when he "married" her. We know Zahra was exited about having a "mother" from what we have been told by others, and he would have assumed that his wife would care appropriately for his child if that was the impression both the wife and child gave him. This way he could just keep on being "the provider" in the male stereotypical role he had.

For a man who views gender roles in that way (assuming he does), success as a person means bringing in the $. It would also be a very hard thing to admit that he is abused by the wife. I'm not sure if he had admitted this in early LE interviews, or if this is a new revelation since EB's demise yesterday. I was pretty stunned by his sudden admission. Though I guess he is now aware of the long trail of abused men that have been left in EB's wake.

Naive? I have to think very much so. How else would he have bought the notion that AY was his BIL? And many other things that come to mind.

Regarding the lump in the bed that he would see in the evenings when he'd get home from work, he has indicated that there is more information that confirms he definitely saw Zahra alive and well, and that there is no way she was so sick that she died. But these comments have been moderated (by himself) as he says that owing to the LE he cannot discuss these things. I have a hunch that this is critical material that will come out in the court case. The announcement that TOD was around the 24th may be something to pressure EB. How can we know?

Bottom line is we won't know the truth until it is brought out in court. And even then we'll only know what is stated. I suspect AB will be revealing that information at that time. If not, then his deception will come back to haunt him in the mind of the public.

 

[panthera]

Yes, I think he knew. My short answer.

I also believe he had to know not only the abuse, but the murder as well. And if he could accept that and not do anything, then in my opinion he is as guilty as the person actually inflicting the abuse, and ultimately the murder. MOO

 

[matou]

Adam Baker told WBTV that his wife covered up the alleged abuse. He said she tricked him into thinking Zahra was just asleep in her room when in fact the girl was already dead.

"With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home till late," he said. "From what I could tell, she was in bed, there was something in bed."

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/22/zahra-bakers-dad-marrying-elisa-was-biggest-mistake-of-my-lif/

 

[panthera]

Adam Baker told WBTV that his wife covered up the alleged abuse. He said she tricked him into thinking Zahra was just asleep in her room when in fact the girl was already dead.

"With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home till late," he said. "From what I could tell, she was in bed, there was something in bed."

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/22/zahra-bakers-dad-marrying-elisa-was-biggest-mistake-of-my-lif/

For almost two weeks he didn't even care to go into her room to say good night to her? For almost two weeks it was OK with him that he didn't actually see her? Did he work every single day for almost two weeks? What about the morning of the fire? He was home then! :banghead: MOO

 

[newone]

BBM

It's interesting to note his comments in the "vindictation interview", where the reporter asks him about all the things he must be feeling. He says something about isolation, then begins to say something about being worried about charges, catches himself, and then slips into some nonsensical gibberish about things that were said, and not knowing if any charges would be brought against anyone. Call me crazy, but I honestly believe he started to say HE was worried about being charged, realized his mistake, tried to switch gears, but did so in such a clumsy way that it was impossible to tell exactly what he was saying.

(My computer is on last legs, so I can't look for link to that video. Sorry, guys. Maybe someone has a transcript?)

bbm
Could it be that he's in a lot of trouble for reasons other than his daughter's death? BBM "charges'' in this case could possibly be the outstanding matters regarding his 'overstay' in the USA and/or the fraud charges re worthless checks and the charges re running people off the road....."Worry" is about his own tail being caught on so many other charges as well.....

 

[matou]

For almost two weeks he didn't even care to go into her room to say good night to her? For almost two weeks it was OK with him that he didn't actually see her? Did he work every single day for almost two weeks? What about the morning of the fire? He was home then! :banghead: MOO

ITA. If my child had cancer and she stayed in bed for 2 weeks, I would have checked on her.

 

[vjlaw]

For almost two weeks he didn't even care to go into her room to say good night to her? For almost two weeks it was OK with him that he didn't actually see her? Did he work every single day for almost two weeks? What about the morning of the fire? He was home then! :banghead: MOO

And when did he start this job where he claims to work so many hours and did the abuse of Zahra start before or after he started this job? A lot of people work a lot of hours and they go in and at least touch their child in bed.

 

[panthera]

ITA. If my child had cancer and she stayed in bed for 2 weeks, I would have checked on her.

Exactly. It isn't normal for any child to be in bed every early morning or late night, let alone a child who had battled cancer and could be suffering a relapse. He's admitting his own lack of compassion or fatherly instinct by not having gone into the room, given her a hug or a good night kiss. And back to the morning of the fire he was home, and not going into the room to make sure she was alright is totally inexcusable, imo. :maddening: MOO

 

[Jacie Estes]

Adam Baker told WBTV that his wife covered up the alleged abuse. He said she tricked him into thinking Zahra was just asleep in her room when in fact the girl was already dead.

"With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home till late," he said. "From what I could tell, she was in bed, there was something in bed."

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/22/zahra-bakers-dad-marrying-elisa-was-biggest-mistake-of-my-lif/

BBM This bothers me. Why did he use the term something rather than someone? He is talking about his daughter.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Yes, I think he knew. My short answer.

Me too.

If he didn't know, I wonder why he was driving around with a sign on his truck that claimed EB *WAS* abusive to Zahra?

IF.. he never noticed any abuse, that is.

Uh huh.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010 ... ar-505700/

"A missing child poster was taped to the truck’s rear window. The poster is identical to others posted around Hickory and gives Zahra’s physical description. It states, “Zahra has been abused daily" by her mother; who is now in jail and is a suspect in her disappearance.”

link & snip via lauriej

:banghead: